More Chinooks For RAF and Possible C17 but..

Steyr

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8413135.stm

Job cut fears as new Chinooks ordered for Afghanistan

The government is to buy 22 new Chinook helicopters but the defence secretary is to detail other cuts to fund them.

Bob Ainsworth is set to announce the closure of an RAF base - understood to be RAF Cottesmore in Rutland - and the loss of thousands of defence jobs.

The first 10 helicopters are expected to be ready in 2013 and could be used by the RAF in Afghanistan.

Ex-defence secretary Malcolm Rifkind said it was dangerous to cut core budgets to fund the Afghan conflict.

The Harriers based at RAF Cottesmore will move to RAF Wittering before being phased out of service altogether, earlier than planned.

The Tornado force based at RAF Lossiemouth and RAF Marham in Norfolk will also lose one squadron and it is thought parts of RAF Kinloss, in Moray, could be mothballed.

'Short-sighted'

Mr Ainsworth's announcement comes after months of criticism over the number of helicopters in operation in Helmand, in Afghanistan.

In total, the Chinook fleet will increase in size from 48 to 70.

Mr Ainsworth said: "Helicopter capability has already doubled in the last three years and this future strategy builds on this, ensuring that our armed forces have the very best resources at their disposal."

Commander Joint Helicopter Command, Rear Admiral Tony Johnstone-Burt, said Chinooks had proved "invaluable" on operations, saying: "This new strategy will dramatically increase our military capability on the battlefield for many years to come."


The RAF will fly the Chinooks in Afghanistan alongside Merlin helicopters which arrived in the country last month. Their arrival will mean the ageing Sea Kings, used by the RAF and Royal Navy, can be retired early.

An extra C17 transport plane could also be on the cards.But the money will have to come out of the Ministry of Defence's existing budget, which is already overspent.

This afternoon Mr Ainsworth is likely to announce cuts to the existing Harrier and Tornado fighter jet fleet, and a cutback of Nimrod reconnaissance aircraft.

Andrew Brookes, a former RAF pilot and director of the Air League, which promotes the cause of British aviation, warned the plan was short-sighted.

He told BBC News: "If you cut back the premier league capability of the UK forces in order to just win a counter insurgency campaign against the Taliban, which has no air force and has no tanks and has no warships, when you finally do pitch up against a state that has those capabilities you could seriously end up losing a conflict that really matters to the UK in future in order to win one in Afghanistan today."

Former Conservative Defence Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind said he was "disturbed" by the idea of equipment cuts to fund the war in Afghanistan.

He said the consensus for many years had been that the costs of fighting wars should be met from the government's contingency fund, not from the core defence budget.

"That is deeply dangerous, never happened in the past and has the most ominous implications for the integrity of our armed forces."

The director of the Royal United Services Institute, Professor Michael Clarke, said: "It's a matter of risks. The fact is the current programme is unaffordable, simple as that, so the Ministry of Defence is having to make some calculations as to what it can afford in the next three or four years."

He said decisions were being made without a defence review, which has not happened for 12 years and is not due until after the general election.

"We've got another year or maybe 18 months before we get some political decisions on how much does defence matter to us and what do we want to do in the world."

It comes as a report by the National Audit Office accuses the MoD of driving up projects' overall budgets through short-term cost-cutting.

On Monday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced £150m would be spent on tackling improvised explosive devices in Afghanistan.

Some 122 of the 237 British service personnel who have died in Afghanistan have been killed by explosives, most of them IEDs.

The body of the soldier who became the 100th British fatality in Afghanistan this year, Lance Corporal Adam Drane, has been returned to the UK.

Meanwhile, the first of 500 extra British troops to be deployed to Afghanistan have arrived in the country.

The soldiers from The 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) landed at 0505 local time (0035 GMT).

vulcan57

they are also putting the two new carriers on hold and they will now not be ready till 2016 in time for the jsf. all to fund the new chinooks. silly really as the new carriers will now cost even more. begs the question, is it all actually saving money.

Dacian

vulcan57 wrote: »

they are also putting the two new carriers on hold..............silly really as the new carriers will now cost even more. begs the question, is it all actually saving money.

I read an article in Combat Aviation a few months back about the defense budget and various projects. A point it made well was that the MoD was being run by accountants, eg. they are selling off its older buildings and bases to generate cash. There was a 'sound business rationale' behind this, some fluff about exploiting the value of older loss making properties. However as the writer says these proprties have paid for thenselves years ago os are currently not costing any more thna their upkeep while new 'modern' facilites will cost a lot more.

The writer also pointed out that the contract to rent tankers (which will be operated by RAF crews) from a private firm while insulating the MoD/RAF from a large capital cost will actually coat more over the next 10-20 years than just buying the tamkers themselves.

Nforce

One wonders whether the UK MOD learned it's lessons in the run up to the Falklands conflict or Gulf War 1 where mothballed equipment was hastily put back into service.