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  • 19-12-2009 12:08pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭


    Spun my Landrover 360 degrees this morning on ice
    Road was realy realy bad (mountains) but it suprised me
    Doinfg aprox 30kmh...slow quiet spin
    No damage done, Just wondering how this happens
    I have spun a RWD car before...but permenent 4wd??
    How is it posible?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,401 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Did you brake hard or touch the accelerator just before the spin?

    Lack of friction is a bad thing between tyre and road and no matter what you drive Ice seriously reduces friction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    4WD only works as long as you have traction ...ice doesn't offer any.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Often did the same thing in a Disco. There's no stopping it once you lose it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    4WD in wintery conditions is a bit of a treacherous affair.

    Because all four wheels are driven, on bad surfaces you will keep going quite a bit longer than a 2WD as the torque from the engine is divided by four instead of two. This means the little grip there is might just be enough not to spin the wheels whereas a 2 WD would already be slipping.

    When the grip finally goes, the picture changes dramatically though.
    On a 2WD you have two spinning wheels with no traction and two other wheels that (as long as you don't apply the brakes) still have some road holding. This means the driven axle starts spinning but the other one still keeps its original direction (for a short instance) and if you're lucky you can catch the car from spinning out of control.
    On the 4WD when traction is lost, it goes on all four wheels. You're going straight from full control to no control at all (excluding controlled drifts from this scenario:D). To add to this, most 4WD systems have some internal friction that effectively locks up the sliding wheels ...so even hitting the clutch might not always restore traction/contact.
    In some situations you actually have to accelerate a 4WD in order to get back control and that is somewhat counter-intuitive when you're sliding towards a wall or a ditch :D


    And then there would be the other thing that 4WD drivers tend to forget ...while you might be better off going uphill in a 4WD, on the downhill section 4WD offers very little advantage over a 2WD ...because on the brakes all vehicles are 4WD.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,106 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    peasant wrote: »
    4WD in wintery conditions is a bit of a treacherous affair.

    Because all four wheels are driven, on bad surfaces you will keep going quite a bit longer than a 2WD as the torque from the engine is divided by four instead of two. This means the little grip there is might just be enough not to spin the wheels whereas a 2 WD would already be slipping.

    When the grip finally goes, the picture changes dramatically though.
    On a 2WD you have two spinning wheels with no traction and two other wheels that (as long as you don't apply the brakes) still have some road holding. This means the driven axle starts spinning but the other one still keeps its original direction (for a short instance) and if you're lucky you can catch the car from spinning out of control.
    On the 4WD when traction is lost, it goes on all four wheels. You're going straight from full control to no control at all (excluding controlled drifts from this scenario:D). To add to this, most 4WD systems have some internal friction that effectively locks up the sliding wheels ...so even hitting the clutch might not always restore traction/contact.
    In some situations you actually have to accelerate a 4WD in order to get back control and that is somewhat counter-intuitive when you're sliding towards a wall or a ditch :D


    And then there would be the other thing that 4WD drivers tend to forget ...while you might be better off going uphill in a 4WD, on the downhill section 4WD offers very little advantage over a 2WD ...because on the brakes all vehicles are 4WD.

    First post here in a while IMO which has genuinely been educational, informative and well written.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭Ferris


    Aren't landrovers RWD in 2 wheel drive anyway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    Ferris wrote: »
    Aren't landrovers RWD in 2 wheel drive anyway?
    Not since 1984, when the 90 finally replaced the Series III.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Mr.Boots


    Cheers lads,
    I think a tank would have spoon on the road this morning...it was that bad.
    Also its a 90 with tend to lunge a bit over bumps...so this could have contriputed to starting a spin.
    I did dip the clutch when it stated but there was noooooo catching it.

    Be carefull out there....the council havnt gritted around me (wicklow/wexford) and its lethal in places.


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