USI.ie - a reply

mehfesto2

Quote:
Originally Posted by mehfesto2
Pretty sure that's bull****. There are DCU society websites hosted on 365 and there was no problem with them before. It was censored, plain & simple by the looks of it.

Coconutlulz:
Pretty awful censorship, considering I'm in the library and on that site right now. Take it as a given that phaxx, gizmo and Winters know more about DCU's network than you do.

This sounds like another case of Peoplewhodon'thaveacluehowtheInternetorcomputersworkbuttheystillinsistonusingthemforfacebookbecausetheyaretardsitis.





Having been acused of being a retard and having the last thread dragged down by morons, I would just like to clarify a few things.

1. The site WAS blocked until this morning aat about 10am. It would appear that the previous thread caused it to be reopened. I am not the only one to have noticed this and had raised the point with certain colleagues. Please do not speak until you yourself know the facts coconutlulz. It just makes you look silly.

2. Fotosoc's website is also hosted on 365. Given that I've accessed that several times in the past few weeks, but not USIs, I think there's a strong case to be made that USI was the only site blocked for whatever reason.

3. I would hope that The College View would look into this. I would geniunely like to see a bit of prodding into this issue - at least to find out WHY it was done. It seems just ridiculous.

There's no need to drag a thread down. Unless you're trying to hide something.

Hauk

Yeah coconutlulz! :mad: Bitta consideration bud.

Matthewthebig

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by mehfesto2
Pretty sure that's bull****. There are DCU society websites hosted on 365 and there was no problem with them before. It was censored, plain & simple by the looks of it.

Coconutlulz:
Pretty awful censorship, considering I'm in the library and on that site right now. Take it as a given that phaxx, gizmo and Winters know more about DCU's network than you do.

This sounds like another case of Peoplewhodon'thaveacluehowtheInternetorcomputersworkbuttheystillinsistonusingthemforfacebookbecausetheyaretardsitis.

phaxx and gizmo graduated Computer Applications and Winters is a professional web designer.

They know what they are on about.

Rebuttal?

Hauk

lol, u sed butt.

StiLL-TrAiNinG

Hauk

I love how the two in the back are chatting away like there is nothing out of order. Crazy bastards.

Attol

I wish I had a hat as stylish as that

On topic : If a thread is locked generally it's a bad idea to continue the argument in a new thread. It will just get messy again.

Matthewthebig

Matthewthebig wrote: »

phaxx and gizmo graduated Computer Applications and Winters is a professional web designer.

They know what they are on about.

Rebuttal?

Additionally, phaxx and myself have spent time as system and network administrators and you and I are in our final year of CA.

mehfesto2 wrote:

Having been acused of being a retard and having the last thread dragged down by morons, I would just like to clarify a few things.

You do not understand how networking works, yet you insist you know what you're talking about. I accused you of being a retard, and I stand by that.

mehfesto2 wrote:

1. The site WAS blocked until this morning aat about 10am. It would appear that the previous thread caused it to be reopened. I am not the only one to have noticed this and had raised the point with certain colleagues. Please do not speak until you yourself know the facts coconutlulz. It just makes you look silly.

Ironic that you would say this. Earn a degree in computer science or get a job as a sysadmin, then I might take you seriously. Even if you demonstrated a basic, rudimentary knowledge of networking... but no.

The site was not blocked; if it was, it would have been so on all of DCU's proxy servers. Luckily, the tubes have since been unclogged.

mehfesto2 wrote:

2. Fotosoc's website is also hosted on 365. Given that I've accessed that several times in the past few weeks, but not USIs, I think there's a strong case to be made that USI was the only site blocked for whatever reason.

It is extremely unlikely that both sites are hosted on the same server. A single domain name does not mean a single machine, so your point is irrelevant.

mehfesto2 wrote:

3. I would hope that The College View would look into this. I would geniunely like to see a bit of prodding into this issue - at least to find out WHY it was done. It seems just ridiculous.

You are accusing CSD of censoring a website, possibly the only website to be censored by them on the entirety of the Internet. You have no solid evidence, and you are ignoring the consensus opinions of multiple experts who say that you are wrong, and who are willing to explain why you are wrong.

mehfesto2 wrote:

There's no need to drag a thread down. Unless you're trying to hide something.

Oshi...

lil_cain

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by mehfesto2
Pretty sure that's bull****. There are DCU society websites hosted on 365 and there was no problem with them before. It was censored, plain & simple by the looks of it.

Coconutlulz:
Pretty awful censorship, considering I'm in the library and on that site right now. Take it as a given that phaxx, gizmo and Winters know more about DCU's network than you do.

This sounds like another case of Peoplewhodon'thaveacluehowtheInternetorcomputersworkbuttheystillinsistonusingthemforfacebookbecausetheyaretardsitis.





Having been acused of being a retard and having the last thread dragged down by morons, I would just like to clarify a few things.

1. The site WAS blocked until this morning aat about 10am. It would appear that the previous thread caused it to be reopened. I am not the only one to have noticed this and had raised the point with certain colleagues. Please do not speak until you yourself know the facts coconutlulz. It just makes you look silly.

2. Fotosoc's website is also hosted on 365. Given that I've accessed that several times in the past few weeks, but not USIs, I think there's a strong case to be made that USI was the only site blocked for whatever reason.

3. I would hope that The College View would look into this. I would geniunely like to see a bit of prodding into this issue - at least to find out WHY it was done. It seems just ridiculous.

There's no need to drag a thread down. Unless you're trying to hide something.

Or, far more likely, you're sprouting ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one is claiming that the website wasn't blocked. There's piles of reasons why you can misconfigure something and block a website. The fact that you can get to some websites in the same data centre doesn't mean that that isn't the issue.

Seriously, the S.U. has better things to be doing with its time than blocking websites. Even were that not the case, blocking usi.ie would be irredemably stupid on the SU's part, since the College View/Student body wouldn't take that amazingly long to notice, and kick up a fuss. And even if it neither of those were true, ISS/CSD would tell them exactly where to go stick their censorship if the SU asked to have a website blocked for political reasons.

As coconutlulz said, this is quite clearly a case of someone not knowing anything about the internet, and jumping to a conspiracy theories. Someone in ISS/CSD or hosting265 making a mistake is inifinitely more likely than DCU making a crappy attempt to censor a website because it offends the student union's politics.

lil_cain

lil_cain wrote: »

No one is claiming that the website wasn't blocked.

It was blocked, there's just no evidence or motivation for it having been intentionally. I should have been clearer about that in my last post..

Winters

CSD, from when I was in DCU, always had a policy of not blocking sites and saw any blocking as censorship and were opposed to it.

Why anyone would want to block such a silly site anyway? There are a million and one reasons as to why, besides blocking, that the site may have been inaccessible. Routing issues between h365 and HEAnet/DCU or even DNS or proxy problems, and not to mention the possibility that h365 ****ed up and just kept it quiet. Networks don't always just magically work and require constant monitoring and attention.

Not to mention the fact that you seem so paranoid about blocking that it becomes almost like a maggot eating away at your rotting flesh. It says a lot about your obvious fearfulness of any sort of institution if you believe they are going so absolutely out of your way to make such a show and dance about something you have no knowledge or proof of. I have no doubt your tinfoil had is being adjusted as you lean in to read this more, am I a being of omnipresent power who can read your thoughts? Quite possibly.

Your fears of institutions forcing some bizarre and unnecessary censorship on a site which is probably never visited by the vast majority of dcu students anyway is comical to I think just about everyone. The various reasons for a site being inaccessible are long and varied and I would hope someone who has reached the point of a 3rd level education would be so knowledgeable as to not jump to conclusions with the investigative quality of a tabloid journalist from the mirrors 3am girls.

Fly on space kitty.

Choc123

Hold on here, ok so we are accepting now that somebody blocked DCU students from accessing this website, whether accidental or otherwise.
Is it not a little bit suspicious that only this website got blocked considering the sheer and opposition there is "upstairsI (by the way, by upstairs, I mean the place up the stairs in the hub where all the people who have exciting loves spend their days).
Glad somebody spotted this, hope USI find out about it too.

Matthewthebig

Choc123 wrote: »

Hold on here, ok so we are accepting now that somebody blocked DCU students from accessing this website, whether accidental or otherwise.
Is it not a little bit suspicious that only this website got blocked considering the sheer and opposition there is "upstairsI (by the way, by upstairs, I mean the place up the stairs in the hub where all the people who have exciting loves spend their days).
Glad somebody spotted this, hope USI find out about it too.

The site was inaccesible, nobody posting here know why. We just know that CSD/ISS do not censor and that it would be retarded for the SU to do

Urizen

Choc123 wrote: »

by upstairs, I mean the place up the stairs in the hub where all the people who have exciting loves spend their days

As someone who does spend their 'exciting love' up there a bit, this morning was the first I heard of it and I was as surprised as anyone. Nothing to do with any of this.

lil_cain

Choc123 wrote: »

Hold on here, ok so we are accepting now that somebody blocked DCU students from accessing this website, whether accidental or otherwise.
Is it not a little bit suspicious that only this website got blocked considering the sheer and opposition there is "upstairsI (by the way, by upstairs, I mean the place up the stairs in the hub where all the people who have exciting loves spend their days).
Glad somebody spotted this, hope USI find out about it too.

It would be a little bit suspicious if all of the following were true:
A) The 'people upstairs' could block websites (they can't)
The 'people upstairs' were idiots (they're not)
C) The blocking was done competently (It wasn't)
D) Any of the numerous other websites that the 'people upstairs' would object to were blocked (like say, those attacking homosexuals, racists sites, hardcore porn, websites attacking women, threads on boards attacking them).

Seriously. Do you also believe that the US planned 9/11? Because that's marginally less silly.

MonaghanPenguin

careful now, if you keep coming on boards.ie giving out about the SU ithis site will be the next thing blocked.

Seriously I'd love to see the meeting where someone from the SU went to ISS (CSD) and asked them to block any site. They'd be laughed out of the room so hard it'd be great entertainment.

Matthewthebig

lil_cain wrote: »

Seriously. Do you also believe that the US planned 9/11? Because that's marginally less silly.

US is an anagram of SU...

tonemgubz

Hi, if you are from the College View and are reading this it means you havent realised there is not a story yet. This isnt newsworthy, it's just a thread on a forum on the internet. Seriously, why are you still here? Oh and the jacks on the 2nd floor of the henry grattan is used for dogging I hear, people bring their dogs and let them have sex while they use the wifi for free. Put that on page two, unless UCD tells you to say something, then obviously page 3 will be the first available slot

Hauk

Hi,

If the College View is reading this, can you quote me as saying "RABBLE!!11!!11!" and print it in the College View.

K THX.

/me goes back under his bridge.

Green Hand Guy

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by mehfesto2
Pretty sure that's bull****. There are DCU society websites hosted on 365 and there was no problem with them before. It was censored, plain & simple by the looks of it.

Coconutlulz:
Pretty awful censorship, considering I'm in the library and on that site right now. Take it as a given that phaxx, gizmo and Winters know more about DCU's network than you do.

This sounds like another case of Peoplewhodon'thaveacluehowtheInternetorcomputersworkbuttheystillinsistonusingthemforfacebookbecausetheyaretardsitis.





Having been acused of being a retard and having the last thread dragged down by morons, I would just like to clarify a few things.

1. The site WAS blocked until this morning aat about 10am. It would appear that the previous thread caused it to be reopened. I am not the only one to have noticed this and had raised the point with certain colleagues. Please do not speak until you yourself know the facts coconutlulz. It just makes you look silly.

2. Fotosoc's website is also hosted on 365. Given that I've accessed that several times in the past few weeks, but not USIs, I think there's a strong case to be made that USI was the only site blocked for whatever reason.

3. I would hope that The College View would look into this. I would geniunely like to see a bit of prodding into this issue - at least to find out WHY it was done. It seems just ridiculous.

There's no need to drag a thread down. Unless you're trying to hide something.

To weigh in as yet another Computer Applications Graduate and current Masters student in Forensic Computing, coconut is right. This conspiracy thing is ridiculous. Don't get so hysterical about something you clearly don't understand.

Cid-Highwind

MonaghanPenguin wrote: »

Seriously I'd love to see the meeting where someone from the SU went to ISS (CSD) and asked them to block any site. They'd be laughed out of the room so hard it'd be great entertainment.

Exactly. Anything that students want done by CSD goes through an approval process, and that's just totally normal things like domain names and opening ports, even if this was requested there's no way it would be allowed, the University wouldn't be involving itself in any petty USI squabble.

If you liked this story, you may also be interested in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fUG6spgLs

Cid-Highwind

Matthewthebig wrote: »

US is an anagram of SU...

I have found proof of their involvement going back as far as 1945!

andrew163

DOLPHIN AND WHALE!

Winters

Fffuuuuucckkk you dooolpphheeein



Ffuuuuuuuck youuuu whale

barnacle

Hauk wrote: »

Hi,

If the College View is reading this, can you quote me as saying "RABBLE!!11!!11!" and print it in the College View.

K THX.

/me goes back under his bridge.

And quote me as saying "FREE HAUK".

gizmo

Okay so... *deep breath*

First off, as Attol said above, when a thread is locked it usually means that is the end of the matter on the forum. If you want you may PM a moderator and we may discuss the issue with you further. If you ignore this, however, and choose to continue on with a new thread you run the risk of getting banned. More on that later...

Now, the only reason I haven't immediately locked this thread is I want it to serve as a conclusion to this utterly ridiculous issue. First off, thanks to several people who posted on both the original thread and this one, a technical reasoning for the problem has been given. On top of this, a sensible rebuttel has been given as to why neither the SU nor CSD would want the website to be blocked. You have unfortuantely chosen to completely ignore these points and continue insisting that something sinister is going on. Now, for the last time, there is nothing going on here and you are quite clearly trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Let me also add that if there was even a shred of proof that the site was intentionally blocked, even for some god awful and idiotic reason, you'd have some support, certainly in the ranks of those who are currently making fun of the situation. That too should show you how little there is to the situation.

And so, to summarise... As far as this issue on the DCU Forum is concerned the matter is now closed. If you or anyone else try to start a new thread about it you will be banned from the forum, simple as that. Now, if you do still think there is something behind all of this then I encourage you to do a Mulder & Scully and find the truth out there. If you do find anything concrete or worth while then feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to consider reopening the thread. To address your last point, the thread is not being locked in order to "hide something", it is being locked because neither Boards nor this forum will be used as a soapbox for illogical, baseless and indeed pointless speculating which has no purpose other than to cast doubt on an group which you clearly neither trust nor respect.

In the meantime, here's a picture I think you should examine and consider how it relates to this thread/issue...