willing to pay money for a job?

j2u

I have been out of work since august and dues to a longer than anticipated wait around for my redundancy which now i will have to wait at least 5 to 8 months for from the gowvernment. I have over 4 yeasr experiance in office administration,telemarketing,data entry and documentation,and client liason.
I would pay €100 to anybody that can offer a full time job within the dublin or louth area. I would preferably like a job in a call centre or office enviroment but i would be willing to commit myself to any job available so if anybody out there feels that they know of someone that could offer me a job pm me. upon securing the job i would be willing to pay them at least €100. i may also be interested in an internship should be relevant to my career area.

nice1franko

Recruitment agent?

mikemac

In my experience http://www.irishjobs.ie/ is the best site around
At least you can filter by companies so you filter out time wasting recruiting agencies.

If I were you I'd be applying to ebay and paypal over in Dublin 15, they are recruiting

http://www.irishjobs.ie/Recruiters/PayPal-eBay-2352.aspx
Some good jobs there, I've a mate in there and there are actively hiring

I'm not normally a grammar natzi but you really should clean up your typing, spelling and English skills if you're trying to secure a job in administration.

Best of luck.

mikemac

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not normally a grammar natzi

I'm sorry, could not resist

Here is a link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=natzi

mikemac

mikemac wrote: »

I'm sorry, could not resist

Here is a link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=natzi

Haha! Doh! I knew that looked funny.

But I'm not the one in need of a job eh

j2u

i applied to paypal and ebay already but have heard nothing back. i think i saw them advertise on jobs.ie. So far i have had 2 interviews. One with jack and jones which despite a promising interview and the girl assuring me on the phine before that i have enough retail experiance it lead to nothing. The other interview was by one of them mickey mouse door to door companys.
How them companys can advertise what looks like a legit job and yet does not pay a wage is beyond me. thanks for the advice though. While i have sent my cv into different recruitment agencies applying for work i have not actually registered with much of them. But they did reply by saying they would keep my details on file.

mikemac

Paypal & ebay are recruiting

Call them tomorrow morning and ask for information on where you application is.
Maybe they'll tell you nothing but at least be proactive about it

j2u

i will contact directly tomorrow and hopefully at least get an interview.
paypal generally prefer people to have a second fluent language though.
Maybe if i bombard them with cv afer cv they will eventually reply.

LimeFruitGum

j2u wrote: »

i will contact directly tomorrow and hopefully at least get an interview.
paypal generally prefer people to have a second fluent language though.
Maybe if i bombard them with cv afer cv they will eventually reply.

Not necessarily. Certainly, send in a CV by all means (but please check for spellings & typos) and you could follow up with a phone call a few days later. HR generally don't like repeated CV bombing Good luck!

j2u

mikemac wrote: »

HR are invariably fools!
If you are a middle manager in your company and get moved to HR then quit, it's a death sentence

I applied to my job directly and got rejected. Two weeks later I sent the exact same CV through a recruitment agent and got the job. Fools! They could have saved thousands in commissions fees by employing me first time around

thanks for the insight, its interesting how blind and incompetent some people at top level can be. what annoys me the most is im offering to volunteer and work for free just for the experiance and still cant get anything. What have they got to lose?
it seems almost all office jobs require call centre experiance which i would volunteer for just to gain the experiance and put it on the cv.

spongeman

I would'nt offer somebody money or offer to work for free.

No prospective employer would have any respect for you.

artful_codger

if you're going to volunteer to do office admin work, do it for a Charity like Goal, not some f*ckin multinational. Your post is ridiculous anyway - How would you feel if someone started working beside you doing the same job as you but for free... you'd despise them, because they'd threaten your job security, plus it would be a PR nightmare for an employer if it ever came to light.

j2u

j2u wrote: »

thanks for the insight, its interesting how blind and incompetent some people at top level can be. what annoys me the most is im offering to volunteer and work for free just for the experiance and still cant get anything. What have they got to lose?
it seems almost all office jobs require call centre experiance which i would volunteer for just to gain the experiance and put it on the cv.

WHY?
because im eager to work no employer would be interested? despite the fact that i am computer literate and have a vast amount of experience in office administration and telesales you would prefer to pay someone probaly over minimum wage ???? I have never owned and operated a business myself but i have read that companys are trying to save money but this may be just a rumour?

j2u

artful_codger wrote: »

if you're going to volunteer to do office admin work, do it for a Charity like Goal, not some f*ckin multinational. Your post is ridiculous anyway - How would you feel if someone started working beside you doing the same job as you but for free... you'd despise them, because they'd threaten your job security, plus it would be a PR nightmare for an employer if it ever came to light.

Well im hardly going to to work for free on a permanent basis so wouold your job be under threat if you were already efficient at your job?
i woudl only be there temporarily to gain work experience. There so courses and i think in transition year in secondary school that students are required to obtain work experience so its not new idea. Why would it be a PR nightmare?
Courses cost money i dont have. Employers seem more comfortable taking on somebody with work experiance than with a certificate in the given field.
The employer is offering the chance for somebody to further advance their career. They do sometimes actually advetise volunteer/internship position in newspapers on jobsites so if you think its a PR nightmare why do you think they advertise?

Mrs OBumble

OP, who are you offering this E-100 to? Options I can think of are:

1. The person who tells you about a job vacancy that leads to you being offered the job.
2. Your new boss as an individual, in reward for him/her putting you on the payroll
3. The company who hire you

Case 1) is what recruiters do. Superficially you might think that having candidates pay them would make them more likely to work on our behalf instead of employers, but I think it would take more than 100 yo-yo to make a difference ... see the sums under Case 3) below.

(OTOH, if someone reading this PMs you details of a vacancy ... feel free to pay them if you get the job!)

Case 2) is called "bribery", and while brown-envelopes are (so I'm told!) very much part of Ireland's cultural heritage, I'm not sure that they're approved of today.

Case 3) is offering to work for free for a while. But only a very short while, really. Assuming you're on E8.65 an our, E100 represents about 11.5 hours work. That's less than two days, without factoring in the management time needed to put this kind of deal in place.

j2u

JustMary wrote: »

OP, who are you offering this E-100 to? Options I can think of are:

1. The person who tells you about a job vacancy that leads to you being offered the job.
2. Your new boss as an individual, in reward for him/her putting you on the payroll
3. The company who hire you

Case 1) is what recruiters do. Superficially you might think that having candidates pay them would make them more likely to work on our behalf instead of employers, but I think it would take more than 100 yo-yo to make a difference ... see the sums under Case 3) below.

(OTOH, if someone reading this PMs you details of a vacancy ... feel free to pay them if you get the job!)

Case 2) is called "bribery", and while brown-envelopes are (so I'm told!) very much part of Ireland's cultural heritage, I'm not sure that they're approved of today.

Case 3) is offering to work for free for a while. But only a very short while, really. Assuming you're on E8.65 an our, E100 represents about 11.5 hours work. That's less than two days, without factoring in the management time needed to put this kind of deal in place.

what is with you people? where your sense of logic?
Yes i will pay at leat €100 for a job
when did i say i would quit after 2 days?
Pretty much all of my friends got their jobs because of people they know. in different careers although most in the construction sector. So simply put if somebody knows somebody thats looking for staff they can ask any of their friends if they want the job or contact me and make at least €100 for themselves.
If somebody out there is looking for office staff considering i have over 4 years experience in office and administration they are not taking on much of a risk are they?
So what if the €100 only covers 11.5 hours im willing to work for for free for at least a month to gain the experience to warrant a wage or find a job.
If an employer takes on someone else and at the end of just 1 month its not worked out they have lost nearly €1400 and then they have to pay further recruitment costs. So pay at least €1400 for an employee that may or may not be suited to your position or take a chance on me someone who has 4 years experience and is willing to volunteer on a trial basis. Which sounds more cost effective and intelligent? Is it just a rumour ? are business not trying to save money?

artful_codger

so you're offering to work for free to gain experience in an office, yet you have over four years experience working in an office already.

:rolleyes:

Sweets70

j2u wrote: »

Well im hardly going to to work for free on a permanent basis so wouold your job be under threat if you were already efficient at your job?
i woudl only be there temporarily to gain work experience. There so courses and i think in transition year in secondary school that students are required to obtain work experience so its not new idea. Why would it be a PR nightmare?
Courses cost money i dont have. Employers seem more comfortable taking on somebody with work experiance than with a certificate in the given field.
The employer is offering the chance for somebody to further advance their career. They do sometimes actually advetise volunteer/internship position in newspapers on jobsites so if you think its a PR nightmare why do you think they advertise?

Transition year students do a weeks work placement. Where they hang around and are given little things to do. Hardly the same thing. Depending how busy an office is they are either a nuisance, a bit of fun, or a tremendous help with the little tasks you just don't have time for. It's hardly the same thing. They're not there, so much to work, as to see how the world of work looks.

And some companies, do offer proper internship programs, but these are very competitive to get these days. It's not easy for anyone. And some companies have cut 40K a year jobs and are now offering them to 'interns' and paying them just below the dole wage for it (about 200 a week). However if you need experience you'd be a foul not to take these jobs BUT again these are very competitive now. Some companies do over internships, which are unpaid, full time and basically your doing a paid job. These will always be easier to get because 1. they are a means to an end for people so some people will do them or 2. they are essentially slave labour.

I am at the moment am an intern for a well known company, who I'm not going to name, and the communications intern position was filled recently and they had 60 applications.

j2u

had no idea internships where that competitive. while i have 4 years administration experience which did involve telemarketing i dont have experience in a call centre and they seem to be the only jobs available right now and they all require previous call centre experience so i would happily volunteer to work in a call centre as an intern but it looks like that will be about just as hard as getting a paid job. I think id havemore chance of finding working if i went to live in the uk for a while and looked for work there.

If you're in south county dublin, chill.ie are looking for staff AFAIK.
I really would have someone look over your CV for English, spelling and grammar though, I'm not trying to be bad but if your CV has the same level which you use in your posts, then you won't even get a second look.

Sweets70

j2u wrote: »

had no idea internships where that competitive. while i have 4 years administration experience which did involve telemarketing i dont have experience in a call centre and they seem to be the only jobs available right now and they all require previous call centre experience so i would happily volunteer to work in a call centre as an intern but it looks like that will be about just as hard as getting a paid job. I think id havemore chance of finding working if i went to live in the uk for a while and looked for work there.

Not all internships are that competitive. That one is a special case in large part to do with who the organisation are. If you are willing to work for 40 hours for nothing. You could get an internship. The pros and cons of that are for you to decide.

UK is definitely better but things are not 100% there either.

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j2u

Deleted User wrote: »

If you're in south county dublin, chill.ie are looking for staff AFAIK.
I really would have someone look over your CV for English, spelling and grammar though, I'm not trying to be bad but if your CV has the same level which you use in your posts, then you won't even get a second look.

I have been carefull and used the spell check and microsoft word to ensure that the spelling and grammer is right on my cv but maybe it couldnt hurt to have someone look over it and make sure its presented right. Jobs.ie offer such a service but for €55 it seems a bit pricey but i will look into other such services.

j2u

j2u wrote: »

I have been carefull and used the spell check and microsoft word to ensure that the spelling and grammer is right on my cv but maybe it couldnt hurt to have someone look over it and make sure its presented right. Jobs.ie offer such a service but for €55 it seems a bit pricey but i will look into other such services.

You don't necessarily have to get a professional service to do it, although it would of course help but I'm sure you have friends/family who could help you out. Fresh eyes always help.

Mrs OBumble

j2u wrote: »

So what if the €100 only covers 11.5 hours im willing to work for for free for at least a month to gain the experience to warrant a wage or find a job.
If an employer takes on someone else and at the end of just 1 month its not worked out they have lost nearly €1400 and then they have to pay further recruitment costs. So pay at least €1400 for an employee that may or may not be suited to your position or take a chance on me someone who has 4 years experience and is willing to volunteer on a trial basis. Which sounds more cost effective and intelligent? Is it just a rumour ? are business not trying to save money?

I wonder how many companies insurance policies cover the actions of volunteer "staff".

I wonder how many companies will trust confidential information (of the sort that call-centre staff can access) to volunteers.

I wonder how many managers will be willing to bother training people who are "volunteers", and so are entitled to not come in if they don't feel like it - or if they get offered paying work somewhere else, or who might not be here next month.

I wonder why some companies bother hiring staff at all, sure they could just take on a succession of folks for one-month trials / work-experiences, and just pay the one supervisor.

I wonder if you're signing, and therefore need to be available to take paid work any time that it's offered.

I wonder ...

j2u

JustMary wrote: »

I wonder how many companies insurance policies cover the actions of volunteer "staff".

I wonder how many companies will trust confidential information (of the sort that call-centre staff can access) to volunteers.

I wonder how many managers will be willing to bother training people who are "volunteers", and so are entitled to not come in if they don't feel like it - or if they get offered paying work somewhere else, or who might not be here next month.

I wonder why some companies bother hiring staff at all, sure they could just take on a succession of folks for one-month trials / work-experiences, and just pay the one supervisor.

I wonder if you're signing, and therefore need to be available to take paid work any time that it's offered.

I wonder ...

First off anybody in any job can choose whether to turn up for work or not. You just get sacked if you dont come in for work at least thats the usual approach and why would it be any different in an internship/volunteer work experience?
Seeing as i already have over 4 years experience with office administration involving data entry and being on the telephone throughout the day i dont think it woud take too much training if it was an office position or call centre position. A friend of mine was a bricklayer who rarely uses a computer and got a job with buy and sell because he knew a manager there and he picked it up in a few days so as regards to it being difficult and time consuming for a manager to train me is just stupid.
As for your other point that i coud just leave for a paying job well obviously i would leave for a paying job but what i was referring to was that would it not be more cost effective to take someone with 4 years office administration experience give that person a month unpaid trial and if they can do the job then they get the job?! Or they just pay a recruitment agency about 2 to 3 grand to find someone for them?
As regards to security how would it any differnt if they just advertised for a paid job and hired someone? Why would that someone be more trustworthy because they are getting paid to work as opposed to someone like me willing to work for experience or on a trial basis?