Another Spree shooting in Finland

InKonspikuou2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8435857.stm

Several people have been shot dead at a shopping centre in the southern Finnish city of Espoo, near the capital, Helsinki, Finland's media report.
Four people have been killed, according to the website of the Finnish national broadcaster, YLE, though this has not been confirmed.
Police and ambulances are at the scene, but there are no reports of the gunman having been stopped.
The incident is Finland's third major shooting in the past two years.
Thursday's bloodshed reportedly broke out at about 1000 local time (0800 GMT) at the Sello shopping centre.



A witness said an employee of the Prisma grocery store was left lying on the floor of the shop, and that a man dressed in black was seen walking toward the Citymarket store.
A separate, unconfirmed, report said one person had been shot twice in the head and another in the stomach.
Parts of the shopping centre were closed and trains were not stopping at the local railway station, YLE said.



Gun laws tightened
There is a long tradition of hunting in Finland, which has vast areas of forest and wilderness, but until recently gun crime has been rare.



But two deadly shootings in recent years focused attention on gun laws in a country where young people were permitted to own and use a firearm at 15 years of age if they had parental consent.
In November 2007, an 18-year-old went on a gun rampage at his school in Tuusula, killing seven pupils and a teacher, before turning the gun on himself. He had posted a video warning of the attack on the internet.
Then, in September 2008, a 22-year-old trainee chef killed 10 people at a college before killing himself.
He, too, had put a video on the internet showing himself shooting a gun. After doing that he was interviewed by police, but they decided it was not sufficient reason to revoke his gun licence.



After the second attack, stricter rules on permits for pistols and revolvers were introduced.
Handgun permits would no longer be granted to first-time applicants, the interior ministry said.
Instead, they must train for at least a year at a gun club before being allowed to apply for a permit.
All applicants must also provide a note from a doctor about their mental health and sit an interview with police.

Third major one in 2 years with a few smaller ones in between. What degree of mentalness drives these people to do this shít?

MaybeLogic

Lax gun laws don't help.

m83

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Lax gun laws don't help.

Define lax. Finland have it pretty tight by now according to the OP's final paragraph. I think availability is key.

laoisforliam

Anyone else read


"Another Spree Shooting in Finglas "?

orourkeda

nice

MaybeLogic

m83 wrote: »

Define lax. Finland have it pretty tight by now according to the OP's final paragraph. I think availability is key.

Availability of weapons to young men,the last paragraph notwithstanding,may be the key. I'd consider that lax.

ottostreet

Espoo....thats where Kimi Raikkonen is from.

sorry..thats very off-topic.


im not sure what theyre doing wrong. Its not like its a politically unstable country, and they seem to run tight ships when it comes to licencing for everything! its possible that once one attack happened, other people finally got the courage to go ahead with their own attack.

a series of bad luck.

rovert

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8435857.stm




Third major one in 2 years with a few smaller ones in between. What degree of mentalness drives these people to do this shít?

Gender equality taken too far in society

InKonspikuou2

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8435857.stm




Third major one in 2 years with a few smaller ones in between. What degree of mentalness drives these people to do this shít?

Cold weather and people mistaking your country for Finglas.

CreepingDeath

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

What degree of mentalness drives these people to do this shít?

Probably good doses of depression, alienation and anger I imagine.

imme

laoisforliam wrote: »

Anyone else read


"Another Spree Shooting in Finglas "?

imme

sad news alright, I don't know that the term 'spree' is appropriate in a context like this, even though I know it's a well known and widely used term.

General Zod

imme wrote: »

sad news alright, I don't know that the term 'spree' is appropriate in a context like this, even though I know it's a well known and widely used term.

It's the actual term for it. Spree killings are many separate murders in a short period of time.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Lax gun laws don't help.

...

You don't know much about this type of thing at all, do you?

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Availability of weapons to young men,the last paragraph notwithstanding,may be the key. I'd consider that lax.

What do you suggest people do then? Ignorance will destroy the sport and hobbies of millions who love it. People should mind their own business and stay the fcuk out of things they don't understand.

InKonspikuou2

when you type into google "shootings in Fin" it completes it as Finglas.

CrazyRabbit

Here we go again. Blaming inanimate for the actions of a person.

I work with many Finns. I know quite a few of them have been hunting and shooting guns since a young age. However, when you put a gun in their hand, they don't start shooting everyone in cold blood.

This incident didn't occur because of guns or their availability. If you had removed every single gun from Finland, then this guy would have gone on a rampage with a knife instead.

Instead of tightening guns laws, you need to look at how and why the gunmens mental health was so damaged that he felt it necessary to go out a kill people. Focusing on the guns deflects attention from the true cause of this tragedy and dooms us to seeing a similar event in the future.

Bodhisopha

Who the Helsinki is, Rambo?

MaybeLogic

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Here we go again. Blaming inanimate for the actions of a person.

I work with many Finns. I know quite a few of them have been hunting and shooting guns since a young age. However, when you put a gun in their hand, they don't start shooting everyone in cold blood.

This incident didn't occur because of guns or their availability. If you had removed every single gun from Finland, then this guy would have gone on a rampage with a knife instead.

Instead of tightening guns laws, you need to look at how and why the gunmens mental health was so damaged that he felt it necessary to go out a kill people. Focusing on the guns deflects attention from the true cause of this tragedy and dooms us to seeing a similar event in the future.

All very well,but the number of fatalities would probably be reduced if a knife was involved.

jesus_thats_gre

Was taught to shoot when I was 15 by my uncle in Finland 15 years ago. Tis sad to see but guns are easily enough accessed and there are a savage amount of depressed folk.

jesus_thats_gre

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

when you type into google "shootings in Fin" it completes it as Finglas.

That is because it knows you are in Ireland..

jesus_thats_gre

MaybeLogic wrote: »

All very well,but the number of fatalities would probably be reduced if a knife was involved.

Could as easily be a car being driven into a crowd..

TheCardHolder

A finnish friend of mine actually did work experience in that shopping centre and was good friends with one of the victims. It's a horrible thing to happen.