Irish National Party

veronica · 03-01-2010 10:44pm #1

Anybody any information on this party.Have they many members?

aurelius79 · 03-01-2010 11:02pm

veronica wrote: »

Anybody any information on this party.Have they many members?

Ha! Looks like an Irish BNP, or at least that's what google told me. Wonder how long they'll last. I've never really experienced that type of aggressive racism in this country, I don't think the Irish really think like that. Well, not anymore anyway. Ireland has accepted the immigrant population quite well if you ask me. Maybe a few grumbles here and there but nothing worth starting a national political party over.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 04-01-2010 12:33am

any links mate?

are they 26 or 32 county based?

Permabear · 04-01-2010 12:45am

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Het-Field · 04-01-2010 12:52am

No idea.

I know Coir's Longford Chairperson set up the "Irish Peoples Party" prior to Lisbon II. However, I assume that has fizzled out.

While some of their "Core Values" have some merit, one cannot ignore the heavy emphisis it places on immigrants on its front page. I think it may just be another right wing party.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 04-01-2010 12:55am

Policies very very very similar to BNP.

I reckon its Irish people who support BNP. Maybe Irish people who've lived in England and have since returned.

Would expect this type of a party to be non-socialist 32-county republicans to be honest, the lack of mention to Northern Ireland would suggest to me further they're BNP in green clothing

Bottle_of_Smoke · 04-01-2010 12:58am

aurelius79 wrote: »

Ha! Looks like an Irish BNP, or at least that's what google told me. Wonder how long they'll last. I've never really experienced that type of aggressive racism in this country, I don't think the Irish really think like that. Well, not anymore anyway. Ireland has accepted the immigrant population quite well if you ask me. Maybe a few grumbles here and there but nothing worth starting a national political party over.

Think aggressive racism's a bit over the top there:

policies wrote:

democracy - we seek to re-engage the public in the democratic process at the most local level
the politics of reason rather than the politics of emotion - we live in society of political correctness gone mad
Ireland controlling its own borders and being governed by its own laws
controlling immigration and the repatriation of all illegal immigrants
the enforcement of a provisional moratorium on asylum seekers pending the establishment of a proficient system to assess and validate claims of asylum
the protection and sustainable use of the environment - the problems of overpopulation and its consequences, both short- and long-term, need to be addressed
Ireland being as self-sufficient in energy and food as possible rather than relying on imports that may prove unreliable in times of crisis
the provision of a health service that is free at the point of delivery but is not open to abuse or mismanagement
providing value to the taxpayer - in government we will eliminate wastage of tax revenues
freedom of speech - it is only by hearing all points of view that problems can truly be solved
the rule of law - zero tolerance of crime and harsher penalties
making Ireland a secular state - it is our firm belief that religious doctrine has no place in the law making process
education - a return to traditional teaching methods, discipline in the classroom and a curriculum focused on enterprise, science and technology
equal opportunity, but we totally reject the concepts of positive discrimination and social engineering
ending the myth of multiculturalism - Ireland's distinct culture and heritage are being eroded
encouraging self-sufficiency and making Ireland a meritocracy
ending the welfare state while providing a safety net for those less able to look after themselves
encouraging and supporting the traditional family - we believe that children develop best in this environment

Nothing aggressively racist there. Perhaps "ending the myth of multiculturalism - Ireland's distinct culture and heritage are being eroded" is the type of thing a racist would say but not neccesarily racist in itself.

aurelius79 · 04-01-2010 1:06am

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Nothing aggressively racist there. Perhaps "ending the myth of multiculturalism - Ireland's distinct culture and heritage are being eroded" is the type of thing a racist would say but not necessarily racist in itself.

Sorry, I was referring to the BNP and their National Front supporters. I grew up in the States so I know a little bit about violent racism. It'll never really take off in this country. We've had a bit of violence towards immigrants here but I don't think much of it was racially motivated. I think the Irish are a lot more tolerant of immigration especially when considering our history.

This will fizzle out along with all the other half-brained parties we've seen in the past.

weedfreedomtinp · 04-01-2010 1:24am

il vote for anyone who legalizes cannabis for medical use

southsiderosie · 04-01-2010 2:19am

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Two things jump out at me here:

1) three out of four "lead" stories on their webpage are immigration-related
2) they only allow citizens to join the party, even though any legal resident over 18 who has lived in Ireland for at least 6 months can vote in local elections.

It seems like there is a lot of "dog whistle"-type language here: cues for the anti-immigration crowd that aren't overly crude but are clearly exclusionary.

The Saint · 04-01-2010 3:00am

I see nothing about them being a registered political party.
They have little of substance on their policies page and their values page doesn't look very well thought out.

I'd imagine it's proabably just a few people who have set up a website pretending to be a legitimate political party while actually having no idea what they're actually doing.

After reading their economic policy I wouldn't trust them with a piggybank and pocket change.

Anyway, as far as I can gather they are insular, anti-EU and anti-immigrant.

I for one certainly won't be supporting them.

Duiske · 04-01-2010 3:36am

The Saint wrote: »

Anyway, as far as I can gather they are insular, anti-EU and anti-immigrant.

I get the feeling you could add anti-gay to that list.

encouraging and supporting the traditional family - we believe that children develop best in this environment

OldJay · 04-01-2010 8:14am

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Policies very very very similar to BNP

So no non-white members then.

nesf · 04-01-2010 8:15am

Duiske wrote: »

I get the feeling you could add anti-gay to that list.

Nah, I don't read that as anti-gay, merely conservative on family issues which isn't the same thing. I'm pretty conservative on family issues and I'm very liberal on most gay issues including gay marriage.

Lockstep · 04-01-2010 8:53am

Do not want.

Raging against the "rights of criminals".
Raging against erosion of Irish culture.
Using the phrase "political correction gone mad" and actually being serious.
Portrayal of students as drink addicted, workshy freeloaders.
Anti immigration. Especially their inclusion of immigration problems under the economic policies/preference for Irish workers in the job market.

Reminds me of the BNP.
Bonus points for managing to reference Cromwell in their policies.

To give them their dues, they are seeking to distance themselves from the BNP (they have a poll for a name change so as to avoid any links being drawn) although this could just be a ploy.

Kev_ps3 · 04-01-2010 11:02am

Well id vote for them before the mainstream traitor partys anyway.

04-01-2010 12:05pm

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Well id vote for them before the mainstream traitor partys anyway.

nice.. replace the crap we already have with something possibly far worse.. Sound thinking there..

bmaxi · 04-01-2010 12:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

nice.. replace the crap we already have with something possibly far worse.. Sound thinking there..

The policy of voting for "the Divil you know" hasn't done us a lot of good.
I can't see a lot of racist policy in their web page, certainly no more than would be expressed by the average man in the street.
Personally I think new parties are on a hiding to nothing after the sell out of policy and principle, by the Greens.

04-01-2010 1:09pm

bmaxi wrote: »

The policy of voting for "the Divil you know" hasn't done us a lot of good.
I can't see a lot of racist policy in their web page, certainly no more than would be expressed by the average man in the street.
Personally I think new parties are on a hiding to nothing after the sell out of policy and principle, by the Greens.

Well, personally, I think people have misplaced the responsibility here. There's nothing wrong with the parties in themselves beyond the allowance of these political families, and the age of the candidates.. (I'd prefer to see a lot more younger politicians in the running)

The real problem is with the system and the lack of desire to change the system. No matter who gets into office in this country, they'll do a piss poor job of things because the system of office is so inefficient and backward. It encourages corruption, and a lack of responsibility for choices made.

I can't think of too many governments over the last 70 years that have managed to do a decent job in running this country. Every one of them have had some scandal of ineptitude assigned to them. Many of them have been accredited with corruption and greed. But voters assign the blame to the parties and life goes on without any real change.

Until the Irish political and governing systems are realistically reviewed, and changed nothing will be different. Parties will continue to pass the blame to the previous government in charge, and the voters will continue to blame everyone except themselves for the situation.

Voting in some party like the Irish National Party just because the other parties are crap, plonks the image of the rise of Hitler in Germany into my head.. In all likelihood they're nothing close to the Nazi party in desire or scope, but I'd prefer a better reason to vote them in...

bmaxi · 04-01-2010 1:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, personally, I think people have misplaced the responsibility here. There's nothing wrong with the parties in themselves beyond the allowance of these political families, and the age of the candidates.. (I'd prefer to see a lot more younger politicians in the running)

The real problem is with the system and the lack of desire to change the system. No matter who gets into office in this country, they'll do a piss poor job of things because the system of office is so inefficient and backward. It encourages corruption, and a lack of responsibility for choices made.

I can't think of too many governments over the last 70 years that have managed to do a decent job in running this country. Every one of them have had some scandal of ineptitude assigned to them. Many of them have been accredited with corruption and greed. But voters assign the blame to the parties and life goes on without any real change.

Until the Irish political and governing systems are realistically reviewed, and changed nothing will be different. Parties will continue to pass the blame to the previous government in charge, and the voters will continue to blame everyone except themselves for the situation.

Voting in some party like the Irish National Party just because the other parties are crap, plonks the image of the rise of Hitler in Germany into my head.. In all likelihood they're nothing close to the Nazi party in desire or scope, but I'd prefer a better reason to vote them in...

We are of one mind on many issues. Unfortunately the situation with the major parties and particularly FF is, more and more we are going to get the hand picked buddies of the top dogs foisted on us as election
candidates.
So, even if, in the unlikely situation that FF might have a potential candidate with some calibre and integrity, unless he/she is a crony of Cowen & Co., and I seriously doubt if anybody with those qualities would be, their chances of being selected are less than the proverbial snowball in hell.
Catch 22, unless we bring some plausible new parties, with no Civil War or other baggage, on board.

04-01-2010 2:11pm

bmaxi wrote: »

We are of one mind on many issues. Unfortunately the situation with the major parties and particularly FF is, more and more we are going to get the hand picked buddies of the top dogs foisted on us as election
candidates.
So, even if, in the unlikely situation that FF might have a potential candidate with some calibre and integrity, unless he/she is a crony of Cowen & Co., and I seriously doubt if anybody with those qualities would be, their chances of being selected are less than the proverbial snowball in hell.
Catch 22, unless we bring some plausible new parties, with no Civil War or other baggage, on board.

You know, there have been quite a few individual politicians that I've admired when they first entered politics. The stances and honesty was refreshing. However as time goes by and they become further institutionalized into the political landscape their words don't match their actions.

The point is that to achieve office in Ireland means sleeping with some party, and better yet, to get anything done means giving and receiving favors. Every politician gets compromised. Their ideals become sullied. They support local projects over those of national importance etc.

And this is part of the reason the system is flawed. It should have been reviewed on a regular basis from day one, but hasn't. As for new parties, i dunno if they would make much of a difference, since they would still have to make compromises with existing parties or business to get anything done.

If only we could ban every current politician that has ever held office, and their families from the system, and start from the beginning again. Swipe the slate clean.. install a new government with no political baggage, and then have them review the political system, and instigate a new system with better reviews and controls. And better yet, requirements on politicians to have experience and skills needed to do their respective jobs.

Flamed Diving · 04-01-2010 4:01pm

Maybe we should fire them an email and invite them to make a statement in this thread?

The Saint · 04-01-2010 4:26pm

Good idea. Off you go.

I want to see them defend their economic policies.

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Maybe we should fire them an email and invite them to make a statement in this thread?

Flamed Diving · 04-01-2010 4:30pm

The Saint wrote: »

Good idea. Off you go.
I want to see them defend their economic policies.

Ah, I am no good at writing letters... I will supervise and sub-edit, how about that?

The Saint · 04-01-2010 4:32pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Ah, I am no good at writing letters... I will supervise and sub-edit, how about that?

Ha. Anyway, I'm not sure whether I'd be too happy about giving these people any publicity.

sceptre · 04-01-2010 6:04pm

I'm willing to bet that this is a three men and a dog effort. Assuming there are even three men involved and that there is a dog. Lately the cost of pretending you have a "new political party" on the go is almost nothing. I'm almost surprised that more people aren't doing it.

Mr. Incognito · 04-01-2010 7:06pm

I see them as nothing but a thinly veiled bunch of racist bigots.

If history has taught us anything any party that starts to drum up fear and start blaming minorities for the ills of the country that gains popular support things never go well.

Immigrants did not cause the property bubble. Immigrants did not run this country into the ground. In fact immigrants came here and contributed to our boom by doing the jobs Irish people thought they were above.

I see thin differentials from other radicals like the KKK, the BNP and other radical groups that do nothing but spread ignorance, fear and dis-information.

The sooner they disappear off the political landscape the better.

Dr. Baltar · 04-01-2010 7:55pm

As a country who doesn't have a lot to offer politically, I see nothing wrong with expanding the different ideologies in this country. We've got Centre-Right Parties, A centre-left party that barely begs the name and a lot of extreme lefties.

Ireland has yet to have a voice for the far right and after the wipe out of the PDs there are no Libertarians either.

Although I wouldn't personally vote for any right wing party I don't see anything wrong with the far right emerging in Ireland - eh... although if they got into power I would certainly leave.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 05-01-2010 2:57am

I agree with INP about their proposed repayment of fees.

I don't understand how anyone has a problem with it. You get your college education paid for and then you pay it back when you're in employment. How does this stop anyone from going to college?

Its fairest too. Say you're working class poor income family you get grant and fees paid - fair enough. What if you're from a middle income family, have to pay your fees but your parents dont want to pay them, or can't because they're in debt.... leaves you with no option of going to college

Why not treat everyone equally and have the students repay the fees after they get employment(amount being paid back proportionate to income of course)

anto475 · 10-01-2010 8:17pm

i can't see the sort of BNP nationalism taking hold here for a while. we don't have that sort of magnitude of foreigners, and nationalism here still means wanting the North back for most.