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feast of immaculate conception

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  • 07-12-2009 10:37pm
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    pathway33
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    Anybody apart from Roman Catholics celebrating the feast of the immaculate conception tomorrow?


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    LordSutch
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    Not that I'm aware of.


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    Slav
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    Only some of de facto catholics who are not in full communion with Rome like Old Catholics and Anglo Catholics but still not all of them.


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    kelly1
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    Slav wrote: »
    Only some of de facto catholics who are not in full communion with Rome like Old Catholics and Anglo Catholics but still not all of them.
    Huh?

    The feast of the Immaculate Conception is a holy day of obligation in Ireland and probably all over the world!


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    Graces7
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    See

    http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2009/12/8th-december-feast-of-immaculate.html

    kelly1 wrote: »
    Huh?

    The feast of the Immaculate Conception is a holy day of obligation in Ireland and probably all over the world!

    So, true, but just now am fasting from mass. Like many.


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    PDN
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    kelly1 wrote: »
    Huh?

    The feast of the Immaculate Conception is a holy day of obligation in Ireland and probably all over the world!

    Er, maybe you should have read the OP before answering? The question was about anyone other than Roman Catholics celebrating the day.


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    Fanny Cradock
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    PDN wrote: »
    Er, maybe you should have read the OP before answering? The question was about anyone other than Roman Catholics celebrating the day.

    Happens to the best of us :S


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    kelly1
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    PDN wrote: »
    Er, maybe you should have read the OP before answering? The question was about anyone other than Roman Catholics celebrating the day.

    Oops, thanks for pointing that out. :o


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    jackthekipper
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    Also don't alot of people get the immaculate conception and the virgin birth mixed up?


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    wolfsbane
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    jackthekipper wrote: »
    Also don't alot of people get the immaculate conception and the virgin birth mixed up?
    Yes, some think it refers to the immaculate conception of Jesus, which is Biblical, but it actually refers to the Roman Catholic dogma that asserts the immaculate conception of Mary, the mother of Jesus.


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    janeeen
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    where in the bible dose it say immaculate conception of mary?


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    wolfsbane
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    janeeen wrote: »
    where in the bible dose it say immaculate conception of mary?
    It doesn't. That is another of Rome's pagan inventions (the term they use is Tradition). All part of the Mother Goddess myth. No wonder some Muslims think the Christian Trinity is the Father, Mary and Jesus. :(


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    Graces7
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    Reported this post as grossly offensive to Catholics here .
    wolfsbane wrote: »
    It doesn't. That is another of Rome's pagan inventions (the term they use is Tradition). All part of the Mother Goddess myth. No wonder some Muslims think the Christian Trinity is the Father, Mary and Jesus. :(


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    wolfsbane
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Reported this post as grossly offensive to Catholics here .
    No problem. I find many things grossly offensive to me, but others are perfectly entitled to hold them.


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    Fanny Cradock
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    wolfsbane wrote: »
    It doesn't. That is another of Rome's pagan inventions (the term they use is Tradition). All part of the Mother Goddess myth. No wonder some Muslims think the Christian Trinity is the Father, Mary and Jesus. :(

    Let's try tone it down there a bit! You can make your points in a way that wont cause offence.


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    Dark_lord_ire
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    thats not in the least bit offensive. If i was to open up on the whole immaculate conception you lot would tell me to burn in hell :D. But out of live and let live everyone is entitled to their beliefs as long as they dont push on others.


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    postcynical
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    wolfsbane wrote: »
    It doesn't. That is another of Rome's pagan inventions (the term they use is Tradition). All part of the Mother Goddess myth. No wonder some Muslims think the Christian Trinity is the Father, Mary and Jesus. :(

    This is certainly an instance where Rome is divided from the rest of the church. As I understand it, the teaching comes as a logical consequence of Mary being free from sin coupled with the (speculative?) theory of original sin. I'm surprised this teaching is dogmatic as the reasoning is not quite convincing. It's not fundamental to my faith so not too important, but is fundamental to my church's claims of infallibility.

    I read elsewhere that some Orthodox Christians also believe that Mary was without sin, but reject this dogma on the basis that if God had "designed" Mary to be free from sin, then this undermines her fiat. This argument is very powerful IMO. While the two can be reconciled, surely the focus should be on Mary saying "Let it be done according to thy word", rather than on her predisposition to hear this Word.

    As for the Muslims, I understand that many sects in the near East venerate Mary and some Christian churches have survived in these regions in part because of local Muslim marianism, especially amongst expectant mothers.


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    Slav
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    postcynical wrote: »
    I read elsewhere that some Orthodox Christians also believe that Mary was without sin, but reject this dogma on the basis that if God had "designed" Mary to be free from sin, then this undermines her fiat.

    I think the main objection from the Orthodox side would be undermining of Incarnation and Atonement: if God can create a sinless human then there would be no need in Christ.

    So although it's not a dogma the Orthodox still believe that Theotokos did not sin however not because of her own special "design" but only because of her bond with Christ and God's care about her. As for her human nature it is no different from ours.


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