NFL Draft 2010

frostie500

I know its a bit early but its a preemptive move so as not to have the college football thread jacked up with talk on the prospects that decide to declare for the draft this year.

The big news today was Notre Dame's junior reciever Golden Tate and qb Jimmy Clausen declaring for the draft. Has to have been the smartest thing for both guys because with Charlie Weis getting fired they would have had to learn a new offensive system for next season as seniors would have made it tough to improve their stock for next year compared to their stock now

tallaghtoutlaws

frostie500 wrote: »

I know its a bit early but its a preemptive move so as not to have the college football thread jacked up with talk on the prospects that decide to declare for the draft this year.

The big news today was Notre Dame's sophmore reciever Golden Tate and qb Jimmy Clausen declaring for the draft. Has to have been the smartest thing for both guys because with Charlie Weis getting fired they would have had to learn a new offensive system for next season as seniors would have made it tough to improve their stock for next year compared to their stock now

Very good move by both. Tate is a Junior also :D

eagle eye

I'm personally predicting that Clausen could go no.1 and will deffo be the first QB off the board.

LuckyLloyd

Yeah, sad to see the pair of them go, they've been explosive the last couple of years. Their stock is probably as high as it can go right now, and with the possibility of a 2011 Rookie contract cap they would be taking huge personal risks by staying for a Senior year - and it isn't worth it given the coaching situation.

eagle eye

Well the Rookie cap would be unlikely to affect Tate but his stock could only fall if he stays another season with a new QB and Floyd back for the Irish.

themont85

Watched some of that DT for Nebraska Suh, my ****in God he is a monster, looked the best from all the guys I've seen this year (honestly not a lot..).

frostie500

themont85 wrote: »

Watched some of that DT for Nebraska Suh, my ****in God he is a monster, looked the best from all the guys I've seen this year (honestly not a lot..).

Yeah the guy was increadible all year. Great performence on Saturday which hopefully will have been noticed by the Heisman voters

Chucky the tree

Top 10 draft as it stands, lots of potential coinflips. No sight of Tim Tebow either eagle eye, sorry.

1. Bucs - DT, Suh is nailed on here imo if they stay number 1
2. St Louis Rams - QB, Clausen/Locker seems the top QB's.
3. Browns - Quinn coming along pretty we'll QB doesn't seem a huge need now. So many holes not sure what they will do
4. Detroit Lions - They need help on DT and OT, they should go BPA here. Okung or McCoy
5. Washington Redskins - QB, while Campbell has rallied well he is too hit and miss.
6. Chiefs - Again, so many holes.
7. Raiders - Need a RT and a DT so Al will probably draft a safety.
8. Bills - OT, they could do with a QB but not much point havign a QB and no LT.
9. Titans - If one of the elite DT is still available I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and fill the Hayneworth hole.
10. Seahawks - If one of the top QB's drop this far they might just go for it.

TheHeadhunter

Toby Gerhart for Heisman! I hope he gets a shot as a running back in the NFL and doesnt get moved to TE or FB just because he is white.

Hynzie

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Titans - If one of the elite DT is still available I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and fill the Hayneworth hole.

Maybe mount Cody? He'd fill a hole alright!

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Top 10 draft as it stands, lots of potential coinflips. No sight of Tim Tebow either eagle eye, sorry.

1. Bucs - DT, Suh is nailed on here imo if they stay number 1
2. St Louis Rams - QB, Clausen/Locker seems the top QB's.
3. Browns - Quinn coming along pretty we'll QB doesn't seem a huge need now. So many holes not sure what they will do
4. Detroit Lions - They need help on DT and OT, they should go BPA here. Okung or McCoy
5. Washington Redskins - QB, while Campbell has rallied well he is too hit and miss.
6. Chiefs - Again, so many holes.
7. Raiders - Need a RT and a DT so Al will probably draft a safety.
8. Bills - OT, they could do with a QB but not much point havign a QB and no LT.
9. Titans - If one of the elite DT is still available I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and fill the Hayneworth hole.
10. Seahawks - If one of the top QB's drop this far they might just go for it.

I lol'd

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

I lol'd

He will draft Tebow haha Just because Tebow is a big athlete.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

He will draft Tebow haha Just because Tebow is a big athlete.

Tbh I could see that actually being a good move. They have a littany of good running backs there and are pretty well set up to go wildcat if they wanted to.
Could you just imagine it with McFadden, Bush and Fargas?

Personally I hope whoever they draft that they have a bad 2010, I hate to wish bad on a team but the worse they do the better for the Patriots.

Royal Seahawk

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

He will draft Tebow haha Just because Tebow is a big athlete.

Could do worse.

Really hope the Seahawks draft a QB. I love Hasselbeck but he is just too much of a liability injury wise. While he has been a great servant it's time to start looking for a future QB and what better time that the 2010 draft, some top class propects there.
Seattle have the Bronco's first round pick aswell so maybe a trade up is a possibility.

Chucky the tree

no way Al drafts a QB this year, he's far to stubborn to admit he made a mistake with JR so he'll keep him on. Not only that but Al always preferred getting in Veteran QB's and getting them to do the job. If Grad keeps doing a decent job until the end of the season then he'll definitely be kept on and will be given the chance to do a Rich Gannon on it. If not I wouldn't be surprised if we go after Jason Campbell assuming the skins do go the QB route, he's a FA this year afaik.

The good thing is the team is actually looking quite solid in most positions so I'm struggling to see how even Al can **** this draft up, but he still will. We're set at WR, RB, TE, CB(starters anyway), safeties, LT, LG, UT, punter and kickers (no fan should ever have to stratch thos off a first round potentials :pac:). We desperatly need a RT and a NT. If we keep Ellis and Seymour we're good at DE since we have some decent young players to fill in, Trevor Scott(moved to WLB against the Steelers) and Matt shaugnessy. I wouldn't be surprised if we got 3-4 next year if a big NT is available in the draft, with Tommy Kelly and Seymour as DE. If we lose either ellis or Seymour and all the good NT our gone then a DE like carlos dunlop would probably be the pick. Although a MLB wouldn't be bad either.

_Buck Rogers

Chucky the tree wrote: »

1. Bucs - DT, Suh is nailed on here imo if they stay number 1

I wonder if suh will be moved to DE, he's quick an agile enough anyway

LuckyLloyd

Hynzie wrote: »

Maybe mount Cody? He'd fill a hole alright!

Cody has a lot of work to do before I think he's decent value in the top 10. He just isn't an every down NT at this point and - while he looks like he will be tremendous against the run - his mobility (or lack thereof) makes life easier on the opposing QB.

Chucky the tree

Yes, I meant to comment on cody but my raiders rant go in the way. Some stats from a few of his games show he's only played in 43% of defensive snaps. He has tremdous potential but no way is that worth a top 10 pick.

maharg92

i think that is the best player coming out this year is Suh he is just unbelievable and i'm a bucs fan so i actually hope we continue losing to get the no.1 pick so we can get him because theres not really much point beating a few teams now and ending up like 3-13 when if we get him he could make a big difference on D which we really need to sort out

davyjose

You think the Bucs don't need a QB? Tbh, when rebuilding a team I'd start with the offense and take it from there. Bucs don't have a worthy QB IMO.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

You think the Bucs don't need a QB? Tbh, when rebuilding a team I'd start with the offense and take it from there. Bucs don't have a worthy QB IMO.

They drafted Josh freeman in the first last year, crazy to do it two years in a row. And from what I've seen he has done quite well considering the bucs are probably the lest talented team in the nfl.

eagle eye

I thought Freeman looked ok in a couple of games, you can't tell for sure what he is like as he is getting no protection at all.

ReacherCreature

davyjose wrote: »

You think the Bucs don't need a QB? Tbh, when rebuilding a team I'd start with the offense and take it from there. Bucs don't have a worthy QB IMO.

They drafted Freeman in the 1st round last April, they're gonna give him a try at least for the next couple of years.

LuckyLloyd

No NFL Franchise will go QB two years in a row.

davyjose

True enough. I really think they aimed very low with the guy - not sure he has what it takes, but maybe someone off the O-line rather than a defensive player would suit them. I really think most of the great franchises are built around a good offense, despite the "Defense wins you titles" saying.

ReacherCreature

Many said Baltimore 'reached' with Flacco, turned out to be a good choice!

eagle eye

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No NFL Franchise will go QB two years in a row.

Never say never Lloyd, this draft class is the richest in a long, long time in QBs imo. There are guys going to go in the third round that would have been 1st round picks in many recent years.

Just look at the list, Clausen, McCoy, Tebow, Locker, Bradford, Robinson, Pike, LeFevour, Hiller, Hall, Lewis, Elliott and others too.

Optimus Caesar

eagle eye wrote: »

Never say never Lloyd, this draft class is the richest in a long, long time in QBs imo. There are guys going to go in the third round that would have been 1st round picks in many recent years.

Just look at the list, Clausen, McCoy, Tebow, Locker, Bradford, Robinson, Pike, LeFevour, Hiller, Hall, Lewis, Elliott and others too.

The Rams will be going QB in round 1. First or second pick too probably.

Peyton Manning

Now that the first 20 draft spots have been decided, Ive been trying to draw up preliminary mock drafts. Just wondering, what do you guys think are the chances of Suh slipping to number 3 and the Bucs? I know its a slim chance, but with the Rams likely to pick a QB in Clausen or Bradford, theres always a chance the Lions could pick Okung. Do they really wanna see Stafford get mauled for another season? It wouldnt be a bad idea to finish off that offensive project they've been working on with Stafford, Johnson, Pettigrew and perhaps Okung, and picking a DT in a later round (the draft is loaded with quality DTs) while shoring up the D on free agency. Obviously its more than likely that they'll pick Suh given their awful depth chart at DT, but you'd never know!

Hynzie

Archimedes wrote: »

Now that the first 20 draft spots have been decided, Ive been trying to draw up preliminary mock drafts. Just wondering, what do you guys think are the chances of Suh slipping to number 3 and the Bucs? I know its a slim chance, but with the Rams likely to pick a QB in Clausen or Bradford, theres always a chance the Lions could pick Okung. Do they really wanna see Stafford get mauled for another season? It wouldnt be a bad idea to finish off that offensive project they've been working on with Stafford, Johnson, Pettigrew and perhaps Okung, and picking a DT in a later round (the draft is loaded with quality DTs) while shoring up the D on free agency. Obviously its more than likely that they'll pick Suh given their awful depth chart at DT, but you'd never know!

Ya thats an interesting scenario. The Bucs would be thrilled, they would get Warren Sapp back!:D

The only thing is im not sure the Rams will pass up Suh. Steve Spagnuolo is a defensive guy so that has too be factored in. Your right they do need a QB, maybe Suh first round and Colt McCoy in the second?

Peyton Manning

Hynzie wrote: »

Ya thats an interesting scenario. The Bucs would be thrilled, they would get Warren Sapp back!:D

The only thing is im not sure the Rams will pass up Suh. Steve Spagnuolo is a defensive guy so that has too be factored in. Your right they do need a QB, maybe Suh first round and Colt McCoy in the second?

The way I see it, everything points to the Rams picking a QB with their first pick. We get this every year - Dorsey vs Ryan in 2008, and to a lesser extent Smith vs Stafford in 2009, but the QB always comes up trumps because a team in need of a new QB cannot pass up a franchise QB. Bradford or Clausen offer this. The Rams tried to get Sanchez last year, which ultimately never worked out, so I cant see them having changed their mind over the course of a season in which Bulger has been ineffective.

frostie500

I think that the Rams will look to Suh, there is depth at QB in this draft whereas Suh has been head and shoulders above the next best tackle(Gerald McCoy who has been immense each year in college) but Suh is too good to pass on. As you say the Lions have to get in some o-line help so they will take whomever they view as the best fit for them. The Bucs need help in a lot of places and with Morris being a former DB coach they could look at Eric Berry the Tennessee safety or else Texas' safety Earl Thomas who has been great this year and hopefully will finish his college career in style on Thursday night! He's a sophmore but I think he'll come out whether the 'horns win or lose.

The Redskins are next up and if Mike Shanahan gets the job as expected he will select a QB so look for Jimmy Clausen to be selected(Bradford has too many injury concerns hanging over him.) The Chiefs pick next and they may try and shop this pick to a QB needy team looking for Bradford, all Pats fans know how much Scott Pioli likes to accumulate draft picks. Seatle are next up and they have to find a long term QB, if noone took the Chiefs offer of the 5th pick the Seahawks will have the chance to take Bradford. The Browns are up next and their choice will be dictated by who is the head coach. They obviously need help in a lot of areas, their offence has been terrible for most of the year but with the top two qbs gone and guys like Colt McCoy not warrenting anything near a top ten they will look to defence because of the lack of offensive value here so maybe a pass rusher like Carlos Dunlap or a linebacker like Brandan Spikes.

The great thing about the draft is that for the next four months we can bang on about how a team needs to take a certain player and the merits of taking them, then the team does something crazy like taking Darius Hayward Bay!

Chucky the tree

Archimedes wrote: »

Now that the first 20 draft spots have been decided, Ive been trying to draw up preliminary mock drafts. Just wondering, what do you guys think are the chances of Suh slipping to number 3 and the Bucs? I know its a slim chance, but with the Rams likely to pick a QB in Clausen or Bradford, theres always a chance the Lions could pick Okung. Do they really wanna see Stafford get mauled for another season? It wouldnt be a bad idea to finish off that offensive project they've been working on with Stafford, Johnson, Pettigrew and perhaps Okung, and picking a DT in a later round (the draft is loaded with quality DTs) while shoring up the D on free agency. Obviously its more than likely that they'll pick Suh given their awful depth chart at DT, but you'd never know!

I'd be pretty shocked if the Lions passed on Suh. The guy is this years "cant miss" prospect. He's the best DT prospect in a long long time. I can't remember the last DT who was considered best player available in the whole of the draft. Suh could be the best DT prospect ever even, my knowledge of past nfl wouldn't be good so I could be wrong on that but certainly in the last 5 years he is. On the other hand this years OT would have all gone after the Smith's, Oher and Monroe I think so passing up on Suh for Okung would be crazy.

frostie500

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'd be pretty shocked if the Lions passed on Suh. The guy is this years "cant miss" prospect. He's the best DT prospect in a long long time. I can't remember the last DT who was considered best player available in the whole of the draft. Suh could be the best DT prospect ever even, my knowledge of past nfl wouldn't be good so I could be wrong on that but certainly in the last 5 years he is. On the other hand this years OT would have all gone after the Smith's, Oher and Monroe I think so passing up on Suh for Okung would be crazy.

The Lions have invested a lot of money in Stafford and Calvin Johnston. They need to protect Stafford to get Johnston the ball. It wouldnt be suprising to see them take a tackle even if Suh is available.

The best tackle of recent years has been Glenn Dorsey the Chiefs fifth pick a few years ago. Dorsey came out and was going to be a stud and an impact player straight away. He hasnt been these things. He's had two sacks in his first two seasons with one in each year. The draft is a lottery with all positions and guys that are 'cant miss' prospects can become nothing more then bit players. I think Suh will go no 1 but if he is there at two the Lions may feel it better to protect their investment in Stafford who has shown potential. I'm not sure but I dont think the Lions have a great amount of draft picks this year so another top tackle may not be available whereas Jim Schartz has been able to make low round draft players into impact players when he was with the Titans so he may trust himself to do the same again

Chucky the tree

frostie500 wrote: »

The Lions have invested a lot of money in Stafford and Calvin Johnston. They need to protect Stafford to get Johnston the ball. It wouldnt be suprising to see them take a tackle even if Suh is available.

The best tackle of recent years has been Glenn Dorsey the Chiefs fifth pick a few years ago. Dorsey came out and was going to be a stud and an impact player straight away. He hasnt been these things. He's had two sacks in his first two seasons with one in each year. The draft is a lottery with all positions and guys that are 'cant miss' prospects can become nothing more then bit players. I think Suh will go no 1 but if he is there at two the Lions may feel it better to protect their investment in Stafford who has shown potential. I'm not sure but I dont think the Lions have a great amount of draft picks this year so another top tackle may not be available whereas Jim Schartz has been able to make low round draft players into impact players when he was with the Titans so he may trust himself to do the same again

Dorsey didn't have anything close to the hype that Suh does and certainly wasn't close to a "can't miss prospect" that year. In fact no one in that draft was considered a "can't miss". Not only that but Dorsey was never considered to be able to play DE in a 3-4 which is what he did last year. He struggled in his first year but he wasn't horrible and I think would still make an excellent DT. Detroit have a 2nd round pick, there should be a few decent OT available then, someone like ciron black wouldn't be a bad choice.

frostie500

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Dorsey didn't have anything close to the hype that Suh does and certainly wasn't close to a "can't miss prospect" that year. In fact no one in that draft was considered a "can't miss". Not only that but Dorsey was never considered to be able to play DE in a 3-4 which is what he did last year. He struggled in his first year but he wasn't horrible and I think would still make an excellent DT. Detroit have a 2nd round pick, there should be a few decent OT available then, someone like ciron black wouldn't be a bad choice.

You were making the point that Suh could be the best prospect ever at the tackle position. I viewed that as taking the hype that you mentioned and increasing it by quite a bit. I didnt say that Dorsey was a 'cant miss' prospect because players are constantly referred to as cant miss players that end up being irrelevant in the pros.

I took your post to be you wondered if any other defensive tackle that came out recently had the hype of Suh, youre right in saying that the hype for Suh is more then Dorsey but two years ago everyone was shocked that Dorsey dropped as far as he did. Dorsey was a two time all american, two time all SEC player, won the Lombardi(best lineman/linebacker), Outland(best interior lineman) and Bronko Nagurski(best defensive player) Suh was a one time All American, two time conference all star, Outland, Chuck Bednarik(another defensive player of the year award), Bronko Nagurski Trophy, Lombardi Award and Bill Willis Award winner(another lineman award).

As you can see there are similarities between the two but bear in mind I didnt say that Suh will perform in the pros to the same level as Dorsey just that Dorsey was the most recent defensive tackle that came out with the expectation of being a great tackle which as I said I thought was what you were wondering about.

Lirange

As much as the Rams need a QB I can see them going for Suh. A proven force of nature like him only comes around rarely. He's that good. I can also see other teams trying to move up to get Suh so the draft may set up in their favour. They may be able to trade down and still get a good QB.

davyjose

Lirange wrote: »

As much as the Rams need a QB I can see them going for Suh. A proven force of nature like him only comes around rarely. He's that good. I can also see other teams trying to move up to get Suh so the draft may set up in their favour. They may be able to trade down and still get a good QB.

I'd agree, there's a number of decent QB's in this year's draft too. You take a player who looks like having the potential to be an all time great and follow it up with a solid QB in a later round.

Miami waived the option of taking a QB two years ago, and yeah it may have been a Offensive Tackle rather than a DT, but the difference Jake Long made was incredible, and the team is now heading in the right direction.

Those are the decisions you need to make rather than taking the "franchise QB" option each and every time.

frostie500

davyjose wrote: »

Miami waived the option of taking a QB two years ago, and yeah it may have been a Offensive Tackle rather than a DT, but the difference Jake Long made was incredible, and the team is now heading in the right direction.

Those are the decisions you need to make rather than taking the "franchise QB" option each and every time.

Thats it, no point having a QB back there if he has no time to get the ball away or for a running game to develop

Peyton Manning

Tbh, the only way I can see the Rams drafting Suh is if they pick up Jason Campbell in free agency.

Chucky the tree

frostie500 wrote: »

You were making the point that Suh could be the best prospect ever at the tackle position. I viewed that as taking the hype that you mentioned and increasing it by quite a bit. I didnt say that Dorsey was a 'cant miss' prospect because players are constantly referred to as cant miss players that end up being irrelevant in the pros.

I took your post to be you wondered if any other defensive tackle that came out recently had the hype of Suh, youre right in saying that the hype for Suh is more then Dorsey but two years ago everyone was shocked that Dorsey dropped as far as he did. Dorsey was a two time all american, two time all SEC player, won the Lombardi(best lineman/linebacker), Outland(best interior lineman) and Bronko Nagurski(best defensive player) Suh was a one time All American, two time conference all star, Outland, Chuck Bednarik(another defensive player of the year award), Bronko Nagurski Trophy, Lombardi Award and Bill Willis Award winner(another lineman award).

As you can see there are similarities between the two but bear in mind I didnt say that Suh will perform in the pros to the same level as Dorsey just that Dorsey was the most recent defensive tackle that came out with the expectation of being a great tackle which as I said I thought was what you were wondering about.

Fair enough, I don't remember huge hype about Dorsey, could have possible went 3 to Falcons but they decided against it. You'll find that elite prospects rarely drop out of the top 3. This year was Aaron Curry, previous year there wasn't really an elite prospect. The year before it was CJ, 06 was Bush. I'd put Suh in these brackets, coming out he's considered potentially one of the best ever DT. He might drop, but I'd be very surprised if he goes outside the top 3 unless he majorly ****'s up between now and april.

frostie500

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Fair enough, I don't remember huge hype about Dorsey, could have possible went 3 to Falcons but they decided against it. You'll find that elite prospects rarely drop out of the top 3. This year was Aaron Curry, previous year there wasn't really an elite prospect. The year before it was CJ, 06 was Bush. I'd put Suh in these brackets, coming out he's considered potentially one of the best ever DT. He might drop, but I'd be very surprised if he goes outside the top 3 unless he majorly ****'s up between now and april.

Yeah I cant see him falling past the top three(cant really see the Rams not taking him due to the depth at QB in the later rounds.)

The great thing about the draft is that on draft day people look like idiots or geniuses and then a few years down the road the perception of their draft day changes. To use one player you mentioned Reggie Bush. The Texans had the first choice and took Mario Williams and everybody was up in arms about it. They passed on taking Vince Young and Reggie Bush. Young was the Texas QB in college coming out and had to go to his hometown, and if he didnt go of course the Texans would select Bush who was immense in college and looked like he could revolutionise the running game.

Over time its clear to see that the Texans selected an elite defensive end, Young is a decent qb with the potential to be quite a bit more in future and Reggie Bush is not a running back in the pros, still can be a functional situational player but most certainly not a feature back at this point. Thats why I personally love the draft and the NFL. Players that are sure things rarely pan out and then you get guys like Brady, Colsten and Miles Austin this year that come out of nowhere and are great football players. For the next four months we're gonna say player X is a great player and team Y has to take him but its only a few years down the line that we know if they are as good as we think they are

jdivision

Rams will take Suh I think and a QB in the second round. Their d line is shocking. As for OT, if Russell Okung goes into the draft he's quality, some of his blocking for the run game in the bowl was amazing, although obviously it's not same standard. I'd love to know how many pancakes he had in that game, in one play he was literally in the air driving the defender into the dirt (admittedly an LB). He'll probably go top 10. Lions may be giving up on Cherildus (I think he belongs at guard rather than tackle, so if they can't get a pass rusher or defensive tackle they should go OL or DB.
I'm not sure about criticisms of Cody either, it's not that he's not fast, he's actually quick through the hole, the problem is he isn't as good after that at turning sideways to pursue the play. Given the blubber I'd question his work ethic so if he copped on he might solve some of that. I like the kid I have to say.

Hynzie

frostie500 wrote: »

Thats why I personally love the draft and the NFL. Players that are sure things rarely pan out and then you get guys like Brady, Colsten and Miles Austin this year that come out of nowhere and are great football players. For the next four months we're gonna say player X is a great player and team Y has to take him but its only a few years down the line that we know if they are as good as we think they are

Yeah I love looking back on previous drafts and seeing what the experts said about each pick. I did that the other day with Chris Johnson as I remember it being a bit of a shock that he went that early. This is what ESPN said about the pick:

''After using a second-round pick in each of the past two drafts to get running backs LenDale White and Chris Henry, the Titans, who had lots of needs elsewhere (mainly wide receiver), turned around and used a first-round pick on East Carolina running back Chris Johnson.

Henry hasn't shown much and this move is probably a sign the Titans don't think he's going to work out. But White was a 1,000-yard rusher last season and the Titans probably don't need a new starter. They probably didn't get one because Johnson is undersized and may be nothing more than a third-down back. Johnson is explosive and could provide a nice complement to White, but you don't draft complementary players in the first round''

I think he turned out a bit better than that!:D