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Simple probability question

  • 02-01-2010 1:51pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭


    Hi, say I am asked to find the Probability that at least 1 tale appears in the toss of 3 fair coins. So I know firstly that I have to work out all possible combinations of results for the toss of 3 coins. There are 8 possible outcomes
    HHH HHT HTH HTT TTT TTH THT THH.

    My question is, what is the easiest way to work out all possible combinations? I get confused really easily with probability and it takes me ages to figure out all possible combinations such as the above. Is there a trick to it or is there any easier alternative to working out this question without having to write ever possible result?
    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    the easy trick is to find the probability that no tail appears, in other words, that all the tosses are heads. Then you can subtract this from 1 to get the answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Fremen


    There doesn't seem to be a specific pattern in the way you've written down the different outcomes.

    The way I might have done it is first write down all combinations with 0 heads:
    TTT

    then all combinations with one head:
    HTT THT TTH

    then two heads:
    HHT HTH THH

    then three heads:
    HHH

    When everything is in order like that makes the distinct outcomes much easier to keep track of.

    That's only if you want to write down all the combinations explicitly. Roundtower's way is best if you want the answer right off the bat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,902 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    DeadMoney wrote: »
    My question is, what is the easiest way to work out all possible combinations? I get confused really easily with probability and it takes me ages to figure out all possible combinations such as the above.

    The question didn't ask to list all the combos.

    So the easiest way to get the exact number to multiply all the possible outcomes (in this case 2, H or T) for each action, in this case by its self for the no. of actions (3 flips)


    2*2*2=8


    Then, the only on hat has no tail is all heads, which means that 7/8 have at least one tail


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭DeadMoney


    Thanks guys :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭DeadMoney


    Hey have another basic probability problem if anyone wants to help.

    Need to find the probability that a random card removed from a deck is either a 3 or a 4

    So, is is something like P(3)+P(4)-P(3and4) i.e, P(A) + P(B) - P(A and B)


    since A and B are mutually exclusive?


    or is it, 4/52 + 4/52 = 8/52 = .15 i.e, P(A) + P(B)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭MathsManiac


    DeadMoney wrote: »
    Hey have another basic probability problem if anyone wants to help.

    Need to find the probability that a random card removed from a deck is either a 3 or a 4

    So, is is something like P(3)+P(4)-P(3and4) i.e, P(A) + P(B) - P(A and B)


    since A and B are mutually exclusive?


    or is it, 4/52 + 4/52 = 8/52 = .15 i.e, P(A) + P(B)

    Both are correct. Since the card cannot be both a 3 and a 4, P(A^B) = 0.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,902 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    DeadMoney wrote: »
    Hey have another basic probability problem if anyone wants to help.

    Need to find the probability that a random card removed from a deck is either a 3 or a 4

    So, is is something like P(3)+P(4)-P(3and4) i.e, P(A) + P(B) - P(A and B)


    since A and B are mutually exclusive?


    or is it, 4/52 + 4/52 = 8/52 = .15 i.e, P(A) + P(B)

    You are making it very over complicated.

    52 cards in a deck. 8 are a 3 or a 4
    8/52

    Or do it by single suit.

    13 possible cards, 2 of them are 3 or 4

    2/13


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