PRSI Dental Treatment Benefit Scheme

Wheety

They have also done away with the Dental benefit apart from the free examination.

No more money back on treatments. This is a disgrace and is going to lead to a huge decline in dental health in this country.

Treatment Benefits
In 2010, the entitlements under the Treatment Benefit Scheme will be limited to the Medical and Surgical appliances scheme and the free examination elements of the Dental and Optical Benefit schemes.

That's from this page
http://budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2010/Summary.aspx#SocialWelfare

ntlbell

I thought he said it was only a temp measure and should be re-introduced?

Wheety

ntlbell wrote: »

I thought he said it was only a temp measure and should be re-introduced?

Where did he say that? Although it does say in that it is for 2010. I have work scheduled for the 4th Jan. Will have to move this forward as I don't have the money to pay for the full cost.

It really is petty. Estimated savings are only €58m. They take in billions through PRSI. What will we be paying PRSI for? We won't get any benefit while this cut remains.

ntlbell

Wheety wrote: »

Where did he say that? Although it does say in that it is for 2010. I have work scheduled for the 4th Jan. Will have to move this forward as I don't have the money to pay for the full cost.

It really is petty. Estimated savings are only €58m. They take in billions through PRSI. What will we be paying PRSI for? We won't get any benefit while this cut remains.

he said this morning on Pat kenny it was only a temp measure.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, don't shoot the messenger :pac:

moceri

It is definitely suspended for 2010.

Dannyboy83

Note to Mod
Merge with this thread:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055766062

My answer is available here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63429261&postcount=16

less_than_b

I cant believe this my boyfriend needed serious amount of work done on his teeth and went to a butcher of a dentist who just drilled and pulled teeth left right and center and has loads of work left to be don't some to fix the work this dentist did and now when the dentist are nearly all fully booked for the next few weeks we discover that now the government wont cover his further dental work, we are both on social welfare and can not afford the insane price of dental work in this country, now what is he supposed to do his teeth are in serious need of work he suffers from serious pain and has huge gaps where he is basically unable to chew, What does the government expect him to do when all his teeth fall out and then he defo wont get a job because of his gummed appearance! ok i know im ranting but this is ridiculous like most of his trouble is caused by a bad dentist and he is only 22!!!!!!!!!!

JonnyBlackrock

less_than_b wrote: »

I cant believe this my boyfriend needed serious amount of work done on his teeth and went to a butcher of a dentist who just drilled and pulled teeth left right and center and has loads of work left to be don't some to fix the work this dentist did and now when the dentist are nearly all fully booked for the next few weeks we discover that now the government wont cover his further dental work, we are both on social welfare and can not afford the insane price of dental work in this country, now what is he supposed to do his teeth are in serious need of work he suffers from serious pain and has huge gaps where he is basically unable to chew, What does the government expect him to do when all his teeth fall out and then he defo wont get a job because of his gummed appearance! ok i know im ranting but this is ridiculous like most of his trouble is caused by a bad dentist and he is only 22!!!!!!!!!!

I gave up on Irish dentists ages ago. From my own experience and from people that I talk to it seems that many of them are very incompetent and they charge crazy prices. In addition, I am self-employed and pay a different rate of PRSI (you don't get to choose which kind you pay) and so have never been entitled to any dental cover.
The answer is TO GO TO NEWRY. If you send me a message I'll give you the phone number of the fantastic dentist I go to there. Standard cleaning used to cost me 125 euros in Dublin, and now I pay 25 pounds in Newry.
The people who are supposed to be running this country are so stupid I sometimes can't believe it. Didn't they see that cancelling PRSI dental cover will just send everybody to Newry? And then they say we're not patriotic. Well, they can stuff it. I'll take my custom wherever I like.

Hotblack Desiato

less_than_b wrote: »

we are both on social welfare and can not afford the insane price of dental work in this country

Just as well you get your doctor's bills for free then, isn't it?

starbelgrade

ninja900 wrote: »

Just as well you get your doctor's bills for free then, isn't it?

Are you suggesting that those who cannot afford medical care should be left out of the system altogether? Is it not bad enough that PRSI payments cannot even be used to supplement the cost of dental care?

Kristopherus

For all posters who have work started in 2009 and due to continue in 2010, you are in luck. The Dept have written to all dentists asking them for details as mentioned. Check with your dentist to make sure you are on the list.

spank_inferno

starbelgrade wrote: »

Are you suggesting that those who cannot afford medical care should be left out of the system altogether? Is it not bad enough that PRSI payments cannot even be used to supplement the cost of dental care?

No one should be left out in the cold.

However there is many a PRSI payer who cannot even afford to go to a GP because they have never fallen under the PRSI schemes.

The average GP visit rate for a medical card recipient is about a dozen a year,
Non-medical card user it’s about 2-3 per year.

Count your blessings while you have them and don’t forget those who pay for the privileges you enjoy.


....... but anyway, perhaps the government can compensate for the loss of dental cover by saturating our water with more poisonous Fluoride!!
And I agree with the previous posters regarding the competence of our dental industry.
I think I have my first cavity coming along & I can guarantee it will be filled in NI.

Stark

JonnyBlackrock wrote: »

The answer is TO GO TO NEWRY. If you send me a message I'll give you the phone number of the fantastic dentist I go to there. Standard cleaning used to cost me 125 euros in Dublin, and now I pay 25 pounds in Newry.

I'm sure it's possible to get cleanings for around €30 - €40 from Irish dentists. It's just some are in the practice of ripping people off.

CityCentreMan

I think we should get on to SIPTU in Dublin to organise a bus to Newry like their counterparts in Sligo. We can all do loads of shopping to p$&& off Brian Lenihan and get our own back on rip off dentists at the same time - Double Whammy - What!

JonnyBlackrock

Stark wrote: »

I'm sure it's possible to get cleanings for around €30 - €40 from Irish dentists. It's just some are in the practice of ripping people off.

I'd be very interested if you could find one (that can be trusted not to push unnecessary treatment on you so they can make money out of it). I've been told that the Anne Lane Clinic off Grafton Street are very good. Their website says a standard check up and cleaning is 95 euros.

JonnyBlackrock

Stark wrote: »

I'm sure it's possible to get cleanings for around €30 - €40 from Irish dentists. It's just some are in the practice of ripping people off.

I went to the dentist in Newry yesterday as a large lump broke off one of my back teeth last weekend.
I had a huge reconstructive filling - the kind that have to be done with a band put round the tooth, and it came to 60 pounds. He said that as the cavity is so near to the nerve the filling might not work and then I'll have to get a root canal, which costs 150 pounds. In Dublin root canals are at least 400 euros.

witchgirl26

I found out about this from my mam. I would have been eligable (without the hassle of sorting out college credits) from the first Monday in January. I've written emails to all my local TD's and Brian Lenihan & Brian Cowen about what a disgrace I think this is. While my local TD's were helpful and supportive, I'm rather suspicious about the email I got back from Brian Lenihan. It was sent just as it was announced he was in hospital...hmmm.

Anyway talked to the lovely people in Social Welfare & they said that if I can get the dentist to date the D1 form in December & sign off & send it in then I might be covered. It's a lot of hassle & I had to try and get an appointment for today as I need fillings & the difference between going private & PRSI is just massive.

JonnyBlackrock

witchgirl26 wrote: »

I found out about this from my mam. I would have been eligable (without the hassle of sorting out college credits) from the first Monday in January. I've written emails to all my local TD's and Brian Lenihan & Brian Cowen about what a disgrace I think this is.

I agree entirely that this is a disgrace. This is not a welfare handout, it is something that people PAY considerable amounts of money for.

When you write to TDs and other vegetables, please don't forget to say that you won't hesitate to take your custom to the North (and do a nice bit of shopping at the same time). That way, they might realise how stupid they've been (some hope).

witchgirl26

JonnyBlackrock wrote: »

I agree entirely that this is a disgrace. This is not a welfare handout, it is something that people PAY considerable amounts of money for.

When you write to TDs and other vegetables, please don't forget to say that you won't hesitate to take your custom to the North (and do a nice bit of shopping at the same time). That way, they might realise how stupid they've been (some hope).

I didn't forget that at all. Also put in how much I've claimed in my 24 years from the state which isn't a lot at all.

I'm not taking my custom up North for the simple fact that I have a fear of dentists & the one I'm with here is really good at helping me deal. It's the only reason I'm staying. Also had to tell them that I will have to pay €4,000 in the near future for dental surgery which I might not get the tax back on. There's a lot of work involved over a long period so would cost me much more going up to the North.

I've heard back from most of them - one of my TD's told me he completely agreed with me & had voted against it, another said that he had made representations on my behalf to Mary Hanafin.

blues2

update here and looks like if you register work to be done now you can get it treated next year.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/taxpayers-told-time-is-running-out-for-claiming-free-dental-care-1980636.html

Gus99

Went for teeth-cleaning today, and was told that because some plaque was under the gum ie harder to get at, I would need to come back a 2nd time, and this would not be covered under PRSI (regardless of the Indo article). I am going to be charged € 85 for this.:mad: Dental industry really is a licence to print money, the fees need to be tackled by government.

starbelgrade

JonnyBlackrock wrote: »

I am self-employed and pay a different rate of PRSI (you don't get to choose which kind you pay) and so have never been entitled to any dental cover.
The answer is TO GO TO NEWRY. .

Newry - the only town in NI where dentists operate from?

Anyhow - sh*t like this would really make you wonder what the hell PRSI is for.

JonnyBlackrock

starbelgrade wrote: »

Newry - the only town in NI where dentists operate from?

Anyhow - sh*t like this would really make you wonder what the hell PRSI is for.

Indeed.
Of course Newry isn't the only town in NI with dentists. It's just the nearest one to Dublin.

amen

since I have been payinf prsi for 20+ years If I need some dental work next year could I argue "reasonable expection" that the state would pay as that was what my prsi contributions were ? After all if sitting TDs can argeu this for no salary decreases or changes to their pension agreement can a regular tax payer not argue the same?

Eliot Rosewater

Gus99 wrote: »

Went for teeth-cleaning today, and was told that because some plaque was under the gum ie harder to get at, I would need to come back a 2nd time, and this would not be covered under PRSI (regardless of the Indo article). I am going to be charged € 85 for this.

I suppose everytime you went to brush your teeth the government came along and held a gun up to you and forced you to let your teeth get so bad you would need such dental treatment?

Gus99 wrote: »

Dental industry really is a licence to print money, the fees need to be tackled by government.

Why? It costs a lot of money to run a dental practice, and it takes a lot of intelligence and education to become a dentist. If you dont feel the fees are worth it dont go, because no ones forcing you to. Or heres a radical idea: train yourself as a dentist and offer lower prices. See how long you can survive.

But wait - this is politics, where taking a proactive approach is out of style. Better to get the Government to enforce ones ideas on different sectors of society.

JonnyBlackrock

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Why? It costs a lot of money to run a dental practice, and it takes a lot of intelligence and education to become a dentist. If you dont feel the fees are worth it dont go, because no ones forcing you to. Or heres a radical idea: train yourself as a dentist and offer lower prices. See how long you can survive.

Are you a dentist?

HoldenDanger

less_than_b wrote: »

I cant believe this my boyfriend needed serious amount of work done on his teeth and went to a butcher of a dentist who just drilled and pulled teeth left right and center and has loads of work left to be don't some to fix the work this dentist did and now when the dentist are nearly all fully booked for the next few weeks we discover that now the government wont cover his further dental work, we are both on social welfare and can not afford the insane price of dental work in this country, now what is he supposed to do his teeth are in serious need of work he suffers from serious pain and has huge gaps where he is basically unable to chew, What does the government expect him to do when all his teeth fall out and then he defo wont get a job because of his gummed appearance! ok i know im ranting but this is ridiculous like most of his trouble is caused by a bad dentist and he is only 22!!!!!!!!!!

Twenty-two? At such a young age would it not be more likely that such extensive problems have been caused by self neglect rather than the damage caused by one dentist?

starbelgrade

JonnyBlackrock wrote: »

Indeed.
Of course Newry isn't the only town in NI with dentists. It's just the nearest one to Dublin.

I'd never have guessed.

ghost_ie

moceri wrote: »

It is definitely suspended for 2010.

And will probably be abolished in 2111 on the grounds that very few people got dental work done in 2010. It won't be mentioned that with the suspension of the scheme, no one could afford to get their teeth seen to

nesf

spank_inferno wrote: »

The average GP visit rate for a medical card recipient is about a dozen a year,
Non-medical card user it’s about 2-3 per year.

Eh, source?

Gus99

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Why? It costs a lot of money to run a dental practice, and it takes a lot of intelligence and education to become a dentist. If you dont feel the fees are worth it dont go, because no ones forcing you to..

Thanks for this helpful and constructive suggestion, obviously people shouldnt go the doctor also if they think the fees are very high :rolleyes:

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Or heres a radical idea: train yourself as a dentist and offer lower prices. See how long you can survive..

I guess I can't have an opinion on (eg) politician expenses, solicitor fees, garda allowances etc as the answer is simply that I should have become a politician, solicitor, garda

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

But wait - this is politics, where taking a proactive approach is out of style. Better to get the Government to enforce ones ideas on different sectors of society.

Prices are coming down in most sections of society, but little evidence among professionals services such as doctors, dentists, solicitors etc. Sometimes the market needs a helping hand

green123

According to the department, some dentists had made appointments for patients without contacting them, unaware that some were deceased.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dentists-accused-of-making-claims-for-dead-patients-1985714.html

Daithi07

Lets get this straight. I go to dentist twice a year for check up and clean that is (was) covered by my stamps. I due a check up and clean this month and now have to pay:eek: or is this basic treatment still covered

Valmont

re: decline in dental health in Ireland. This latest move doesn't surprise me at all.

I have paid 650 euro in PRSI this year that I could have spent on getting my smashed up teeth fixed. I have had bad experiences with dentists ripping me off for bad work in the past so I have decided to shelve my teeth until I am in a better job in a few years. Of course, if I quit my job and go on the dole my PRSI will be well spent but heaven forbid I get something back while still in employment:rolleyes: All the while, one of my workmates has voluntarily cut her hours back to keep the Jobseeker's benefit and is now receiving rent allowance for her new place. Once again, the incentive is to be an unproductive member of society. Goodness, this country is broken.

I would clench my teeth in rage but they don't fit together anymore.

slimjimmc

Daithi07 wrote: »

Lets get this straight. I go to dentist twice a year for check up and clean that is (was) covered by my stamps. I due a check up and clean this month and now have to pay:eek: or is this basic treatment still covered

Bring some dosh with you on both your visits. You get one annual examination free, everything else (2nd exam + both cleanings) you pay.

emerald-eagle

JonnyBlackrock wrote: »

I gave up on Irish dentists ages ago. From my own experience and from people that I talk to it seems that many of them are very incompetent and they charge crazy prices. In addition, I am self-employed and pay a different rate of PRSI (you don't get to choose which kind you pay) and so have never been entitled to any dental cover.
The answer is TO GO TO NEWRY. If you send me a message I'll give you the phone number of the fantastic dentist I go to there. Standard cleaning used to cost me 125 euros in Dublin, and now I pay 25 pounds in Newry.
The people who are supposed to be running this country are so stupid I sometimes can't believe it. Didn't they see that cancelling PRSI dental cover will just send everybody to Newry? And then they say we're not patriotic. Well, they can stuff it. I'll take my custom wherever I like.

Hi there

any chance of the name & nbr for that dentist in Newry? Need to get a filling replaced & dentists in Dublin are trying to charge me extortion for it...

dean21

my dentist send in claim for the PRSI last october even though i did not get my teeth done till January so that was fraud
They are a rip off. They look for a hole in you tooth, they drill it out and fill it or else they take it out, so it is not rocket science

Stark

dean21 wrote: »

my dentist send in claim for the PRSI last october even though i did not get my teeth done till January so that was fraud

No it's not. There was a grace period until March 31st for treatments scheduled before the end of the year.

dean21

dean21 wrote: »

They are a rip off. They look for a hole in you tooth, they drill it out and fill it or else they take it out, so it is not rocket science

Out of interest what do you do for a living ?

dean21

Stark wrote: »

No it's not. There was a grace period until March 31st for treatments scheduled before the end of the year.

It was fraud. I did not get my teeth checked till december, and they put the claim in stating the treatment was completed with an october date on it.

Stark

You said January in your previous post, now it's December?

dean21

Stark wrote: »

You said January in your previous post, now it's December?

got checkup in december 2009
Got fillings during January 2010
But they claimed the money from the state in October 2009 and put on the form that all treatment was completed in October
What they did was enter me in to a contract with the state and they falsified information on that contract.
That is what dentist in Ireland does with PRSI system due to greed
Just to add to this I asked the dept to go back 2 year and give me the date when the claim were made and they were all made before treatment was completed.
I was told by the dental association of Ireland that a dentist can be struck off for doing this also.