Now for the next lot.

soden12

We've seen the public sector workers get their comeuppence so it's time to take on another sacred cow in Ireland.

Despite the fact that they are being funded by us taxpayers the bank staff got a 4% rise a few weeks ago. So on top of their 10 -4 job, subsidised loans, attractive defined benefit pension scheme, ability to run development companies on the side and extensive holidays , they get a cherry of a 4% rise when the rest of us are being screwed.

It's time for the Gov to cut their salaries and bring modernisation to them. They've caused this mess with their reckless lending but don't seem to have to pay to clear it up.

gerry28

soden12 wrote: »

We've seen the public sector workers get their comeuppence so it's time to take on another sacred cow in Ireland.

Despite the fact that they are being funded by us taxpayers the bank staff got a 4% rise a few weeks ago. So on top of their 10 -4 job, subsidised loans, attractive defined benefit pension scheme, ability to run development companies on the side and extensive holidays , they get a cherry of a 4% rise when the rest of us are being screwed.

It's time for the Gov to cut their salaries and bring modernisation to them. They've caused this mess with their reckless lending but don't seem to have to pay to clear it up.

I think the next big one should be social welfare fraud.

aurelius79

Ahh, you forgot their 2 hour lunch. 10-12, nice lunch, 2-4. Must be great only having to work 4 hours a day on a nice salary with benefits. I can't even find a job sweeping floors in the local supermarket.

Go to the bank, get all your money out, then burn the damn thing down. (figurativly of course).

hmmm

soden12 wrote: »

It's time for the Gov to cut their salaries and bring modernisation to them. They've caused this mess with their reckless lending but don't seem to have to pay to clear it up.

Most bank staff earn less than 40k a year which is a lot less than the average in the PS. Many had their savings invested in their own banks shares and have seen their savings wiped out. Many are worried as to whether they will have a job next year or a pension to collect in 20 years.

The people working in the branches are usually on crap money and have had to put up with an awful amount of abuse from customers this year. They are the ones who received the pay rise, not the management.

The same senior staff who managed the banks are still there, the Regulators office is still there, there's still a thousand people working in the Central Bank, the Department of Finance is unchanged and banks can still legally give out loans of 6 times peoples salary. Do you think you have your targets right?

Pete4779

hmmm wrote: »

Most bank staff earn less than 40k a year which is a lot less than the average in the PS. ?

Apparently most bank staff work for unprofitable banks and lose money, demanding more from the government. Saving a billion on public sector salaries doesn't mean much when the lousy bank staff need 7 billion to keep running.

killbillvol2

soden12 wrote: »

We've seen the public sector workers get their comeuppence.. .

jimmycrackcorm

Bank workers are interchangeable with public sector workers.

soden12

hmmm wrote: »

Most bank staff earn less than 40k a year which is a lot less than the average in the PS. Many had their savings invested in their own banks shares and have seen their savings wiped out. Many are worried as to whether they will have a job next year or a pension to collect in 20 years.

What is the average wage in the banks ? I see plenty of "poor" bank staff who have second properties in Ireland or abroad. Of course with a 10-4 day they had plenty of time to look around for property.

Other people had savings in shares and no-one gives them a payrise to compensate for the losses ..

hmmm wrote:

The people working in the branches are usually on crap money and have had to put up with an awful amount of abuse from customers this year. They are the ones who received the pay rise, not the management.

The rest of us ordinary joes are losing jobs and the poor bank staff are getting a payrise ? That doesn't make sense. Is it only the non-unionised workforce who has to suffer ?

ardmacha

Bank workers are interchangeable with public sector workers.

Is that so. I am going to change my wife for a bimbo independent young woman from my bank.

dixiefly

hmmm wrote: »

Most bank staff earn less than 40k a year which is a lot less than the average in the PS. Many had their savings invested in their own banks shares and have seen their savings wiped out. Many are worried as to whether they will have a job next year or a pension to collect in 20 years.

The people working in the branches are usually on crap money and have had to put up with an awful amount of abuse from customers this year. They are the ones who received the pay rise, not the management.

The same senior staff who managed the banks are still there, the Regulators office is still there, there's still a thousand people working in the Central Bank, the Department of Finance is unchanged and banks can still legally give out loans of 6 times peoples salary. Do you think you have your targets right?

Any chance of some facts and figures to back up this claim? Are you trying to compare most bank staff with most PS staff or average bank pay with average PS pay? Are you comparing before or after the budget? Are you including bankers bonuses in this?
Be clear in your statements instead of throwing out bland comparisons.

seclachi

So.. your like suggesting a special bank worker tax ? I dont even know where to begin tbh :rolleyes:

The banks are funded by the government, not owned by it, in order to do that they would have to be nationalized. The idea of the bank deals is that we give them money, they give it back with interest, just like any other investment, it doesn't mean we should start dictating how they run their businesses and wonder why they crash and burn when the government implements stupid vendetta policies against them

K-9

Pensions will be the next one. Pensioners marching etc. will have less sympathy next time we need cuts.

Everybody else took the pain so................

0utshined

soden12 wrote: »

Of course with a 10-4 day they had plenty of time to look around for property.

The rest of us ordinary joes are losing jobs and the poor bank staff are getting a payrise ? That doesn't make sense.

If you're going to have a bank rant go ahead, there's plenty to rant about, but most of your points in the OP are incorrect.

To take two, you've mentioned a 10-4 day. Those are the hours a customer can walk in the doors of a bank. That is not the same as staff working hours.

About a pay increase, the only one I've heard of recently was AIB staff for 3% and the Union rep in the Last Word said this was for lower grade staff after the union brought the bank to the LRC. If there's something else that happened let me know.

soden12

AH yes "lower-paid" that's the banks unions version of "Frontline"...

More of the poor mouth,

0utshined

I said "lower grade" not "lower-paid", please don't mis-quote me. Don't know what Frontline is so can't respond on that.

The point I was making is that the things you were complaining about in the OP are mostly incorrect and if you're building your argument on them then it can't stand, instead use examples that would support it.

ardmacha

The point I was making is that the things you were complaining about in the OP are mostly incorrect and if you're building your argument on them then it can't stand, instead use examples that would support it.

Alas, Outshined, that's not how it works in this forum. In the case of attacks on the public service exaggeration and expansion of a grain of truth is par for the course. Bankers can except the same.

Kristopherus

Well, Soden 12, First it was the Public service, now the Bank Staff. Why dont you go find a tree and bring a rope with you while you're at it. You contributions are rubbish.:eek:

ardmacha

At least the Greens would approve of this forum, the rubbish posts are recycled again, and again, and again and .......

K-9

ardmacha wrote: »

At least the Greens would approve of this forum, the rubbish posts are recycled again, and again, and again and .......

Indeed.

Senna

I was going to apply for a job in a bank, the starting wage was less than i was being paid for working behind a bar at the time. Plus the only way to progress in a bank was by passing exams, so i said feck that.

PoleStar

hmmm wrote: »

Most bank staff earn less than 40k a year which is a lot less than the average in the PS. Many had their savings invested in their own banks shares and have seen their savings wiped out. Many are worried as to whether they will have a job next year or a pension to collect in 20 years.

What do you mean "less than 40k", do you mean perhaps 39k, 20 k, what exactly. While the average public sector salary WAS 46k, this was with little prospect for future improvement. Those in banks have the opportunity to climb the ladder etc and earn vast sums of money.

Secondly, how can they be worried about jobs, afterall, although the banks really messed it up for the rest of us, good aul NAMA is there to make sure that those in the banks keep their obs and their nice pay rises.

We also have to remember that the ESRI figures comparing public and private do not take into account bonuses, benefit in kind etc that those in the private sector receive. So its all baloney.

soden12

Kristopherus wrote: »

Well, Soden 12, First it was the Public service, now the Bank Staff. Why dont you go find a tree and bring a rope with you while you're at it. You contributions are rubbish.:eek:

Do you not get it ?

Through incompetence the banks went to the edge of destruction, cried boo-hoo and got billions of our money to help them and gave themselves a payrise while they were at it.

There are people who have suffered massive paycuts or lost their jobs and they are being hassled by bank staff smugly sitting in their warm offices making threatening calls during the few hours that they work.

The banks were bailed out by you & me but they don't want to help their own customers in any way.

DrumSteve

i dont think they sit in their warm offices with a smile on their face thinking, " great, im gonna ring another poor bastard and take his money". thats not the way it works im afraid.

also does anyone see the irony in ps workers giving out about people working 10-4... this debate is going round and round and round. the bank is a privately owned company so technically the can do what they like until the governtment owns majority shares in them. then we can go get our pitchforks and burning torches.

:rolleyes:

average_runner

1. Not all bank staff got the pay rise, very few actually got it.

2. Where did you get the idea that they get 2 hrs lunch?? Anyone i know works in the bank gets in at 8.30 and dont leave till 8.30 that night.

3. If anyone in the banks is to be attacked its the top ones, they are the ones that got the pay rise not the normal staff.

Lawros Tache

soden12 wrote: »

Despite the fact that they are being funded by us taxpayers the bank staff got a 4% rise a few weeks ago. So on top of their 10 -4 job, subsidised loans, attractive defined benefit pension scheme, ability to run development companies on the side and extensive holidays , they get a cherry of a 4% rise when the rest of us are being screwed.

It's time for the Gov to cut their salaries and bring modernisation to them. They've caused this mess with their reckless lending but don't seem to have to pay to clear it up.

What do You work at OP?

muboop1

average_runner wrote: »

2. Where did you get the idea that they get 2 hrs lunch?? Anyone i know works in the bank gets in at 8.30 and dont leave till 8.30 that night.

I have mates that work int he bank, and they are home 15 minutes after their shifts end...

If they are getting paid 10-4, they work ten to 4, if 8 to 8 they are paid 8 to 8....

So I'm sure if your mates are working 8.30 to 8.30 they are well paid for it or have days off or something in lieu.

koplegend

soden12 wrote: »

AH yes "lower-paid" that's the banks unions version of "Frontline"...

More of the poor mouth,

As I work in the public sector I will be off to Newry tomorrow to get all the pressies! Just been checking out the prices. Will probably save enough to stay for a night.
Then back to cater for the needs of the moaners down here.

Such is life!!

neilthefunkeone

To clarify its not all bankers who got payrises.. Must only be the big suits.. My mother works on the desk in a bank, no payrise, works 9 -5.30.. Savings as shares worth f8ck all...

This **** of "all bankers caused the problem" is annoying.. It was the small amount of high level suits in their offices in the docklands..

Dr_Phil

soden12 wrote: »

Despite the fact that they are being funded by us taxpayers the bank staff got a 4% rise a few weeks ago.

1. I haven't seen any pay rise for 2 years. Don't know who got those 4% but it wasn't me or any of people I know in the bank. There will be no pay increses for the whole 2010 and more than likely 2011.

2. Lunch only 1 hour, which is a pure theory. I often spend lunch at my desk with the sandwich doing some work in the meantime. Other breaks? Yeah, 10 minutes in the morning to pop out to the local Spar and grab a can of coke.

3. Famous bonuses, in shares. Can be now used to wipe me ar**



Witch-hunt...again.

king_of_inismac

I've waited a long time before talking about the public sector issue, but this seems like an appropriate forum.

I've worked in both the private and public sector and am currently working in the public educational system. It is SO easy to bash the public sector but at least consider the following:

• Myself, and most of my colleagues, are on yearly contracts with NO job security.
  
• I'm at my desk at 7.45 in the morning and I work as late as is required to finish my work (6pm or later).[/B]
  
• I pay the income levy, pension levy and these new tax increases. I pay a pension levy for a pension I will not benefit from, since I'm a temporary contract worker. I supported the pay cuts because I realise the dire situation the country's finance is in.
  
• I have absolutely NO benefits/allowances/entitlements/expenses. I don't get overtime. I don't get allowances for uniforms, travel, etc and don't expect them.
  
• Last year, I took on extra job in my department and was paid 3000 extra. This year I was asked by my boss to do it for free and I agreed.
  
• 44% of public sector workers are on less than 30,000 a year. Most of us are just getting by.

I've no problem taking a pay cut, but what absolutely sickens me is every time I read a paper or turn on the radio I hear some ill-informed commentator blaming the public sector for the recession. These drastic cuts will save the government 1 billion, and in a few weeks time we'll be "investing" 4 billion into Anglo!

Why do people blame the public service workers? Because it's easy. It doesn't take much thought or analysis. These people don't consider:

• Who caused the property crash? The over-ambitious developers... The reckless banks... and yet its both the public and private PAYE workers who's going to pay the price. Why are we divided against each other?
  
• Who brought in bench-marking? The government. How many private sector workers have refused a pay increase? If it's offered, people will take it.

Please Please Please don't follow the bandwagan!

M

Dr_Phil

king_of_inismac wrote: »

Why do people blame the public service workers? Because it's easy.

Yeah, maybe it's time to talk about the loaded builders, who used to screw us for years, getting incredible money for carrying a bucket of sand from one side of the site to another?? I've heard many stories about overtimes, sleeping on site as Da Boss wasn't around, yeah, why not?

Who knows, maybe they caused the bubble (IMO they are defo part of it) and now are whinging about the bankers and public service?

frman

Why is there talk of who is next ?

Surely we should finish with the Public Servants before we move on.


Reform the PS and smash the unions.

Sleepy

The starting salary for a non-graduate recruit in the banks is less than 20k iirc.

The graduate program starts at something like 25k.

Contrast those with equivalent PS jobs and you'll find they're much lower paid.

koplegend

frman wrote: »

Why is there talk of who is next ?

Surely we should finish with the Public Servants before we move on.


Reform the PS and smash the unions.

The more you take off public sector the less will be spent meaning more jobs lost. People like you just dont get it.
As a PS employee on the average wage I have cut back on all spending. Whereas I used to have lunch in a local cafe I now dont do this. When buying a major item like furniture, tv I look north. I buy all my books from Amazon.
If you people like you persist with this idiotic attitude it merely serves as an inspiration to people like me in a similar position and gives me a sense of enjoyment and an added allegiance to my union.
Walk on !!

koplegend

Havin a great time spending my hard earned here in Belfast.
Wow, what savings! How silly of me not to have been doing this all along.
When they hit the minimum wage next budget, you wont be able to stop the exodus North.

gerry28

frman wrote: »

Why is there talk of who is next ?

Surely we should finish with the Public Servants before we move on.


Reform the PS and smash the unions.

Bitter talk... the war goes on in your eyes then.

What can you do to reform the PS and smash the unions other than rant on an internet forum?

Reform will only happen with the cooperation of the public servants.

Wishbone Ash

frman wrote: »

and smash the unions.

:rolleyes: Silly comments like that give you no credibility. The right to form/join a trade union is enshrined in Article 40 of the Constitution.

Do you think we should 'smash' the tri-colour or the presidency also? :rolleyes:

Dr Phil wrote:

]Yeah, maybe it's time to talk about the loaded builders, who used to screw us for years, getting incredible money for carrying a bucket of sand from one side of the site to another??

In fairness, when people refer to the 'builders', they are talking about developers not the lads actually working on the building sites.