Day of action against Irish Independent

Notice::: This thread is not for jealous private sector workers, but for ordinary decent low paid public sector workers.
If you have been reading the Irish Independent lately then you would have noticed a vicious campaign to blacken the names of all public servants. Articles from Eilish O'Hanlon, Ciara Kelly and the despicable Fionnan Sheehan has accused public servants of taking strike days to do shopping, gardai are all millionaires etc. They are turning on their fellow citizens who care for their sick relatives, educate their children and protect them from criminals.
These articles seem to be prompted from Dublin Castle. Its a sorry state of affairs to think that this once great paper is the mouth piece of this sorry groups of ministers. There is no objectivity. I lay the blame at the door of their political chief Fionnan Sheehan. He loves being on the box spouting his cuts cuts cuts philsophy, He only sees figures and not the impact on individual people. He must be a failed teacher or failed nurse or garda. He is definitely holding a grudge
I propose a day of action when on one particular day all public servants boycott the independent. I would be interested to hear your thoughts
( No time wasters from the Private sector)

Zynks

I am in the private sector, but have to agree that there is some sort of campaign going on. Most of the leaks and opinions seem to be driven towards a divide and conquer objective. I hope people in the PS will remember how good FF is being at the next elections.

wes

Marcc wrote: »

Notice::: This thread is not for jealous private sector workers, but for ordinary decent low paid public sector workers.

Marcc wrote: »

( No time wasters from the Private sector)

So what your saying is that private sector workers are not decent. Do you think insulting a whole bunch of people is going to help your cause? Normally, I would be sympathetic, but I don't like being insulted for no good reason.

This adversarial attitude does not help your cause, and will only result in the people who you are insulting to go against you.

southie

wouldn't buy the independant anyways check it out online from time to time but if my fish and chips came wrapped in it i would ask for a refund.. They tar us all with the same brush, apparently we all have massive pensions, jobs for life and of course massive pay. Worst thing is the amount of idiots taking their word as gospel.

oscarBravo

Moved from Politics.

nerophis

Marcc wrote: »

Notice::: No time wasters from the Private sector

That's probably buying into the generated divide.

There's certainly an agenda in the Indo- in fact it's hard to credit how biased the paper is against the public sector. Perhaps they forget that the majority of public sector workers can read and are capable of putting their hand in their pocket and purchasing the same paper (because they have so much money). If you believe their agenda most public sector workers also have plenty of time to do so whilst working. Something doesn't stack up if you deliberately set out to alienate such a large sector of the market.

Pay cuts have happened in the media- so I believe- a lot of revenue lost from advertising a now non-existent property market being one of the culprets. Because of this the likes of Sheehan had a pay cut, and because every single person in Ireland is either a public sector worker or works in the media then everybody must have have had a pay cut in the private sector. Sir Dr Tony's scion pulling the agenda in the corner to protect those poor unfortunate millionaires who don't make quite as much money as they used to and are very happy to persist with non-resident status or paying a paltry 20% of their income in tax thank you very much.

My personal solution is to permanently stop buying any product from Independent media- forever. I would similarly propose to extend this permanent ban to giving any Fianna Fail candidate, or one from their gene pool, in any election more than a twenty fourth preference (given that opportunity).

DeVore

There clearly is a divide and conquer appraoch going. Thats because parts of the public sector NEED to be conquered.

Since the PS insists on all standing together, and in fact the top heavy big earners use the "lower paid decent public sector workers" (who I absolutely agree exist and shouldn't be demonised) as basically Human Shields in order to foster a "all of us together" mentality.

What the Public Sector needs to do is split into "frontline" and "others" and then let the government hang the "others" out to dry. We all know it needs doing, the HSE more then any of them.

Stop standing shoulder to shoulder with the bloated over paid middle-management and make them the identifiable target. Stop threatening sector wide strikes if they are targetted and let the government fire some of them and cut others.

The PS needs to become lean and trim. Differentiate yourselfs into "fat" and "muscle" and then make sure they cut the fat.


DeV.

irish_bob

im not a religous man but all i can say is , thank god for independant newspapers

delop

You know in this Democracy we have, you Don't have to read anything you don't want to....

What kind of action are you proposing ?

I don't think that any editor would publish continually any content that he/she felt would not be digested by their regular readers.. And what upset PS workers seem to forget when they talk about all the hard work done by the 'Frontline' workers, is that we all went to school, we know exactly what teachers are like, We have all had dealings with Gardai, public hospitals and the Civil servants etc

On a slight aside, Ive often felt when reading boards.ie and politics.ie and other forums that there was a heavy weighting of PS workers commenting compared with Private service, that of course was different on the last day of action when the forums were ghost towns... I wonder would blocking these sites improve productivity much?

And finally its impossible to have a discussion about reforming even the smallest part of the PS, without All the vested and non vested interests weighing in...

The Gov could argue that benchmarking was offered to get more efficiencies and modern practices introduced in the PS and as that never happened the increments should be taken back until the Gov gets its side of the deal...

mike65

Classic public sector mentality to be honest. "Boo hoo they're out to get us"

meditraitor

Marcc wrote: »

Notice::: This thread is not for jealous private sector workers, but for ordinary decent low paid public sector workers.
If you have been reading the Irish Independent lately then you would have noticed a vicious campaign to blacken the names of all public servants. Articles from Eilish O'Hanlon, Ciara Kelly and the despicable Fionnan Sheehan has accused public servants of taking strike days to do shopping, gardai are all millionaires etc. They are turning on their fellow citizens who care for their sick relatives, educate their children and protect them from criminals.
These articles seem to be prompted from Dublin Castle. Its a sorry state of affairs to think that this once great paper is the mouth piece of this sorry groups of ministers. There is no objectivity. I lay the blame at the door of their political chief Fionnan Sheehan. He loves being on the box spouting his cuts cuts cuts philsophy, He only sees figures and not the impact on individual people. He must be a failed teacher or failed nurse or garda. He is definitely holding a grudge
I propose a day of action when on one particular day all public servants boycott the independent. I would be interested to hear your thoughts
( No time wasters from the Private sector)

Have they printed any lies when looking at the PS?

jackthekipper

irish_bob wrote: »

im not a religous man but all i can say is , thank god for independant newspapers

And Brendan O'Connors lucid articles on property.

Wess I'm not worried about insultingthe other half of the population cos we never had your support anyway.

meditraitor

Marcc wrote: »

Wess I'm not worried about insultingthe other half of the population cos we never had your support anyway.

But your happy to be in our pocket!

That's rubbish Delop, They use that argument to justify their agenda, Just because people buy it doesn't mean they agree, People buy out of habit. Lets send them a signal, On the 16th of Dec make a conscious effort to buy the Examiner or the times.

delop

Marcc wrote: »

That's rubbish Delop,

That may be true, but Ive been far more worried about the tabloids , but again, I don't like them so I just ignore 'em

Good point, But do they print lies... lets say they print facts that can not be verified easily, Eilish O'Hanlon in the sunday indo made sweeping statements about cars packed with public servants. I'm a teacher so straightaway I have lost half of you. I'll be dismissed as lazy. How can I be online in these forums when I'm at work??? I'll tell you I contractly didn't have to start to day until 10.25, But I got to work at 9.00pm like every other worker in the state. I repaired printers for the school etc. All of which I'm technically not paid to do, since the Govt axed my B post. I also work on the evening supervision (unpaid) which I'm not supposed to do according to my union guidelines. So here I am again justifying myself because i'm a PS worker. And finally I love when parents give out about strike days.... Cos we are not babysitters!!!

meditraitor

meditraitor wrote: »

But your happy to be in our pocket!

Sure am... If you don't want to pay for PS. Lets see what happens when you need a nurse or a garda or a council worker or a carer for your elderly mother..

But what about this day of action. Where should I go to get this show on the road and get some momentum

Jumpy

Marcc wrote: »

Sure am... If you don't want to pay for PS. Lets see what happens when you need a nurse or a garda or a council worker or a carer for your elderly mother..

To be fair, you probably wouldnt notice any difference.

Jumpy

Jumpy wrote: »

To be fair, you probably wouldnt notice any difference.

good point I always enjoy a bit of humour...but seriously when the children are gone to bed then we'll have a real conversation:P

irish_bob

jackthekipper wrote: »

And Brendan O'Connors lucid articles on property.

by far the biggest sinner at independant newspapers when it came to property was john o keefe , i will openly admit that this charlatan slimeball makes my skin crawl

ps , im not a huge fan o brendan o connor either whos whole career has been built on obnoxiousness and im not talking in terms of public sector debate , his articles are simplistic for the most part , i do however rate elis o hanlon , ruth dudley , alan ruddock especially , john drennan , declan lynch , daniel o something or other is good too

Morlar

Marcc wrote: »

Irish Independent lately then you would have noticed a vicious campaign to blacken the names of all public servants. Articles from Eilish O'Hanlon, Ciara Kelly and the despicable Fionnan Sheehan has accused public servants of taking strike days to do shopping,

In relation to one of the points in the op - on the 'day of action' traders in newry marked a significant increase in trade - this fact was also reported by RTE so I doubt that qualifies as 'anti public sector bias' from the Independent.

Jumpy

Marcc wrote: »

good point I always enjoy a bit of humour...but seriously when the children are gone to bed then we'll have a real conversation:P

Who was being humourous?

questioner

Public Sector workers? whinging about pay cuts? I'm a university graduate, forced into postgraduate education i can neither afford nor want to do. I did everything the teachers(public sector) told me to do, received not a penny from the county council(public sector) am paying fees this year as even though I had been on the dole but didn't qualify because my parents made rhe mortal sin of working for a living and now you want to go and march.

Tell you what, you go and march and keep on marching right off this island. I and thousands like me will do your jobs and we will be glad to have them.

Can you explain to me how a central administration can need the same amount of staff when the economy has contracted by almost 15%?

Whens our march by the way? when is everyone who was told to go to college and then told to buy a plane ticket, when are we marching?

In deflationary economic times when last years 100 euro is now worth €107 you still want your benchmarking?

you should be ashamed of yourself. Tell you what, at christmas time why dont you give your children a big fat millstone of debt and tell them to carry that around there neck for the next 40 years, oh excuse me i forgot, thats what your doing.

r3nu4l

Got to admit, I agree totally with DeVore on this one. The frontline lower paid PS workers need to recognise when they are being used by their bloated, over-paid middle management. The frontline are nothing but pawns doing xactly what their masters tell them, without question...open your eyes and help the Independent (can't believe I just said that, I hate the Indo) to oust the fat cats.

questioner

marcc c,

you neednt answer this but is it true that a university graduate going from st pats with a primary degree and their dip in education will be on almost €38,000 a year? Im fairly sure it is true and to be honest I'd fix a fair amount of printers for that kind of money. of course all those holidays must be a pain in the *ole as well.

imme

irish_bob wrote: »

im not a religous man but all i can say is , thank god for independant newspapers

I don't like the Indo group. The Indo itself was tabloid long before it became a tabloid. The style of the Indo is reductive. I don't think they have any foreign staff left [exceptions of Robert Fisk who writes for them, not sure if he's employed by them or just contributes; Nicholas Leonard who writes from London], they get all their foreign and increasingly national news from syndicated sources. It is not quality.
The Sindo tries to be all things to all, and it still is in love with Bertie.

As a media group they an 'ugly' line in their own truth.

I can't speak for the OP but think he was having a little joke when he said that non-PS staff should not contribute to this thread.

imme

irish_bob wrote: »

by far the biggest sinner at independant newspapers when it came to property was john o keefe , i will openly admit that this charlatan slimeball makes my skin crawl

I agree with you Irish Bob, (has this happened before:eek::D) this guy is disgusting and still appears on TV and radio. He has a very 'ugly' nature.:mad:

pistolpetes11

questioner wrote: »

marcc c,

you neednt answer this but is it true that a university graduate going from st pats with a primary degree and their dip in education will be on almost €38,000 a year? Im fairly sure it is true and to be honest I'd fix a fair amount of printers for that kind of money. of course all those holidays must be a pain in the *ole as well.

Im self employed myself but things like this really get on my nerves !!!
If a University Graduate who has done a 4 year degree is getting paid well then so be it , they deserve it.

There is a lot more to them just working there 22 hours a week, I know a few teachers and there working week is more along the line of 50 hours a week(Lesson Plans,Corrections,Practical Prep,School Activities,Sports Activities,Extra help for weak students, extra work for the Junior/leaving certs)

And for that Kind of money as you put it there would be a lot more to be done than just fixing a few printers , you dont seem to get the bigger picture of what a Teacher does.

And if you think the holidays are "a pain in the *ole as well" you obviously dont understand that they are paid on a Pro Rata basis.

If you think teaching is such a well paid and rewarded Job then why didnt you go and get a Job doing it then ???

Sure its easy job is it not ? I know I would not be able to do it .

Back on Topic, I think the Indo is really trying to stir up the Public Sector V Private Sector because controversy sells, and I think its very wrong what they are doing and I for one wont be picking up an Indo for the foreseeable future.

pistolpetes11

questioner wrote: »

Public Sector workers? whinging about pay cuts? I'm a university graduate, forced into postgraduate education i can neither afford nor want to do. I did everything the teachers(public sector) told me to do, received not a penny from the county council(public sector) am paying fees this year as even though I had been on the dole but didn't qualify because my parents made rhe mortal sin of working for a living and now you want to go and march.

Tell you what, you go and march and keep on marching right off this island. I and thousands like me will do your jobs and we will be glad to have them.

Can you explain to me how a central administration can need the same amount of staff when the economy has contracted by almost 15%?

Whens our march by the way? when is everyone who was told to go to college and then told to buy a plane ticket, when are we marching?

In deflationary economic times when last years 100 euro is now worth €107 you still want your benchmarking?

you should be ashamed of yourself. Tell you what, at christmas time why dont you give your children a big fat millstone of debt and tell them to carry that around there neck for the next 40 years, oh excuse me i forgot, thats what your doing.

The millstone of debt will have nothing to do with the Public Sector, although NAMA is another issue entirely

jimmmy

If anyone is talking about boycotting, how about the private sector boycotting their payments to the public sector ? It is the private sector who are the unpaid collectors of vat, income tax etc for the government. The private sector pays these taxes to the govt, who spend it on expenditure like public sector pay. Why should the private sector worker continue to work harder, with less sickies, less security, immeasurely worse pension, less pay etc than the public sector ?

flogen

If you have a problem with the Irish Independent's editorial line why boycott it for a day? Why don't you just stop buying it altogether?

OldJay

Marcc wrote: »

Notice::: This thread is not for jealous private sector workers, but for ordinary decent low paid public sector workers

Boy oh boy, the Irish love our 'us-and-them' tribal wars, don't we? :rolleyes:

imme

I'd be all for boycotting the Indo. The better reason not to buy it would because not of it's political line, (we should all read papers we agree and disagree with, it might infuriate to read papers we disagree with, but it broadens the mind:rolleyes:) but because of it's accuracy, trustworthiness, quality of reporting.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

This 'us and them' mentality is ludicrous no doubt
Its the constant whinging by every other profession that gets to me, on one like nurses, no one likes guards, no one like solicitors, no one likes plumbers etc etc

FFs, we all live on this little island and all want to earn a crust, and if times are hard, which they obviously are, STOP WHINGING about not getting your own way and threatening to throw all your toys out of the pram

Also, must be said that anyone I have spoken to in the public sector IS happy to have a job and are willing to take a little cut if necessary. Unfortunately these people are always less vocal...

soden12

jimmmy wrote: »

If anyone is talking about boycotting, how about the private sector boycotting their payments to the public sector ? It is the private sector who are the unpaid collectors of vat, income tax etc for the government. The private sector pays these taxes to the govt, who spend it on expenditure like public sector pay. Why should the private sector worker continue to work harder, with less sickies, less security, immeasurely worse pension, less pay etc than the public sector ?

How about the average worker boycotting the crooks who've screwed us over the years ?

- the banks,
- the plumbers,
- the sparkies,
- the pubs,
- the "established" taxi drivers,
- the builders,
- the non-taxpaying landlords,
- the doctors,
- the dentists,
- the solicitors,
- the estate agents,
- the property supplements,
- anybody who had their suv written-off against tax,

granturismo

Marcc wrote: »

I propose a day of action when on one particular day all public servants boycott the independent. I would be interested to hear your thoughts
( No time wasters from the Private sector)

A day of action is a waste of time, dont but it full stop, because it has evolved into a tabloid in format and content. It is in the same stable as the Sunday World and Evening Heddeld. The question is why would you buy it in the first place?

nerophis wrote: »

My personal solution is to permanently stop buying any product from Independent media- forever. I would similarly propose to extend this permanent ban to giving any Fianna Fail candidate, or one from their gene pool, in any election more than a twenty fourth preference (given that opportunity).

My point has already been made.

McArmalite

So, Sir O'Reilly's toilet paper is attacking the small man/woman ? WHAT THE HELL IS NEW ?

sceptre

Marcc wrote: »

These articles seem to be prompted from Dublin Castle.

I boycotted Dublin Castle that day instead. I hope I'm still in for the raffle.