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How long does a Railway Order stand for?

  • 10-12-2009 8:53pm
    #1
    armada104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭


    http://www.rpa.ie/en/news/Pages/MetroWestDesignUpdateNo2.aspx

    RPA are still working on this even though it hasn't a hope in hell of being built any time in the next 5 years. Or quite possibly any time in the next 15. I think it's a good idea to have these things ready to go in case of an upturn as long as the railway order doesn't expire. Can they expire? Suppose I could look it up myself but I'm sure someone here could tell me faster.


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  • #2
    Ham'nd'egger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    armada104 wrote: »
    http://www.rpa.ie/en/news/Pages/MetroWestDesignUpdateNo2.aspx

    RPA are still working on this even though it hasn't a hope in hell of being built any time in the next 5 years. Or quite possibly any time in the next 15. I think it's a good idea to have these things ready to go in case of an upturn as long as the railway order doesn't expire. Can they expire? Suppose I could look it up myself but I'm sure someone here could tell me faster.

    The Railway Order would only be applied for by the RPA (Or CIE for Dar Underground) when they are 100% certain they have the cash funds and will of the Department of Transport behind them. There will be a timescale on the Order but it will be laid down in it's terms when applied for. In the Dunboyne project, seven years was given. What you refer to is work that has to be done as it would be essential planning information for the order and it's hearing.


  • #3
    armada104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭armada104


    Is it not possible though that the the railway order could be applied for in the knowledge that the project wouldn't necessarily go ahead immediately upon permission being granted?

    If CIE or the RPA are instructed by the government to seek planning permission for something and given the funds to do so (e.g. paying staff members to show up at hearings) why wouldn't they? To all intents and purposes that's what's happening with Metro North at the moment.


  • #4
    Victor
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    Typically 5-10 years.

    To a degree it makes sense to apply for all the railway orders in sequence to obtain a benefit from the critical mass of projects and not having to re-invent the design teams every few years.


  • #5
    Ham'nd'egger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    armada104 wrote: »
    Is it not possible though that the the railway order could be applied for in the knowledge that the project wouldn't necessarily go ahead immediately upon permission being granted?

    If CIE or the RPA are instructed by the government to seek planning permission for something and given the funds to do so (e.g. paying staff members to show up at hearings) why wouldn't they? To all intents and purposes that's what's happening with Metro North at the moment.

    In theory yes but in practice no as a massive amount of the capital cost of a project is the legal and planning costs. A Railway Order also provides for CPO of any sites/properties needed so capital costs to follow these through will be needed up front or prior to immediate construction. There is too much work put into an Order for it to be applied for on the off chance; bear in mind professional fees etc.


  • #6
    armada104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭armada104


    Thanks for your response, Ham but it still doesn't match up with what's happening with Metro North at the moment. I assume that the railway order for the interconnector will be applied for at some stage next year and I've read about Dempsey commenting that the two projects should be brought to the stage where they're ready to start construction and that then a decision can be made.


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  • #7
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    armada104 wrote: »
    http://www.rpa.ie/en/news/Pages/MetroWestDesignUpdateNo2.aspx

    RPA are still working on this even though it hasn't a hope in hell of being built any time in the next 5 years. Or quite possibly any time in the next 15. I think it's a good idea to have these things ready to go in case of an upturn as long as the railway order doesn't expire. Can they expire? Suppose I could look it up myself but I'm sure someone here could tell me faster.

    Metro west is still along way off from being read to go to construction. In a couple of years time they might be ready to go in front of the Board


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