Biathlon

jwshooter

if we could be sure of the snow every year ,would it be great to run some Biathlons .
it would be a great test of ones capabilities.
also a serious way of keeping fit.

Sparks

At least one Irish ISSF shooter I know has tried it in Austria while on holidays and won a match beating quite a few locals (and I don't mean some kiddie's league either), so it's something we could definitely do... we just need the gulf stream to shift a few miles south so we can get more snow

Of course, given how well we're handling the current light dusting, we'd probably lose more than we'd gain...

jwshooter

interested to know who that is,

even one done on foot ,the courses are a loop of around 5k .but could be any format.
standard .22s or target guns. has any club ever tryed it ?

Sparks

WTSC ran a charity event a few years back using bikes instead of running and using air rifles, but tried it as a sport? None that I know of.

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

Of course, given how well we're handling the current light dusting, we'd probably lose more than we'd gain...

Spoken like a true city dweller :rolleyes:

Where I am, even four wheel drives need snow chains to get around safely, the temperature has not risen above 1 degree in over two weeks and there's snow on top of snow on top of inches of ice.

jwshooter

rrpc wrote: »

Spoken like a true city dweller :rolleyes:

Where I am, even four wheel drives need snow chains to get around safely, the temperature has not risen above 1 degree in over two weeks and there's snow on top of snow on top of inches of ice.

i dont even bother any more.
iv a new set of BF goodridges ATs on the disco other than that i would be stranded.
looking to sunday and monday im thinking of putting ropes on them.
im working in rathdrum ,well trying to . i get the full cholesterol in jacobs well the odd morning ,if your about.

Grizzly 45

Sorry it would be totally illegal under the current legislation as it is Dynamic sport shooting,[Movement ...IE skiing between targets],and it is derived totally fromPROVEN military and combat applications.The Finns and German armies used these kind of tactics for shooting Russians in the Finnish Winter war of 1939 and on the Eastern Front in WW2.

Wouldnt be running anymore of those charity shoots either using airpistols and bikes either.
After all thats the aytpical story used by the DOJ to shut down IPSC shooting here.

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Sorry it would be totally illegal under the current legislation as it is Dynamic sport shooting,[Movement ...IE skiing between targets],and it is derived totally fromPROVEN military and combat applications.The Finns and German armies used these kind of tactics for shooting Russians in the Finnish Winter war of 1939 and on the Eastern Front in WW2.

I think this was brought up here before and didn't qualify. In any case we don't need to be reducing our options where shooting sports are concerned, there are people paid to do that on our behalf :rolleyes:

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Sorry it would be totally illegal under the current legislation as it is Dynamic sport shooting,[Movement ...IE skiing between targets],and it is derived totally fromPROVEN military and combat applications.The Finns and German armies used these kind of tactics for shooting Russians in the Finnish Winter war of 1939 and on the Eastern Front in WW2.

Wouldnt be running anymore of those charity shoots either using airpistols and bikes either.
After all thats the aytpical story used by the DOJ to shut down IPSC shooting here.

no more than clay pigeon shooting as the firearm is unloaded between shooting stations

Grizzly 45

Irrespective of pendantic arguements wether the gun is loaded or not.{IPSC tried that as well and lost]and wether we are restricting ourselves.IT FITS THE CATEGORY OF "COMBAT SHOOTING"UNDER CURRENT IRISH LAW AND THEREFORE IS ILLEGAL.I knew this was going to come up one day,and those who decried IPSC are now going to be gored with the same arguement and legislation.Narrow vision can cause nasty accidents..
Clay shooting arguement doesnt wash and has been discredited as well as a justification,as there is hardly a "combat or dynamic or need for speed element in moving from one station to another.

jwshooter

running a Biatlon in ireland ,where in the legislation does it say its illegal ?.
firstly a single shot or 5 shot .22 target rifle is not restricted.

Sparks

It's be interesting to see how Grizzly's interpretation would affect Modern Pentathlon now that it's rules have changed to combine the running and shooting events...

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Sorry it would be totally illegal under the current legislation as it is Dynamic sport shooting,[Movement ...IE skiing between targets],and it is derived totally fromPROVEN military and combat applications.The Finns and German armies used these kind of tactics for shooting Russians in the Finnish Winter war of 1939 and on the Eastern Front in WW2.

Wouldnt be running anymore of those charity shoots either using airpistols and bikes either.
After all thats the aytpical story used by the DOJ to shut down IPSC shooting here.

ahern might worried in case anyone decided to invade poland or north africa :rolleyes: .
anyway does the fact that you are in a stationary position while shooting not circumvent the ipsc ruling ?

rrpc

rowa wrote: »

ahern might worried in case anyone decided to invade poland or north africa :rolleyes: .
anyway does the fact that you are in a stationary position while shooting not circumvent the ipsc ruling ?

It does, as well as the fact that the rifle is on your back in a harness between firing points and the targets are in one position as well as the firing point. You're not moving with a firearm in your hand ready to shoot which kind of removes any dynamic element.

You might as well be cycling to the range with the rifle on your back. Otherwise hunting would be dynamic shooting as well.

Which it's not (before the hunting forum descends on me en masse)

rrpc

jwshooter wrote: »

im working in rathdrum ,well trying to . i get the full cholesterol in jacobs well the odd morning ,if your about.

I'm always about, just can't get out and about at the moment

Send me a PM when you're next going to come in.

Grizzly 45

Well,what are you in position when you are actually firing the gun Rowa????You are hardly hopping on one leg!You have stopped!IPSC rules actually are very clear on this point as well.It is even marked out where you must be within "the box" when you shoot.
BTW I said Finland and Russia,not Africa or Poland .Didnt know the German Afrika Korps had a ski troop detachment:rolleyes:.Why shouldnt Aherne be worried?? After all they came up with a cock&bull story about IPSC being used for all sorts of undesireable training.
JW
You dont know much on Biathalon rifles then.They are actually FIVE shot straight pull bolt actions! Not single shot.
Sparks
Wether tri,pent or whatever athon.Going by strict interpertation of the LAW here.If it involves a firearm over 0.1joule and there if dynamic movement,runnig,jumping,hopping on one leg,flying a paraglider..whatever between the targets and firing the firearm.It is illegal.END OF!!
But knowing us here it will take another court case,etc to prove this right or wrong. Plenty of room in our DC for somthing like this.Mind you if yez is wrong it's seven years as a guest of the Nation with your new pal "Bubba ":eek:Leaders of the charge to the front please!!

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Well,what are you in position when you are actually firing the gun Rowa????You are hardly hopping on one leg!You have stopped!IPSC rules actually are very clear on this point as well.It is even marked out where you must be within "the box" when you shoot.
BTW I said Finland and Russia,not Africa or Poland .Didnt know the German Afrika Korps had a ski troop detachment:rolleyes:.Why shouldnt Aherne be worried?? After all they came up with a cock&bull story about IPSC being used for all sorts of undesireable training.
JW
You dont know much on Biathalon rifles then.They are actually FIVE shot straight pull bolt actions! Not single shot.
Sparks
Wether tri,pent or whatever athon.Going by strict interpertation of the LAW here.If it involves a firearm over 0.1joule and there if dynamic movement,runnig,jumping,hopping on one leg,flying a paraglider..whatever between the targets and firing the firearm.It is illegal.END OF!!
But knowing us here it will take another court case,etc to prove this right or wrong. Plenty of room in our DC for somthing like this.Mind you if yez is wrong it's seven years as a guest of the Nation with your new pal "Bubba ":eek:Leaders of the charge to the front please!!

i watched a video of ipsc shooting on the web and a lot of the shooting was done running , not always stopped , i watched one video in which the shooters sat in a type of small open car suspended about 10 ft in the air on a rail and shot as the car moved along by gravity .
anyway the whole ban is a shame and hopefully someday it might be overturned .

Grizzly 45

Some links please??? Most importantly...Are theyROI IRISH IPSC videos????
After all IPSA did insist that all the shoots were on the ground scenarios and no elaborate scenarios over 6ft in the airwere made with any of those of descriptions to prevent it being considerd "military/police training".Not to mind H&S and insurance.
IPSC scenarios are/were based on what the local governing council decided was appropriate.IPSA decided on those ground rules from the word go.So to suggest this was happening in Ireland under offical IPSA matches is VERY disingenious.

RR that holsterd/sling arguement didnt work either.This was apprently suggested as well,and refused by DOJ/Gardai.so this wont excuse biathalon either.And since when do you run ,or need to...while hunting with a firearm????pretty dangerous out in the open IMHO.

jwshooter

45 i did mention 5 shot rifles .

any way lads stick to the thread.

Grizzly 45

And single shot.And we are sticking to the thread.
Two words" Backseat Modding"

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Some links please??? Most importantly...Are theyROI IRISH IPSC videos????
After all IPSA did insist that all the shoots were on the ground scenarios and no elaborate scenarios over 6ft in the airwere made with any of those of descriptions to prevent it being considerd "military/police training".Not to mind H&S and insurance.
IPSC scenarios are/were based on what the local governing council decided was appropriate.IPSA decided on those ground rules from the word go.So to suggest this was happening in Ireland under offical IPSA matches is VERY disingenious.

RR that holsterd/sling arguement didnt work either.This was apprently suggested as well,and refused by DOJ/Gardai.so this wont excuse biathalon either.And since when do you run ,or need to...while hunting with a firearm????pretty dangerous out in the open IMHO.

no it wasn't in ireland , but i do know something similar was done in an ipsc shoot in wicklow , and also i thought practical shooting was a worldwide organisation ? all academic now anyway .

jwshooter

jwshooter wrote: »

running a Biatlon in ireland ,where in the legislation does it say its illegal ?.
firstly a single shot or 5 shot .22 target rifle is not restricted.

read it slow

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Some links please??? Most importantly...Are theyROI IRISH IPSC videos????
After all IPSA did insist that all the shoots were on the ground scenarios and no elaborate scenarios over 6ft in the airwere made with any of those of descriptions to prevent it being considerd "military/police training".Not to mind H&S and insurance.
IPSC scenarios are/were based on what the local governing council decided was appropriate.IPSA decided on those ground rules from the word go.So to suggest this was happening in Ireland under offical IPSA matches is VERY disingenious.

RR that holsterd/sling arguement didnt work either.This was apprently suggested as well,and refused by DOJ/Gardai.so this wont excuse biathalon either.And since when do you run ,or need to...while hunting with a firearm????pretty dangerous out in the open IMHO.

there would not be a day on the hill that i would not run with my rifle ,should i turn myself in.
would a olympic style fast walk be ok.
i started this thread about Biathlon not about IPSA pistol shooting .thank you

Grizzly 45

rowa wrote: »

no it wasn't in ireland , but i do know something similar was done in an ipsc shoot in wicklow , and also i thought practical shooting was a worldwide organisation ? all academic now anyway .

IPSC is aworldwide organisation all right.But thast doesnt mean that all national organisations follow the rule book on scenarios.That is left to the discretion of the national bodies.

JW. [from Sparks log:D]
.Section 29 is a ban on ‘practical or dynamic shooting’ which the bill defines as ‘any form of activity in which firearms are used to simulate combat or combat training’. This is basicly intended to ban IPSC and similar forms of shooting in Ireland; but you have to wonder who defines what ’simulated combat training’ is.

Would you try and read and comprehend JW That hunting is not a combat sport nor do you run while hunting...So the sling arguement is disengenious,or do you just want to argue the toss as usual???
Yes you started a thread on Biathalon,and I am trying to point out that under current law it is proably illegal as it fits the current law and prohibition on dynamic shooting.
If you are 100% CERTAIN it is legal put your gob where your money is..Organise a biathalon,invite the Gardai and DOJ down to it.If you are not arrested or prosecuted or without your FACs within three months of it.Good you were right and I was wrong.However are YOU WILLING to risk it,or do you want somone else to do all the workand take the risk.So you can support them by being right behind them holding their coat?????????

dCorbus

jw - great idea!

seriously though - and I know this may sound like a dumb question - and it's probably been answered here before somewhere: I understand that Section 29 of the misc. provisions act '09 bans "practical or dynamic shooting". The only definition I can find for the term is in the act itself:

“practical or dynamic shoot ing” means any form of activity in which firearms are used to simulate combat or combat training.”

My (non-legal) reading of this would mean that if the act of shooting does not simulate combat or combat training then by definition it can be neither practical nor dynamic shooting, as envisaged by the act?

Now, if one could prove that the activity, i.e. a biathalon, either run, walked, cycled, skied, or otherwise, was an activity that no legit military organisation (e.g. the PDF, RDF, and foreign Defence Forces) used for combat simulation and / or combat training, then there could be no reason to define such a sporting shooting biathalon-type activity as falling under the definition of "practical or dynamic shooting" (as defined by the Act).

This might be one path worth investigating?:D

But don't ask me how one would get the evidence from various defence forces to back this up!;)

dCorbus

oops, didn't see grizzly's earlier post - was still typing!:D

Sparks

Maybe we could rein in the vitriol just a tad? I know it's an emotive subject but yelling at each other isn't going to help much.

And Grizzly's got a point based on the letter of the law, but we've heard from various back channels that things like biathlon simply wouldn't be prosecuted under the act. But that's down to intent, not the legislation itself. Which is a stupid and unjust way to do things in my opinion, but that's nonetheless how it's being done.

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

RR that holsterd/sling arguement didnt work either.This was apprently suggested as well,and refused by DOJ/Gardai.so this wont excuse biathalon either.And since when do you run ,or need to...while hunting with a firearm????pretty dangerous out in the open IMHO.

There's a world of difference between a holstered pistol and a rifle in a harness on your back. For a start, I wouldn't like to try and remove said rifle whilst moving whereas it's very easy to do with a holster. In any event, this is an academic argument and would be best made when discussing the new biathlon course in the Wicklow mountains with the Range Inspector

After all if someone was considering doing it, that's the first place they should start.

It appears that jw has answered the point about hunting. Thanks jw

jwshooter

dCorbus wrote: »

oops, didn't see grizzly's earlier post - was still typing!:D

its on sky sports for the fast few days, i like the endurance end of it also the shooting .
its not that jelly belly target stuff .

you have to be fit

Grizzly 45

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quote=rrpc;63882625]There's a world of difference between a holstered pistol and a rifle in a harness on your back. For a start, I wouldn't like to try and remove said rifle whilst moving whereas it's very easy to do with a holster

Errrr RR... Does the expression "3point or ready slings" say anything to you???;)
[Remarkably like the Biathalon sling in some cases] ,but they are the slings used by the US military and other elite forces that allow you to get a rifle from slung to ready position as quick as unholstering a pistol.
Plus you can a rifle or shotgun into action pretty quickly using a bog std sling if you know how or have hunted on the Continent.It is academic wether holsterd or slung,if you know how a firearm can be unslungand unholsterd and fired within 0.5 seconds.Irrespective of this point.
it cannot be denied that;
Biathalon has a military/combat backround.
As is argued IPSC is as well.Be it that both are as revelant to modern warfare as muskets and horse calvery.
Both have a dynamic element running to the next target in IPSC,skiing or whatever in Bi athalon.
Also ,originally Biathalon was shot with full bore Military rifles.[Mostly Mausers K98s or Nagant rifles]Before it became an Olympic sport.
THAT is the problem here under Irish law the Combat element and the Dynamic element.As Sparks said it mightnt be prosecuted.But who wants to be the first to bell that moggie????

. In any event, this is an academic argument and would be best made when discussing the new biathlon course in the Wicklow mountains with the Range Inspector

Will his interpertation of the law be 100% safe???No bother if it is ...BUT I have my doubts that he will go against his paymasters if you are in the Dock.:eek:

Grizzly 45

its not that jelly belly target stuff

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Said the man who has shot many IPSC matches abroad or when they were legal here...How many did you compete in JW?????C'mon dont be shy....Tell us all about it.

Still it beats lard ass deer hunters.:rolleyes:

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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Errrr RR... Does the expression "3point or ready slings" say anything to you???;)
[Remarkably like the Biathalon sling in some cases] ,but they are the slings used by the US military and other elite forces that allow you to get a rifle from slung to ready position as quick as unholstering a pistol.

They're not a bit like them. I know the ones you're talking about, do you have experience of the biathlon harness? You need both hands to unsling it and it's very like a backpack made to hold the rifle dead centre on your back to avoid any affect on your balance as you ski. You have to be stopped and standing upright to unsling it.

it cannot be denied that;
Biathalon has a military/combat backround.

It also cannot be denied that: Archery, Javelin, Discus, Hammer throw, Marathon, Pentathlon, Equestrianism and even Dog showing (I jest not) have their roots in military or combat activities. This is not the point. Nobody is happy about the situation with IPSC shooting being banned, but it doesn't make it a valid argument that other forms of shooting are (or should be - and that's just wrong btw) banned as well.

THAT is the problem here under Irish law the Combat element and the Dynamic element.As Sparks said it mightnt be prosecuted.But who wants to be the first to bell that moggie????

Why would you want it so? Should you not be advancing arguments to the contrary rather than giving those who would use our words against us more ammunition for the fray?

Will his interpertation of the law be 100% safe???No bother if it is ...BUT I have my doubts that he will go against his paymasters if you are in the Dock.:eek:

I think that anyone who decided to stand up in court and pretend to a judge that the Olympic biathlon event was excluded by the firearms act would render said judge helpless with laughter. We're talking about probably the most popular televised shooting sport in the world here and quite probably one of the best pieces of PR shooting could have.

And as jw said, requires a level of fitness most of us here could only dream of.

jwshooter

call her a day on that then folks.

Grizzly 45

rrpc wrote: »

They're not a bit like them. I know the ones you're talking about, do you have experience of the biathlon harness? You need both hands to unsling it and it's very like a backpack made to hold the rifle dead centre on your back to avoid any affect on your balance as you ski. You have to be stopped and standing upright to unsling it.

Yes RR I have seen them,but it doesnt take from the fact that it
was orginally a militaristic art and one which was within the last 70 odd years.you could then argue the toss that our standard rifle sling was also a military item[which it was].But your original point was that slung rifles are not as quick to use as a holsterd pistol.i pointed out that with modern technology it is possible to do so.Or even using astandard sling you can "draw" and fire a longarm.

It also cannot be denied that: Archery, Javelin, Discus, Hammer throw, Marathon, Pentathlon, Equestrianism and even Dog showing (I jest not) have their roots in military or combat activities. This is not the point.

That is VERY MUCH the point,because how far back do you draw the line with many evey day items or sport arts being derived from military technology??Everything from Super glue[wound stitching] to the internet[rapid mil comms] to GPS.You could argue that a DBBL side by side is afighting combat shotgun as it was used so in the Wild West and frontier life.No one would rationally argue thata DBBL is a police/combat shotgun nowadays or that your above examples are valid military technology.

Nobody is happy about the situation with IPSC shooting being banned, but it doesn't make it a valid argument that other forms of shooting are (or should be - and that's just wrong btw) banned as well.

For the 1st part of your sentence,you could have fooled me ..There was enough animosity from the shooting bodies and individuals on that matter to write a book on.I'm not saying that Biathalon should be banned,I am simply stating the fact that under our current law of the land and interpertation it fits a category of a banned shooting activity,and that it would be just as hard to argue that it is different from IPSC,just because it is on the Telly and is an olympic sport.Nor would it be fair either to then let one" PC" dynamic shooting sport be practised here and an non olympic be banned.It would also give more fuel to the "olympic shooters eliteism" arguement crowd.
I mean we had enough of that nonsense with the olympic pistol list..

Why would you want it so? Should you not be advancing arguments to the contrary rather than giving those who would use our words against us more ammunition for the fray?

I wish I could...But the law is as it stands on this matter of stimulated combat shooting,and whatever way you cut this pie Biathalon and practical shooting fall into this category.You and I and everyone here knows that neither sports have the vaugest connection now to modern combat methods of police or military.BUT do the powers that be know this???More importantly,do you want to risk setting one up and being prosecuted by some over zealous Garda or DOJ type???
Despite Sparks assurance from wherever,I wouldnt trust one more word or statement from this Govt or their minions on firearms or their legislation anymore.So ,If anyone of those said to me it is daytime outside,I'd go check for myself.

I think that anyone who decided to stand up in court and pretend to a judge that the Olympic biathlon event was excluded by the firearms act would render said judge helpless with laughter. We're talking about probably the most popular televised shooting sport in the world here and quite probably one of the best pieces of PR shooting could have.

So is the PLAYBOY Channel :eek::D
No sane Irish court would accept that logic either ..Just cos somthing is pouplar and on the Telly doesnt mean you can have it because it is a sport..Especially on things that go Bang!
Look,FFS they banned a recognised sport that has over four million +/-supporters world wide.Even dictatorships around the World like Zimbabwae South Africa,China,etc allow this sport.Why do you think they would make an execption for this here??Or could they even.. as it fits their own laws criteria??

And as jw said, requires a level of fitness most of us here could only dream

No one is arguing that point.:)

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

.But your original point was that slung rifles are not as quick to use as a holsterd pistol.i pointed out that with modern technology it is possible to do so.Or even using astandard sling you can "draw" and fire a longarm.

I was talking about the Biathlon harness which is none of the above. This thread is about Biathlon, not rifle slings in their various forms.

That is VERY MUCH the point,because how far back do you draw the line with many evey day items or sport arts being derived from military technology??Everything from Super glue[wound stitching] to the internet[rapid mil comms] to GPS.You could argue that a DBBL side by side is afighting combat shotgun as it was used so in the Wild West and frontier life.No one would rationally argue thata DBBL is a police/combat shotgun nowadays or that your above examples are valid military technology.

That was your point, not mine. I was just pointing out that you can use that argument against many sporting activities and it doesn't mean it's a combat activity.

Nor would it be fair either to then let one" PC" dynamic shooting sport be practised here and an non olympic be banned.It would also give more fuel to the "olympic shooters eliteism" arguement crowd.
I mean we had enough of that nonsense with the olympic pistol list..

That's only if you believe that it fits the description in the firearms act and you're the only person here saying that. I pay no heed to the 'elitism' bullsh1t because that's all it is. Do you think for one moment that we would have any pistols in this country right now if there weren't Olympic Pistol events? Or for that matter would the UK authorities be issuing Section 5 licences other than for the same reason? But there's more than a whiff of cutting off noses to make everyone a flat face about that argument.

I wish I could...But the law is as it stands on this matter of stimulated combat shooting,and whatever way you cut this pie Biathalon and practical shooting fall into this category.

Only in your opinion and as I've pointed out before you're the only one making that argument. Point out to me anywhere reputable that defines Biathlon as practical or dynamic shooting or simulated combat or combat training. Just because you say it is, doesn't make it so.

And as jw said, I really don't think we should be having this discussion because it is straying into the territory of denigrating one or other shooting sport which neither of us should be indulging in. We've enough of that from outside the camp without participating in it ourselves.

Mr Flibble

rrpc wrote: »

Do you think for one moment that we would have any pistols in this country right now if there weren't Olympic Pistol events?

+1 on that. There are a lot of people going round stating the opposite, i.e. that if it weren't for the NTSA they'd still have their 9mm's, .45's & IPSC. They are sadly mistaken and unfairly placing blame where it doesn't belong.

Grizzly 45

That was your point, not mine. I was just pointing out that you can use that argument against many sporting activities and it doesn't mean it's a combat activit

Precisely.However it is seemingly very flexiable what can be defined as an "undesireable" combat activity in Ireland due to Govt paranoia about terrorism and criminality.Wasnt too long ago that the arguement was used for paintball that it could be used to train the IRA .Now it is a recognised "sport activity".However it could be banned just as easily because it uses firearms and is dynamic and stimulates combat.Dont belive for a moment RR that this shower in power wouldnt jump on paintball if there was an aul vote in it,or God forbid somone who was a paintball enthaustaist,went and shot somone with a real firearm.This almost happened last year in Germany post Winniden.

That's only if you believe that it fits the description in the firearms act and you're the only person here saying that.

Well, lets see what the powers that be say on it instead???

I pay no heed to the 'elitism' bullsh1t because that's all it is. Do you think for one moment that we would have any pistols in this country right now if there weren't Olympic Pistol events?

So then why try putting out the fire by adding gasoline to it???
And I doubt highly that any pistols would exist here at all wether olympic or not if it apprently hadnt been for Des Crofton burning the midnite oil to Min Ahernes office,and the IPSA closing down volantatily last year to prevent a jump or you will all be pushed off the cliff,the whole lot of ye olympic sports or not...scenario
Sorry I didnt see or hear many "olympic" pistol shooters or olympic anybodys supporting either Des or the IPSA when that was going on.Must have missed a meeting somwhere,but what exactly did the Olympic shooting body of Ireland do,to secure their piece of the pie????By that I mean what repersentations did they make??

Or for that matter would the UK authorities be issuing Section 5 licences other than for the same reason? But there's more than a whiff of cutting off noses to make everyone a flat face about that argument.

Er maybe the London Olympics in 2012 have somthing to do with this??:rolleyes::rolleyes:. More like a all animals are equal but some are more equal to others ,due to pouplarity contests.

Only in your opinion and as I've pointed out before you're the only one making that argument. Point out to me anywhere reputable that defines Biathlon as practical or dynamic shooting or simulated combat or combat training. Just because you say it is, doesn't make it so.

And just because YOU say it isnt doesnt make it legal or doable either..Neither of our opinions count for anything on this as we are neither in the DOJ ,the Gardai or Min Ahernes head.
FFS he banned one sport on one spurious ground because people were supposedly riding a bicycle around a range and then shooting targets with pistols.Whats the differnce between that and skiing 1000meters and then shooting a .22 rifle?Apart from the firearms involved.Do you see the simmilarity??
As I said,if anyone wants to run a match and see if the theory fits the practise.Go right ahead 1000% gain for us if we do and I tip my hat to you.
But if this goes pear shaped with the law,the consequences will be horriffic! And are YOU personally going to support those who are in trouble ?Or will we all be posting here playing blame game again,while Min Aherne gladly cuts another stone of flesh off the shooting body of Ireland??I've no problem with the sport,more power to those who participate.But I would think long and hard and prefably get in WRITING from the DOJor Min Aherne himself that this is a legal activity here and that no one will be prosecuted for organising or participating in it.[Then I would get a magnifying glass and read the contract again,just to make sure there is no very fine print you might miss.]
now,who is willing to risk it and go and do it??As I said those who lead the charge,step forward...

And as jw said, I really don't think we should be having this discussion because it is straying into the territory of one or other shooting sport which neither of us should be indulging in. We've enough of that from outside the camp without participating in it ourselves.

I dont see where he is getting that.We are comparing and discussing two ligit sports their simmilarities and wether they would be legal under our current oppressive firearms laws here in Ireland.You belive that one would be legal.I am stating that I dont belive under the current legislation it would be allowed as it fits the category that proscribed another sport,and that the Govt could not allow it to be established without violating the spirt of their own legislation. Where is that denigrating either sport??

jwshooter

just looking at the IBU world cup from oberhof, germany .

24,000 fans on the track. wow what positive publicity for shooting sports.

not to menton its live on euro sport