Car Derived Vans.

mamakevf

I have a 1982 Bedford Chevanne(english reg) and I'm going to get it registerd soon.
What I want to do is tax it privately and avoid NCT/DOE every year because basically it will not be doing any work(other than free advertising my company) and will only be used in good weather.
What I want to know is, can I pay the Commercial VRT(€50) and then tax it privately,or do I have to VRT it as a private car.

carchaeologist

mamakevf wrote: »

I have a 1982 Bedford Chevanne

Now thats a rarity,any pics?As for your question,im not sure,if you VRT it privately you will surely have to tax it the same and vice versa if you do it the other way around?

atlantean

AFAIK If it is to be a private vehicle then the full VRT must be paid Kev!

rugbyman

one solution is to leave it on the UK reg. it is not illegal to drive a temporarily imported commercial vehicle.

regards, Rugbyman

colm_mcm

The DOE isn't very tough, and you'd have to VRT and tax it privately on the cc based system - huge cost.

si_guru

You do know the NCT exemption is scrapped for cars that become vintage from this year?

mamakevf

si_guru wrote: »

You do know the NCT exemption is scrapped for cars that become vintage from this year?

Yeah I do know that, but this is a loophole that I'm trying to exploit where a car derived van does not have to undergo NCT/DOE if it is taxed as private and not commercial.
Already have a 94 Astra van taxed privately and does not have to be tested, it is an import, but I did not import it and do not know what way it was imported, ie, commercial or private vrt.
But I think now that it has to be imported as a normal car to get private tax.
Some pics.

si_guru

I would be interested to find out too as I have a 1980 Land Rover van I want to import... not sure whether to go for Comercial now... or do it as private in July (when it is 30)..

Love the Chevanne.. me and my bro had a p-reg Chevanne in 1985 (1st car and shagging palace).. white with rostyles and ground lights!

We painted the dash white and the headlining black - we were visionaries!

carchaeologist

Shes a beaut,what are the wheels?

mamakevf

This loophole only applies to car derived vans, this van is derived from the Chevette estate, other examples would be Fiesta vans( not couriers) Micra vans, Megane vans, Focus vans, you get the idea, so I think that your Landrover will not fall into this.

The wheels are Allycat Tornado's 13"

Bitten & Hisses

Couldn't the Land Rover could be derived from a passenger model?

hi5

carchaeologist wrote: »

Shes a beaut,what are the wheels?

they look a bit like capri 2.8i 7x13 pepperdots,no?

DanFindy

V cool van that

mamakevf

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Couldn't the Land Rover could be derived from a passenger model?

Yeah, but the NCT don't test 4x4 jeeps

mamakevf

hi5 wrote: »

they look a bit like capri 2.8i 7x13 pepperdots,no?

These are Allycat Tornado's very similar to Ford Pepperpots but these are 5.5j 4x100 pcd. Date stamp on the back is 1982

Bitten & Hisses

mamakevf wrote: »

Yeah, but the NCT don't test 4x4 jeeps

They test passenger 4x4's. I've seen plenty around with nct discs on the windscreen.

FiSe

mamakevf wrote: »

I have a 1982 Bedford Chevanne(english reg) and I'm going to get it registerd soon.
What I want to do is tax it privately and avoid NCT/DOE every year because basically it will not be doing any work(other than free advertising my company) and will only be used in good weather.
What I want to know is, can I pay the Commercial VRT(€50) and then tax it privately,or do I have to VRT it as a private car.

NCT vs DOE, or commercial vehicle on the private tax... I have Skoda Pickup which I had on private tax for a few years before I went commercial.

The problem with any commercial vehicle on private tax is that no NCT no DOE test centre will touch you, which means that you will not be able to get your van tested hence you will not be able to tax it nor insure it.
And to actually get an insurance is a story on its own. I've been told to feck off, probably, 8 times before I got mine sorted and, at the end, it wasn't for the vehicle I was driving anyway...

- NCT do not test vans and 'commercial' tax vehicles
- DOE can not be done on vehicle with 'private' tax
- insurance companies usually do not have type for commercial vehicle in the 'private' box. I had my pickup insured as Felicia Combi...
- Commercial tax and insurance is usually much less than private ones /paid around 600,- when private, 230,- as commercial and my commercial insurance is roughly 2/3 of the price I used to pay on a private insurance/
- You don't have to have a registered company to insure and tax your commercial vehicle
- DOE is every year...but...what exactly is the problem, apart from those 80odd quid, when the van will be in tip top condition every and any year?

Anyway good luck no matter what your decision will be

Max_Damage

My cousin had a Micra K10 van a few years back, and he had to do a DOE every 2 years, or whatever it was I remember.

mamakevf

Max_Damage wrote: »

My cousin had a Micra K10 van a few years back, and he had to do a DOE every 2 years, or whatever it was I remember.

Probably had it taxed as a commercial is why he had to test it. If it was taxed private then he would not have to have it tested as DOE do not test private vehicles and NCT do not test vans, this is the loophole that I'm getting at and is all above board and legal.

rrv8

If you VRT it then it will come under Cat B , car deriverd van at 13.3% of omsp , wont get it through as a commercial at €50 as its unladen weight is too small , private car will be 36% omsp
Cat B is your best bet

VRT Category B
Examples of Category B vehicles include certain car derived vans and jeep derived vans.

The rate of VRT applicable to Category B vehicles, subject to a minimum VRT of €125, is 13.3% of the Open Market Selling Price (OMSP).

Tax it privately and it is NCT excempt , tax it commercially and it will need a DOE yearly

Insure it as a commercial carrying own goods with social domestic pleasure use

Job done

atlantean

rrv8 wrote: »

Tax it privately and it is NCT excempt ,

I can see that loop hole being shut very soon

101sean

Yes, they definitely NCT passenger 4x4s, always have problems with my 110 on suspension test :rolleyes:

Si_Guru, your LR will be vintage VRT and road tax from July anyway. If it's a van type it will still need a DOE, if a station wagon, an NCT.

The other dumb issue with non vintage commercials is that you won't get insurance cover if you are over 70. My father bought a plain van to convert to motorhome (he was 72 at the time) and couldn't get it insured until converted and re-registered.

_Conrad_

mamakevf wrote: »

These are Allycat Tornado's very similar to Ford Pepperpots but these are 5.5j 4x100 pcd. Date stamp on the back is 1982

i bet they get a few people scratchin their heads because they think they're ford wheels. And presumably a few stuffy old guys saying "you've ruined your car by putting ford wheels on it"

greeno

I took a 97 Corsa out about 5 years ago. Just converted it to a van 1st then paid vrt it was very cheap something like 150. Then after that I taxed it private and insured it commercially. No nct required and I never had any issues only got rid of there in March.

corktina

rugbyman wrote: »

one solution is to leave it on the UK reg. it is not illegal to drive a temporarily imported commercial vehicle.

regards, Rugbyman

it is if you are an Irish resident surely....

_Conrad_

corktina wrote: »

it is if you are an Irish resident surely....

exactly corky (by the way, AR here off EFi)

Temporarily does NOT mean what people do here which is driving around for months if not years, you're allowed to drive it for a little bit while waiting to get it re-registerd that's it.
There's been more and more of a crackdown on that of late, and it'll get stronger too what with more pressure being put on to raise money.