Your opinion please.

time lord

I work for an enforcement section of a large local authority.

After our last few court appearances we have been told to take into account peoples ability to pay before chasing fixed penalty defaulters through the courts.

At court we are winning but not getting costs and the fixed penalty fine ammount has been reduced to about one sixth.

On the face of it people are better off going to court its cheaper for them and definately they shouldn't pay the fixed penalty.

This has happened on the last three court sittings. The word is spreading locally in the towns and things may definately get worse before they get better.

I went through the appeals/waiver ledger today and a significant number of people waivered were some of the worst offenders. The comments section by management just said "waiver/ non ability to pay"

I would be interested to read any comments or opinions. Although I feel frustrated I havn't formed and opinion on the situation yet.

Thanks in advance.

freefromgov2009

time lord wrote: »

I work for an enforcement section of a large local authority.

After our last few court appearances we have been told to take into account peoples ability to pay before chasing fixed penalty defaulters through the courts.

At court we are winning but not getting costs and the fixed penalty fine ammount has been reduced to about one sixth.

On the face of it people are better off going to court its cheaper for them and definately they shouldn't pay the fixed penalty.

This has happened on the last three court sittings. The word is spreading locally in the towns and things may definately get worse before they get better.

I went through the appeals/waiver ledger today and a significant number of people waivered were some of the worst offenders. The comments section by management just said "waiver/ non ability to pay"

I would be interested to read any comments or opinions. Although I feel frustrated I havn't formed and opinion on the situation yet.

Thanks in advance.

on those fixed penalty notices why does it not say bill, why would you pay a notice for something , imagine you are in having a lovely meal and at the end the waitor said here is your notice, would you pay or ask for a bill. it seems to me that people would rather ask for one and that is all thats needed because it very soon goes away, ask yourself why does it happen ?why do people ask for a bill? a bill is to a man and will be signed by another man, a notice is for a person, and they hope you will contract before any of this enters your free thinking mind, they also threatin people with court or a higher fine. but if you pay you are agreing to be seen as a person in law and not a man. thats what happens when your government are sold into a corporation, welcome to fascist ireland

Victor

Then present that evidence in court.

"Judge, the accused has 23 tickets for nuisance parking* in the last 3 years. No other person in the county is that bad. We have waived 10 of those previously, however, the accused hasn't improved and we now have 5 offences over the last 3 months, all of which were following complaints from different members of the public and one from the cleansing department after the were unable to access a cul-de-sac on bin day. With respect, the accused is thumbing their nose at the law and needs to be punished sufficiently to change behaviour.


* I'm speculating.

time lord

Victor wrote: »

Then present that evidence in court.

"Judge, the accused has 23 tickets for nuisance parking* in the last 3 years. No other person in the county is that bad. We have waived 10 of those previously, however, the accused hasn't improved and we now have 5 offences over the last 3 months, all of which were following complaints from different members of the public and one from the cleansing department after the were unable to access a cul-de-sac on bin day. With respect, the accused is thumbing their nose at the law and needs to be punished sufficiently to change behaviour.


* I'm speculating.

We dont do any parking as the five or so traffic wardens look after that end.

I.m just concerned that all carrot and no stick might not be the best way to educate or change peoples ways for the better.

freefromgov2009

Victor wrote: »

Then present that evidence in court.

"Judge, the accused has 23 tickets for nuisance parking* in the last 3 years. No other person in the county is that bad. We have waived 10 of those previously, however, the accused hasn't improved and we now have 5 offences over the last 3 months, all of which were following complaints from different members of the public and one from the cleansing department after the were unable to access a cul-de-sac on bin day. With respect, the accused is thumbing their nose at the law and needs to be punished sufficiently to change behaviour.


* I'm speculating.

No other person in the county is that bad, thats the important part, why do they not say man?

Victor

freefromgov2009 wrote: »

No other person in the county is that bad, thats the important part, why do they not say man?

And women and children?

Maximilian

freefromgov2009 wrote: »

on those fixed penalty notices why does it not say bill, why would you pay a notice for something , imagine you are in having a lovely meal and at the end the waitor said here is your notice, would you pay or ask for a bill. it seems to me that people would rather ask for one and that is all thats needed because it very soon goes away, ask yourself why does it happen ?why do people ask for a bill? a bill is to a man and will be signed by another man, a notice is for a person, and they hope you will contract before any of this enters your free thinking mind, they also threatin people with court or a higher fine. but if you pay you are agreing to be seen as a person in law and not a man. thats what happens when your government are sold into a corporation, welcome to fascist ireland

They are I imagine, notifications of the imposition of a fine. You don't get those at restaurants as far as I'm aware.

No more of this crackpot nonsense if you please.

Tom Young

I've banned that user.