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Alcohol how much does it impact?

  • 08-12-2009 06:34PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 703 ✭✭✭


    Aiming for the Limerick City Marathon in May, anyway I had assumed that 2 or 3 drinks before a run would be ok, but heard yesterday that even one drink the night before a run has a significant negative impact, is this true?.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Filan wrote: »
    Aiming for the Limerick City Marathon in May, anyway I had assumed that 2 or 3 drinks before a run would be ok, but heard yesterday that even one drink the night before a run has a significant negative impact, is this true?.

    I have a glass of red wine the night before a major race.

    2-3 drinks - not a great idea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 703 ✭✭✭Filan


    and is wine less damaging than beer ? Im concerned not just about before a race but a night before training?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭nomadic


    The biggest impact with training is not being arsed doing it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭jinka


    I find a pint of Guinness every night has no affect and doubt a couple of beers has any issue unless you are a total wimp of course:).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    Filan wrote: »
    Aiming for the Limerick City Marathon in May, anyway I had assumed that 2 or 3 drinks before a run would be ok, but heard yesterday that even one drink the night before a run has a significant negative impact, is this true?.

    I gave up drinking 7 years ago now(was playing football and cycling back then, not running)and the difference it made was colossal. I felt fitter, stronger and generally more happy in life.
    My advice would be, give up alcohol completely for 6 months and see what happens to your training, your race times and your body fat levels. I guarantee you'll never drink again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Drink is grand in moderation. Keeps you normal. I find if you make too many sacrifices then when you have your bad (running) days or phases that it can seem not worth the sacrifice and get you down. Take it easy on the booze in the run up to big races, don't do the dog when you go out (well not all the time, still good to do the dog every so often) and don't train if you are badly hungover.

    As regards before a race, give a couple of beers a go before a session or lesser race sometime and see how it goes.

    If you can limit the physical effects then the mental benefits of having a blowout every so often are worth it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    Tingle wrote: »

    If you can limit the physical effects then the mental benefits of having a blowout every so often are worth it.

    As Homer Simpson would say "Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭RedB


    Filan wrote: »
    Aiming for the Limerick City Marathon in May, anyway I had assumed that 2 or 3 drinks before a run would be ok, but heard yesterday that even one drink the night before a run has a significant negative impact, is this true?.

    The impact of drinking on me seems to be severalfold:
    • Dehydration
    • Not enough quality sleep => feel tired, not fresh
    • Motivation affected
    • Quality / Enjoyment of run affected due to above
    I sure as heck enjoy a few drinks every now and again but find now that I don't want to have them as often as I used to. Middle aged, so maybe that's slackened my thirst somewhat but most of it seems to be just not wanting to feel the aftereffects the following day. If there's a specific function or event then I'm up for it but not every week and not when I've got a priority training run or race the following day(s).

    One drink should be ok.

    +1 on most of Tingle's post - not sure on keeping you normal :)
    +1 on Tunny's post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,525 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    I'm not as serious a runner as most, but I wouldn't let drinking influence/interrupt my training. If I'm out for a few beers, I will try to organize the pints or the training schedule so they don't clash. If that doesn't work, the thoughts of doing a training session the next day will often temper the amount of alcohol/water I consume and what time I get home. Worst case, I won't do the training session until late the next evening.

    Life is too short for total abstinence. I did give up the beer for a month before my last marathon and lost about 5 or 6 lbs as a consequence (and probably around 5 minutes), so I will be repeating this temporary abstinence. But until then, beer + running = happy krusty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭chez-moi


    I keep spilling mine when running. Maybe the should release Guinness with a sports cap. LOL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    I don't really drink. It has nothing to do with athletics/triathlon though. I subscribe to the Tingle approach though and would think, if you enjoy a couple of pints, why deny yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    prices just gone down too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    I enjoy odd drink myself and as college student have the odd mad nite but try to keep these few and far between. Have been given some of advice from Nutrition seminars and that but before anyone calls me a hippocrit just want to clarify this is information i was given i dont adhere to it so i cant comment on the all the science behind it:

    1) three drinks is supposed to have as bad a negative influence on your health to the equivilant of nulifying the benefits of a very hard training session

    2)training the next day should not be done until alcohol is no longer in your system as this is converted to influence the acidic level of the blood in the body much like lacatic acid.

    This second point seems to be plausible as alcohol (ethanol) is a by product of the anaerobic so as such the creation of lactic acid creates alcohol which gives same effects of hard training session at the start of your training


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭Rio 2016


    Make a decision. You running or your pints. you cannot expect to have it both ways when you are puting that kind of **** into your system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Rio 2016 wrote: »
    Make a decision. You running or your pints. you cannot expect to have it both ways when you are puting that kind of **** into your system.

    The likes of Coghlan etc did have it both ways based on his book. The story he tells of his senior debut for Ireland in European Cup or something in Germany. The legend that is Fanahan McSweeney took Coghlan under his wing and they hit the town the night before the competition. They broke curfew naturally and were hauled up and caught with the management furious. There were only 2 Irish winners on the track the next day and both had hangovers!! I may have got this story wrong but if I did its still a great story.

    While I would never say to a young college age athlete to drink if they don't want to, I really do believe you need balance as I said already. It does depend on your personality of course and if someone is not into drinking etc then its easy, but if someone is young, in college, training hard, racing hard, is naturally outgoing and enjoys the banter of the pub and the messing and craic etc then a few beers is good. Some kids can get very intense and its all or nothing or its forced on them to be all or nothing and thats dangerous. I firmly believe that you can do both especially in college. One of my biggest drinking buddies in college became an Olympian.

    If you are an athlete in college and don't drink then you miss one of the greatest thrills you are likely to have in college as an athlete - The Walking Home From The Pub Hammered Grand National Style Hurdle Over The Garden Hedges Race. Giddy up. Keep an eye out for the barbed wire hidden in some garden hedges. If no hedges, use bins. Traffic cones can be placed on heads for extra resistance. Keep eye out for the Gardai on this one, they don't like it for some mad reason.

    You might gather I am passionate about this. It stems from my massive distrust of people who go to pubs and don't drink. If someone does that I can't trust them in the pub or in life (sorry Hunnymonster!).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭limericklion


    Tingle wrote: »
    The likes of Coghlan etc did have it both ways based on his book. The story he tells of his senior debut for Ireland in European Cup or something in Germany. The legend that is Fanahan McSweeney took Coghlan under his wing and they hit the town the night before the competition. They broke curfew naturally and were hauled up and caught with the management furious. There were only 2 Irish winners on the track the next day and both had hangovers!! I may have got this story wrong but if I did its still a great story.

    While I would never say to a young college age athlete to drink if they don't want to, I really do believe you need balance as I said already. It does depend on your personality of course and if someone is not into drinking etc then its easy, but if someone is young, in college, training hard, racing hard, is naturally outgoing and enjoys the banter of the pub and the messing and craic etc then a few beers is good. Some kids can get very intense and its all or nothing or its forced on them to be all or nothing and thats dangerous. I firmly believe that you can do both especially in college. One of my biggest drinking buddies in college became an Olympian.

    If you are an athlete in college and don't drink then you miss one of the greatest thrills you are likely to have in college as an athlete - The Walking Home From The Pub Hammered Grand National Style Hurdle Over The Garden Hedges Race. Giddy up. Keep an eye out for the barbed wire hidden in some garden hedges. If no hedges, use bins. Traffic cones can be placed on heads for extra resistance. Keep eye out for the Gardai on this one, they don't like it for some mad reason.

    You might gather I am passionate about this. It stems from my massive distrust of people who go to pubs and don't drink. If someone does that I can't trust them in the pub or in life (sorry Hunnymonster!).


    What a ridculous and prejudice statement to come out with. Your claim that athletes who do not drink are non trust worthy is an insult to all of those on this forum who do not drink. Coughlan was not drunk get your facts right, he had one or two drinks to relax. By the way you describe it he was drunk going into the race. Not only are you in favour of anti social behaviour you glorify alcohol like Hitler glorified the Aryan race. There is no such thing as superiority and if there were such a thing been straightedge and alcohol free would always be better than been a social drinker. Also Coughlan was not drunk going into the race get your facts right, he had one or two beers which contain less percentage of alcohol than shots etc. Your glorification of alcohol is greatly misplaced in my view and there are many elite athletes out there who do not drink ie C Ronaldo, Floyd Mayweather, Lance Armstrong, THE Kenyans, Galen Rupp the list goes on and on. Straightedge is the way to go


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    Not only are you in favour of anti social behaviour you glorify alcohol like Hitler glorified the Aryan race.

    Oh dear oh dear, whats the name of that law again?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    04072511 wrote: »
    Oh dear oh dear, whats the name of that law again?:rolleyes:

    Godwin's Law :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    What a ridculous and prejudice statement to come out with. Your claim that athletes who do not drink are non trust worthy is an insult to all of those on this forum who do not drink. Coughlan was not drunk get your facts right, he had one or two drinks to relax. By the way you describe it he was drunk going into the race. Not only are you in favour of anti social behaviour you glorify alcohol like Hitler glorified the Aryan race. There is no such thing as superiority and if there were such a thing been straightedge and alcohol free would always be better than been a social drinker. Also Coughlan was not drunk going into the race get your facts right, he had one or two beers which contain less percentage of alcohol than shots etc. Your glorification of alcohol is greatly misplaced in my view and there are many elite athletes out there who do not drink ie C Ronaldo, Floyd Mayweather, Lance Armstrong, THE Kenyans, Galen Rupp the list goes on and on. Straightedge is the way to go

    I was going to go to bed but I've decided to open another beer and reply. I was only having a bit of craic. I'm not glorifying anti-social behaviour but I will say that when you are young, enjoy it. Where you ever young yourself? Did you ever do something drunk when you maybe shouldn't have? I'm not talking GBH or breaking into cars, I'm talking living a little, not being a prude, being young, letting the hair down, going crazy once in a while.

    As for the trust, again, thats a bit of craic, I have many friends who don't drink. I said that as a joke.

    As I said, I am not saying all college kids should drink, what I am saying is that if they do like a beer and having a bit of craic then to deprive them of that can be counter-productive. There will be lads who will do the dog on it and they'll have to be reigned in but the vast majority will just go out, have bit of craic and be safely tucked up in bed.

    You say straighedge. It depends on the houseowner and how diligent they are in their garden and an un-even hedge can wreak havoc when you are tiring. Seriously though, people who abstain are great and I respect them and you believ thats the way to go and thats fair enough and I respect that, I'm saying if someone wants to have a beer, let them have a beer, if someone doesn't want to have a beer, thats cool. Maybe we can discuss sometime over a beer. Or to prove who's theory is right I will challenge you to the Walking Home From The Pub Hammered Grand National Style Hurdle Over The Garden Hedges Race. I will allow you to be stone cold sober, I will have a feast of Guinness finished off with a few Jameson. Whoever wins is right!

    On a serious note again I'm not condoing excessive drinking of alcohol or abuse. If I did or seem I did, I apologise.

    But the intensity of young athletes sometimes gets me down. Its all about times, splits, training, diet blah, blah. There is more to life (and athletics) than that. You need to be able to enjoy. Its a massive social sport and that can manifest itself off the track too. Thats more where I am coming from. I see kids deprive themselves when young (19-22) and they could be enjoying themselves a little more, finding a balance. It'll help them when they get older.

    Have all discussions here to be deadly serious? If so, I apologise.

    Edit: When I say young athlete, I mean 19-22.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    Not only are you in favour of anti social behaviour you glorify alcohol like Hitler glorified the Aryan race.
    04072511 wrote: »
    Oh dear oh dear, whats the name of that law again?:rolleyes:
    Godwin's Law :pac:

    :D Classic example !


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    I think it is peoples own decision but but it is our duty as athletes to promote all disciplines of the sport and by condemning alcohol we are depriving athletes of finding their talent in beer mile which i feel that every runner must try once in their life its a memorable experience:p

    For anyone who does not know the rules to this
    4 laps of track
    bottle or can of beer before the start of everylap and can only begin your lap once the drink is empty
    penalty lap and drink for throwing up


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    ecoli wrote: »
    bottle or can of beer

    Are we talking 33cl?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the weight gain due to useless calories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    tunney wrote: »
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the weight gain due to useless calories.

    Fat stores come in handy when in hour 7 of a marathon ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭ultraman1


    Tingle wrote: »
    Are we talking 33cl?
    thats for the novices.....real athletes do it wit a two litre


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Magnet


    I met John Mutai (Kenyan) after he won Belfast marathon and he said the one and only time he drank was after the Great north Run - Didn`t like it at all and wouldn`t be trying it ever again!! :p
    I have drank before marathions 1 or 2 is enough to relax with but anymore I`d be drunk/dehydrated/looking for more!!!
    November is my month for drinking and I must say Ive put on 3/4 stone in that time so maybe there are empty calories in there somewhere?!?! :rolleyes:
    Back to my ribena now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Magnet


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    Magnet wrote: »
    oops forgot this link.......

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    Deffo, I'd be up for that!! Been doing plenty of training lately :D Well of the drinking alcohol sort anyway...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Why I love Faris Al Sultan, former IM world Champ.
    He brings 6 packs of erdinger to interviews........
    And at the end of races....

    faris.th.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭christeb


    Magnet wrote: »
    oops forgot this link.......

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