No print out from hand held speed gun

redhugh

I was recently pulled over and told i was speeding (i wasn't even 10 % above the limit) the Garda just showed me the gun and said that was the speed i was doing. (i should have checked the gun to see if the time and date were correct for all i know that could have been recorded 10 minutes before i arrived)
Am i not supposed to get a print of what the speed gun recorded i.e. exact time and date of alleded offence?
He didnt even write me up a ticket, it was just a case of on your way it will be in the post.

alias no.9

No, you're not entitled to anything. You'll get the ticket in the post.

Anan1

What was the speed limit? What speed do you think you were doing? And what did the gun say?

Henry Ford III

You could ask for the calibration cert. for the gun I suppose.

Paulw

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You could ask for the calibration cert. for the gun I suppose.

Yeah, when you get to court, and then have 4 points applied to your license.

AGS don't have to carry the calibration cert with them when out.

By law, it is always assumed that they are calibrated correctly.

peasant

Paulw wrote: »

Yeah, when you get to court, and then have 4 points applied to your license.

AGS don't have to carry the calibration cert with them when out.

By law, it is always assumed that they are calibrated correctly.

Whatever about the gun recording the correct speed in the first place ...but how can you be protected from a transcription error during processing without a printout?

You could get recorded doing 130 but fined for doing 150 because somebody made a typo, for example

TheNog

redhugh wrote: »

I was recently pulled over and told i was speeding (i wasn't even 10 % above the limit) the Garda just showed me the gun and said that was the speed i was doing. (i should have checked the gun to see if the time and date were correct for all i know that could have been recorded 10 minutes before i arrived)
Am i not supposed to get a print of what the speed gun recorded i.e. exact time and date of alleded offence?
He didnt even write me up a ticket, it was just a case of on your way it will be in the post.

The speed gun is calibrated every 2-3 months and it will not work if it isnt calibrated or if there is something wrong with it. Also the recorded speed shown on the gun stays on the screen for just a few minutes before the screen goes into standby mode (goes blank).

peasant wrote: »

Whatever about the gun recording the correct speed in the first place ...but how can you be protected from a transcription error during processing without a printout?

You could get recorded doing 130 but fined for doing 150 because somebody made a typo, for example

It wouldnt really matter if the fine was paid by the driver accepting the penalty but it would matter if it came before a judge. The difference in speeds between the correct one and a mistaken one could mean a higher fine. However the mistake would have to be made when the Garda is writing down the speed into his notebook as it is from the notebook the Garda gives his evidence from.

cadaliac

But (S)he "could" make a mistake when writing in the notebook couldn't (S)he?

high horse

I've often wondered about this. Why is the Gard's word taken as gospel in this situation? I'm not saying any member of AGS has any reason to lie about it but in situations like the harassment case in Donegal there should be some form of indisputable evidence like a printout or photograph

biko

I guess that if you're getting harassed then you can bring the speeding case to court.
For a once-off offence, just pay up. I been caught twice, both times actually speeding.

If everyone claimed the gun wasn't working properly then it'd clog up the courts with motor cases, most of whom were speeding but are looking for a way out/payback.

TheNog

cadaliac wrote: »

But (S)he "could" make a mistake when writing in the notebook couldn't (S)he?

He or she could make that mistake and that is why it is best practice to show the speed to the driver.

high horse wrote: »

I've often wondered about this. Why is the Gard's word taken as gospel in this situation? I'm not saying any member of AGS has any reason to lie about it but in situations like the harassment case in Donegal there should be some form of indisputable evidence like a printout or photograph

What happened in Donegal was a completely different thing. Nothing to do with speeding at all.

Magnus wrote: »

I guess that if you're getting harassed then you can bring the speeding case to court.

I a person feels they have been harassed dont let a speeding offence go to court because the Judge will have no interest in hearing it. The driver would be summonsed to court and thats all the Judge will deal with. There other means to complain of harassement such as via the Ombudsman.

peasant

TheNog wrote: »

He or she could make that mistake and that is why it is best practice to show the speed to the driver.

Fat lot of good that does to you when you receive the fine/ court order in the mail weeks later for a speed you know you didn't do ...since you have no receipt/printout.

Hoffmans

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You could ask for the calibration cert. for the gun I suppose.

They (fianna foul) changed the laws a few years back ,cops dont have to prove their equipment was calabrated or in pwo just their word will do in court
i recently wrote a report on speedguns , there are many different factors that can affect a speed reading and many ways to avoid being " wrongly convicted" of speeding..........

Seth Brundle

redhugh wrote: »

I was recently pulled over and told i was speeding (i wasn't even 10 % above the limit) the Garda just showed me the gun and said that was the speed i was doing. (i should have checked the gun to see if the time and date were correct for all i know that could have been recorded 10 minutes before i arrived)
Am i not supposed to get a print of what the speed gun recorded i.e. exact time and date of alleded offence?
He didnt even write me up a ticket, it was just a case of on your way it will be in the post.

What's the 10% got to do with it?

Hoffmans wrote: »

They (fianna foul) changed the laws a few years back ,cops dont have to prove their equipment was calabrated or in pwo just their word will do in court
i recently wrote a report on speedguns , there are many different factors that can affect a speed reading and many ways to avoid being " wrongly convicted" of speeding..........

1. Although it was the government who passed the legislation, I hope that you wrote the correct party for the person who wrote the particular piece of legislation - Michael McDowell of the PDs!
2. what are these factors and have you any examples of how they have worked in the Irish courts?

Honey-ec

peasant wrote: »

Fat lot of good that does to you when you receive the fine/ court order in the mail weeks later for a speed you know you didn't do ...since you have no receipt/printout.

They don't even have to show you the readout or even the gun itself, as I found to my detriment in the not-too-distant past.

mondeo

I have been down this route before of arguing a speed reading I ultimately believed I did not do and it done f all... Garda refused to allow me to see the footage from the camera van and told me very smartly that there was nothing I could do about it, I was itching to see if the laser aimed at my car was slipping and for all I know it could have been. Couldn't afford a solicitor back then so I paid the micky mouse fine of 9km over the limit in a 60 zone out near blessingon lakes. Have yet to drive that stretch of road again since that incident:mad:, I use to love driving that stretch on a Saturday morning now theres a stigma attached to it for me. Made me feel like emigrating to the U.K where the system is more approachable.

redhugh

kbannon wrote: »

What's the 10% got to do with it?

AGS dont normally pull someone for going 1 Km/h over the marked speed limit, there is sort of a 10% tolerance on it (unwritten of course)

redhugh

high horse wrote: »

I've often wondered about this. Why is the Gard's word taken as gospel in this situation? I'm not saying any member of AGS has any reason to lie about it but in situations like the harassment case in Donegal there should be some form of indisputable evidence like a printout or photograph

i definitly agree here
AGS after a hit & run washed all the evidence off the road then tried to fit up a few local men for murder and continually harrassed & intimidated their families for over a 2 year period

AGS Planted drugs in a nightclub which resulted in the prop serving years in jail and didnt get early release like killers rapists & paedos whilst his business went down the pan

AGS Found a bomb & took it back to their family homes and made 2 smaller bombs then planted one of them accross the border and tipped of the RUC to get credit for cross border corporation etc etc

yes why is a Garda's word taken as gospel when they are up to stuff like this

Seth Brundle

redhugh wrote: »

AGS dont normally pull someone for going 1 Km/h over the marked speed limit, there is sort of a 10% tolerance on it (unwritten of course)

Most might not pull you over but some may well do so.
You cannot assume that you are entitled to a 10% leeway!