Definitive 100 Discussion - Part 5 (with voting) take #2

MudSkipper

(041) Prince of Darkness (1987)
(042) Maniac (1980)
(043) Braindead (1992)
(044) The Mist (2007)
(045) Demons (1985)
(046) Zombie Flesh Eaters (1979)
(047) Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
(048) Saw (2004)
(049) Poltergeist (1982)
(050) Wolf Creek (2005)

Sorry messed up the original thread folks, that multi-choice checkbox scared me :eek: so forgot to check it when I created the last poll

Voting is now open for the next 10 days, to keep it fair please dont vote on anything you havent seen

niallon

Haven't seen Demons or Maniac but again I agree with the rest!

Prince Of Darkness
Being honest, John Carpenter, 'nuff said, but seriously, I think this was underrated. Think Drag Me To Hell, Carpenter returned to the lower budget side of things after extravaganzas such as The Thing and it provided a good enjoyable horror flick amidst effects laden showboats.

Braindead
I dare anyone to vote this out. Once again, proof if ever it were needed that the best comes from abroad. Outside of the Hollywood movie machine Peter Jackson crafted a beautiful blend of horror and comedy at the same time The Evil Dead franchise was loosing its ability to do so.

The Mist
Another for the criminally underseen section. Not Darabont's fault this got no financial backing this side of the pond, a must see but only in Black and White, ignore the colour tripe!

Zombie Flesh Eaters
Not my favourite but like others on the list, definitely deserves its place in the top 100 for cult, influence and legacy status alone. Not a bad film either though!!

Bride of Frankenstein
A classic is a classic! Elsa Lanchester and the hairdo to end all hairdos! Of course there's so much more to the film and much of it goes without saying!

Saw
Of course we must ignore what it created as far as the sequels go, this was a welcome injection of life into the stale slasher filled horror circle that was around in the early noughties. One of my all time favourites.

Poltergeist
As rumour persists, Spielberg may have taken a lot of the horror element outta this film but what remains is still an epic of the genre. So many iconic moments and I still can't look at clown dolls or odd trees the same!

Wolf Creek
I suppose the horror nature of this "true story" could be debated but personally I think it's a great film and I guess it's a little too extreme for the thriller genre so so be it!

trustno1

A good 10, haven't voted any to go.. a couple I haven't seen (and didn't vote for) and those that I have are all excellent and deserve to stay..

beans

Of those that I've seen, I'd vote out 'The Mist' as a good-but-not-great pic that should languish outside the top 100. I'd also vote out 'Demons' for the same reason, despite the legendary status it commands.

Haven't seen Saw, Wolf Creek or Bride of Frankenstein yet!

c - 13

(043) Braindead (1992)
Voting to keep this one. niallon compared it to the evil dead which I would agree with. A nice merging of comedy and horror. Plus buckets of gore.

(047) Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
As others have said a classic, haven't seen it in a long time.

(048) Saw (2004)
Unsure about this one it was one of the more original films of its type that I had seen since cube. Its not a bad film but as others have said its been dragged quickly underwater by the endless sequels. Plus it did spawn that horrible "Torture Porn" tag.

(050) Wolf Creek (2005)
I really can't understand all the love for this film, a very average slasher film at best. Vote to go from me.

Haven't seen the others, really need to dedicate some serious time to DVD's over Christmas.

Necronomicon

Voted on the ones I've seen, a few there I haven't.

Stay: Braindead, The Mist, Saw and Poltergeist.
Go: Wolfcreek.

Fysh

beans wrote: »

Of those that I've seen, I'd vote out 'The Mist' as a good-but-not-great pic that should languish outside the top 100.

Are we talking about the colour or B&W version here? Because for me that's the distinction between agreeing and disagreeing with you - the colour version is ok, but the B&W version has a much stronger atmosphere and the visuals are much more impressive.

beans

Fysh wrote: »

Are we talking about the colour or B&W version here?

I was talking about 'Stephen King's "The Mist"', from 2007. I assume that's the colour version you mean? It's the only one I've come across! Is there a b&w version of this same film?

Edit - ah, I see there is. Must check this out.

carbonkid

I think all the Italian horror (specially anything evolving Dario Argento or Lucio Fulci) should automaticly be put true as a yes vote :P

After seen it at the horrorthon wish i put up Contamination as well.

Otis Driftwood

beans wrote: »

I was talking about 'Stephen King's "The Mist"', from 2007. I assume that's the colour version you mean? It's the only one I've come across! Is there a b&w version of this same film?

Edit - ah, I see there is. Must check this out.

Everything about the B+W version is superior.There are added/extended scenes,the atmosphere is much better and most importantly,the effects blend in almost seemlessly.In colour they are very obviously CGI,eg the tentacles in the store room,but in B+W they look sofaking better.

carbonkid wrote: »

I think all the Italian horror (specially anything evolving Dario Argento or Lucio Fulci) should automaticly be put true as a yes vote :P

After seen it at the horrorthon wish i put up Contamination as well.

Contamination (Alien Contamination) while a good splattery movie suffers very badly from the poor transfer.Or maybe its just the print I have.I believe the Anchor Bay release is cleaned up alot?

trustno1

Fysh wrote: »

Are we talking about the colour or B&W version here? Because for me that's the distinction between agreeing and disagreeing with you - the colour version is ok, but the B&W version has a much stronger atmosphere and the visuals are much more impressive.

I feel I am missing out big time by not having seen it in B&W... will have to buy it again.. D'oh!.. but will wait until I have secured a Blu Ray player in the christmas sales..

Cactus Col

Prince Of Darkness
Voted No, I think it's a decent enough film, but not nearly a great one. Has nothing really to keep it in.

Braindead
A calssic

The Mist
Voted No. Again I think it's a decent enough film, but there's nothing special about it at all. I think the ending bumped it up in a lot of people's estimations ... but not mine.

Bride of Frankenstein
A classic.

Saw
A great low budget film. Some dodgy acting, but that's because of how quickly it was made, a lot of one take scenes.

Poltergeist
Another classic

Fysh

Cactus Col wrote: »

The Mist
Voted No. Again I think it's a decent enough film, but there's nothing special about it at all. I think the ending bumped it up in a lot of people's estimations ... but not mine.

Again, out of curiosity, are we talking B&W or colour version?

As for the ending - I liked the fact that the ending was tonally consistent with the rest of the film, but it didn't change my estimation of the film, just meant that I got to enjoy a conclusion that fit the story rather than being expected to accept a typically-Hollywood "and then everything magically turned out ok" type ending. Honestly, I don't see many people who rate the film purely because of the ending - yes, it's a factor, but most of what made the film very good for me happened throughout the entire narrative, not in the last 4 minutes.

Example - I voted for Saw to stay on the list. When I first watched it, I thought it was a great film badly let down by an ending that felt tacked-on to allow sequels. Personally, I think it would have been far better if they'd committed to the overall story development and had an ending which makes it apparent that none of the characters knew who the Jigsaw Killer was, and that he had manipulated and out-manoeuvred everyone involved & gotten away with it. Nonetheless, a weak conclusion doesn't undo all the things the film got right before it, it just dampens the overall impact slightly.

carbonkid

nedtheshed wrote: »

Contamination (Alien Contamination) while a good splattery movie suffers very badly from the poor transfer.Or maybe its just the print I have.I believe the Anchor Bay release is cleaned up alot?

Copy ive seen is alright condition...its nasty Italian horror, you dont need it in HD or even anything close :P

Cactus Col

Fysh wrote: »

Again, out of curiosity, are we talking B&W or colour version?

As for the ending - I liked the fact that the ending was tonally consistent with the rest of the film, but it didn't change my estimation of the film, just meant that I got to enjoy a conclusion that fit the story rather than being expected to accept a typically-Hollywood "and then everything magically turned out ok" type ending. Honestly, I don't see many people who rate the film purely because of the ending - yes, it's a factor, but most of what made the film very good for me happened throughout the entire narrative, not in the last 4 minutes.

Example - I voted for Saw to stay on the list. When I first watched it, I thought it was a great film badly let down by an ending that felt tacked-on to allow sequels. Personally, I think it would have been far better if they'd committed to the overall story development and had an ending which makes it apparent that none of the characters knew who the Jigsaw Killer was, and that he had manipulated and out-manoeuvred everyone involved & gotten away with it. Nonetheless, a weak conclusion doesn't undo all the things the film got right before it, it just dampens the overall impact slightly.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the film. If it was being shown on Network 2 on a cold thursday night, I'd probably switch it on. But I when I think definitive horror, it just doesn't ring through.

it was the colour version I watched though. I can see the benefits of seeing it in B&W.

You're right about the ending, what stuck with me was being on forums when it was out, or coming out, and there were people banging out about the ending not being typically hollywood. Sometimes these things just stick in my head.

uncleoswald

Prince of Darkness (1987)
Personally I find it JC's creepiest movie and along with In The Mouth of Madness his most underrated. Bags of atmosphere and an ending that I still think of everytime I see a big church like doorway for some reason.

Maniac (1980)
Don't think I've seen it. Will do before the upcoming remake.

Braindead (1992)
A comedy homage to gore. For all the blood and limbs flying about its the simple ear in the soup scene that makes me look away.

The Mist (2007)
The black and white 2 disk version for under €4? You have no excuse.
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/6565882/The-Mist/Product.html

Demons (1985)
Love this movie. It loses its way towards the end but it always remains fun at least. Great last shot.

Zombie Flesh Eaters (1979)
Like a lot of these movies I don't know if I could really defend this movie to someone who doesn't love horror. The acting is ropy and the plot doesn't always make sense but it has an atmosphere that more then makes up for it. The cinematography helps and it contains for me the best fight scene of all time, shark v zombie anyone?

Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
I think people judge this as a campy inferior sequel, probably because of the style of the bride and some of the comedy elements but this would be a mistake. THE classic of gothic horror. Very influential.

Saw (2004)
Not really my cup of tea but I can't deny its been influential to a whole new generation of horror fans. I voted for it to go.

Poltergeist (1982)
Haven't seen it in years. But liked it at the time. Like a lot of horror it loses its way towards the end.

Wolf Creek (2005)
Nice take on an old idea. Nothing really original about it apart from its location. I voted go.

MudSkipper

(041) Prince of Darkness (1987)
Voted yes, not quite as classic as some of John Carpenters other work, still an atmospheric romp. (anyone else notice the similarities in the music he wrote/used in these early movies)

(042) Maniac (1980)
Afraid this didnt do much for me, and has aged badly

(043) Braindead (1992)
well deserved spot

(044) The Mist (2007)
Based on having seen the colour version I voted no..

(045) Demons (1985)
(046) Zombie Flesh Eaters (1979)
Not seen these two (yet)

(047) Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
At least one of the early hollywood monster movies needs to be represented on the list and this is as good as they made them.

(048) Saw (2004)
Voted no. 'torture porn', not my cuppa tea and the sequels it has spawned are just awful

(049) Poltergeist (1982)
Classic, well deserved spot

(050) Wolf Creek (2005)
Another one that just did not do it for me