2010 no more roads - Live with it.

Sponge Bob

Gormley commits the state to a new climate target in Copenhagen. No rush to complete the review which will take years and years. It is simply a way to cancel roads without Gomrely Ryan or Demspey having to say "it will not be built"

http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/gormley_commits_ireland_to_80_emissions_reduction_by_2050

CAN WE NOT HAVE ANY MORE ROAD THREADS FOR ROADS THAT HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING BUILT. 94 OF THEM

I am sick of this one thread per crappy little road policy around here, there is a LOT MORE to infrastructure than feckin roads and there is NO MONEY for roads FFS

From Gormley in Copengahen.

The completion dates and appropriate road standard of the remaining 94 road projects at the design stage or earlier stage of development will be reviewed in light of the economic circumstances, falling road usage and our climate change objectives.

Tech3

Post 2012 all could change with the government leaving office which is very likely.

But yes I do agree there is more to Infrastructure than roads, I'd like to see a thread discussing the poor standard of broadband we have in this country compared to our EU counterparts in detail. It would be ideal to have a graph comparing average download and upload speeds if one can be found.

Sponge Bob you cant deny though that the M17/M18 still has a chance of construction start next year.

Sponge Bob

That is all on the Ireland Offline site tech2

http://irelandoffline.org/

eg

http://irelandoffline.org/2009/08/examining-the-broadband-excuse-machine/

In august 2009 and based on then available data .

"Ireland currently ranks 33rd out of 35 OECD countries for average broadband speed"



We have gone up to 31st since source

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/10/53/39575086.xls

Average advertised broadband download speed, kbit/s* Number of offers used to calculate average
Japan 92 846 31
Korea 80 800 10
France 51 000 13
Finland 19 226 36
Netherlands 18 177 14
Germany 15 919 15
Australia 15 539 71
Denmark 14 633 20
Portugal 14 100 15
Iceland 13 693 34
New Zealand** 13 527 36
Norway 12 364 22
Sweden 12 297 27
Italy 11 939 8
United Kingdom 10 673 16
Czech Republic 10 468 9
Austria 10 292 15
Luxembourg 9 984 13
United States 9 641 24
Spain 9 631 24
Switzerland 7 946 13
Belgium 7 544 13
Greece 7 504 16
Slovak Republic 6 254 14
Canada 6 236 16
Ireland 6 201 21
Hungary 5 354 15
Poland 4 313 12
Turkey 3 338 26
Mexico 1 514 10
OECD 17 412 609

Irish and Proud

tech2 wrote: »

Post 2012 all could change with the government leaving office which is very likely.

But yes I do agree there is more to Infrastructure than roads, I'd like to see a thread discussing the poor standard of broadband we have in this country compared to our EU counterparts in detail. It would be ideal to have a graph comparing average download and upload speeds if one can be found.

Broadband is a very good topic to bring up alright! IMO, the sale of Telecom Eireann in 1999 brought Ireland from having a top rate telecommunications system in the 1990's to a very poor one in relative terms today! Does Norway etc. have something like 100MB compared to our 7MB. Should we nationalize Eircom in a bid to reverse the decline of our telecommunications - like our competitiveness is at stake here!

BTW, a CPO has just been published by Meath CC for the N2 Slane Bypass (3.5km of 2+2), amid a very robust local campaign to get it built. Things now seem so bad in Slane that a new 30kph limit has just been activated by MCC! In general, there may be a reduction in road building, but it won't stop altogether in my estimation - people would just not tolerate it - see:

http://bypassslane.com/

for example - there'll probably be a site for Macroom next!

Regards!

Sponge Bob

Broadband is a key part of smart metering, you cannot ultimately control demand without an always on path to the meters themselves (as I just said in the Nuke sticky)

Therefore Broadband-Energy-Transport are inextricably interlinked and the ****e 3g rubbish the Green Party loves cannot work properly for smart metering. Transport and Broadband are equally interdependent.

We have no proper broadband and no plan , way it is .

Irish and Proud

Sponge Bob wrote: »

In august 2009 and based on then available data .

"Ireland currently ranks 33rd out of 35 OECD countries for average broadband speed"...

:mad::mad::mad: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr................

Sponge Bob wrote: »

...We have gone up to 31st since source

It's a total disgrace! :mad::mad::mad:

Amtmann

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I am sick of this one thread per crappy little road policy around here, there is a LOT MORE to infrastructure than feckin roads and there is NO MONEY for roads FFS

Sponge Bob, there is no actual policy here in relation to threads per road scheme. The forum caters for the interests of the viewers and users by virtue of the type of subject matter that may be discussed here; and the viewers and users, in turn, build the forum by starting and participating in threads.

Before I stepped down as a moderator, Blunt and I stickied a number of high quality non-road threads in an effort to get them going. I believe the plan is working to an extent. The fact of the matter is that road threads attract both road-hobbyists and commuters, of which there are many. There are no broadband hobbyists that I know of. But if there are, there's nothing to stop them from creating and growing appropriate threads here, is there? That said, I think one other thread could be stickied, if the Mods so wished (this one).

I also disagree with you that each scheme shouldn't have its own thread. Look at the M9 thread as an example of a cluttered thread that is difficult to follow for the casual reader because of the three conflated schemes within it. Besides, the board isn't going to run out of space any time soon. However, if the forum were busier I would have certainly considered asking the Admins to create a subforum within Infrastructure, and I would have moved all the road threads into there.

mysterious

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Gormley commits the state to a new climate target in Copenhagen. No rush to complete the review which will take years and years. It is simply a way to cancel roads without Gomrely Ryan or Demspey having to say "it will not be built"

http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/gormley_commits_ireland_to_80_emissions_reduction_by_2050

CAN WE NOT HAVE ANY MORE ROAD THREADS FOR ROADS THAT HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING BUILT. 94 OF THEM

I am sick of this one thread per crappy little road policy around here, there is a LOT MORE to infrastructure than feckin roads and there is NO MONEY for roads FFS

From Gormley in Copengahen.

Are you the messenger for the government.

I don't like this propganda. It almost seems like your working for them as the middle man. I don't think this is really acceptable. Given the crap we have been fed over the last 10 years. The incompetancy is unbearable enough.


We are the voice now, not the government. I would ask you out of respect to stop treating these reports as the bible. Not all of us follow that religion.

Sponge Bob

mysterious wrote: »

It almost seems like your working for them as the middle man.

No, I am a bog alien

BluntGuy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I am sick of this one thread per crappy little road policy around here, there is a LOT MORE to infrastructure than feckin roads and there is NO MONEY for roads FFS

I think Furet pretty much summed up my feelings. We can't stop people making threads on road schemes. Now I did do a little merging just now to merge discussions there aren't going to go very far into bigger threads, but the fact is most people on this forum are primarily interested in roads.

Tech2 and I are trying to diversify the place, but we can't force people.

mike65

IOFFL was where BB infrastructure used to be discussed of course.

fresca

What? No more Fianna Fail road opening photo ops / parties?
Sorry, i just don't see it happening...

veryangryman

Declining road usage?

Is Gormley for real? Putting up taxes like a cunnt (unfortunately) does not stop the fact that commuters need to get places and dont have any decent public transport worth talking about. (Cellbridge, Summerhill, many rural commuters etc)

The only drop worth talking about is due to less people being in employment. Gormley must work on the assumption that these people will not be unemployed forever. They will then have to travel to work once again.

Whats really got my goat about the current coalition setup is 2 things..

1) FF "old pals act" with builders and bankers, never more aptly summed up by Cowens shyness over an enquiry into the scandals.
2) The Greens meanwhile with no proper visions other than to further isolate the poor bastard from rural Geashill whose post office has already been closed and can no longer afford to go to his local. And no, they aint just doing it because of the recession. A 7% per annum increase in fuel (through tax alone) with no incentives to alternatives to driving proposed is a disgrace

dowlingm

In fairness to Gormless, the exodus of the eastern Europeans will likely produce a substantial reduction, at least in some areas.

mysterious

Sponge Bob wrote: »

No, I am a bog alien

Well whatever you are, be sure to check that your not in authority over others, and neither is the government


I'm dead serious!

Stark

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Gormley commits the state to a new climate target in Copenhagen. No rush to complete the review which will take years and years. It is simply a way to cancel roads without Gomrely Ryan or Demspey having to say "it will not be built"

http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/gormley_commits_ireland_to_80_emissions_reduction_by_2050

CAN WE NOT HAVE ANY MORE ROAD THREADS FOR ROADS THAT HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING BUILT. 94 OF THEM

I am sick of this one thread per crappy little road policy around here, there is a LOT MORE to infrastructure than feckin roads and there is NO MONEY for roads FFS

From Gormley in Copengahen.

Anyone have any updates on how long before the N256 Killinascully - Ballydung scheme goes to construction phase?

imangry29

Declining road usage????? :mad: :mad: :mad: Gormley needs to visit Cork or Kerry and try to travel the N22. Ballyvourney and Macroom are choked at peak times with Cork/Kerry commuters. The road surface is appalling, the bends worse. There is no viable public transport alternative to connect the gateway of Cork and hub of Tralee/Killarney (along with the rest of Kerry). The train is indirect, often with long waits for connections in Mallow. The buses are pathetically slow courtesy of the mountain path that is the N22 Ballyvourney-Macroom. The N22 is a project that MUST be progressed if the Cork/Kerry region is worthy of a future. Its bad enough Tranpsort 21 effectively forgot that Kerry existed.

Oh and as for Gormley on the N22, remember this?
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2007/10/01/story43972.asp

Mr Gormley described the N22 as the “umbilical cord” between Cork and Kerry. The 21km bypass will also go around the town of Macroom and will be a major part of a virtual new road between Kerry and Cork city.

“By acting flexibly at this early stage, the NRA have shown that we can build roads and conserve important nature at the same time,” he said.

:D:D:D:D Oh Gormley, you twat. Virtual is certainly the word for the N22.

Sponge Bob

Gormley and his archeytpal south dublin green voters do not give a damn about anybody outside the M50.

You could always write to him about it ??

rubensni

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Gormley and his archeytpal south dublin green voters do not give a damn about anybody outside the M50.

That's not true. They also want the roads that lead to and from Dublin to be good so they can head to the Aran islands or Kerry for the weekend without having to get stuck in the Midlands.

marmurr1916

Irish Times has picked up on this story:

CONSTRUCTION IS unlikely to begin on any new national road projects this year, the National Roads Authority (NRA) has confirmed, after a cut in Government funding of more than one-fifth.

Funding from the Department of Transport for the construction, maintenance and improvement of national roads has been cut by €325 million this year, despite the millions of euro of damage caused to roads during the recent bad weather.

Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey yesterday announced a €1.115 billion investment in the national roads, down from €1.44 billion last year and said it was a “proud boast” that the State’s road building programme was efficient, on budget and on time.

About two-thirds of this year’s budget, more than €730 million, will be allocated to local authorities for the improvement and maintenance of national roads in their areas.

On the plus side:

Contracts are due to be signed for three new roads this year. These projects are a 2km stretch of the N7 near Newlands Cross, the M11 from Arklow to Rathnew (16km) and the N17/M18 from Gort to Tuam (58km).

However, the NRA spokesman said it was unlikely that construction would start on any of these before 2011.

Construction will continue this year on the N21 Castleisland bypass, the only national road scheme to start in 2009.

Some 292km of roads will be completed in 2010 – these are the M3 Clonee to north of Kells, N3 Kells to Carnaross (part of the M3), N7 Castletown to Nenagh, N7 Nenagh to Limerick, N7 Limerick Tunnel, M7/M8 Portlaoise to Cullahill/Castletown, N9 Waterford to Knocktopher, N9 Carlow to Knocktopher, N10 Kilkenny Link Road (part of the N9 Carlow to Knocktopher), M50 upgrade scheme phase 2, N52 Kells bypass (part of the M3), and N78 Athy link road (part of N9 Kilcullen to Carlow).

The N18 Gort to Crusheen motorway at 22km is due to be completed in 2011 as is the Castleisland bypass.

Think they might have got their Ms and Ns mixed up on this bit:

the M11 from Arklow to Rathnew (16km) and the N17/M18 from Gort to Tuam (58km).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0202/1224263580646.html

Stark

They have quite a few N and Ms mixed up. It should be M7 Castletown to Nenagh, M7 Nenagh to Limerick, N7 Limerick Tunnel, M7/M8 Portlaoise to Cullahill/Castletown, M9 Waterford to Knocktopher, M9 Carlow to Knocktopher since the motorway redesignations.

I thought the Limerick Tunnel would be motorway but seems it's still N status.

Judgement Day

It is the Grunaird/Irish Times so you shouldn't be surprised at this sort of lazy journalism - they probably lifted the road number details from Wikipedia.

spacetweek

dowlingm wrote: »

In fairness to Gormless, the exodus of the eastern Europeans will likely produce a substantial reduction, at least in some areas.

Irrelevant. An increase in unemployment and emigration is no reason to stop spending on infrastructure. You don't build for now, you build for the future.