Echoes of the Stardust fire.

Run_to_da_hills

Just reading about the appalling fire at a Russian night club. It bore all the similarities of the Stardust fire. The authorities in this case are going for the juggler, it was started by an indoor fireworks display and the place only had a single exit.

RIP to all those that perished.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/06/content_12599625.htm

Wasn't it Russia where people got blinded my a Laser light show last year?

We should be thankful for our regulations....

Run_to_da_hills

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't it Russia where people got blinded my a Laser light show last year?

We should be thankful for our regulations....

Our regulations are still not good enough. We still have over crowding at venues. Go to England or the US and you will often see staff appointed to keep track of numbers entering and leaving the buildings.

That_Guy

Sad to hear about this. Was it caused by pyrotechnics? Thought I heard something like that on the radio.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think indoor pyrotechnics have caused fires in nightclubs before.
How many more times must this happen until something is done about it.

Run_to_da_hills

That_Guy wrote: »

Sad to hear about this. Was it caused by pyrotechnics? Thought I heard something like that on the radio.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think indoor pyrotechnics have caused fires in nightclubs before.
How many more times must this happen until something is done about it.

Yes a few times, one quite recently at Rhode Island in 2003 with the loss of over 90 lives.

K-Ren

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The authorities in this case are going for the juggler,

Do you mean that they're getting straight to the point of the case or that the fire was caused by a juggler?

Elba101

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't it Russia where people got blinded my a Laser light show last year?

We should be thankful for our regulations....

Yeah good regulations but i don't think anyone got charged for the stardust fire? The owner of the Russian nightclub got done straight away.

The sad fact is, that you can have many rules and regulations as you want.

But they are useless if they are not adhered to and not policed!

That_Guy

Elba101 wrote: »

Yeah good regulations but i don't think anyone got charged for the stardust fire? The owner of the Russian nightclub got done straight away.

Too right. Like the old saying "If you play with fire you're going to get burned". Unfortunately a wonderful spectacle turned into a nightmare.

No common sense whatsoever and it's cost 100 or so people their lives.

RIP

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Go to England or the US and you will often see staff appointed to keep track of numbers entering and leaving the buildings.

I dont know about that, I have been completely wedged into pubs and clubs in London just as much if not more than here.

Run_to_da_hills

K-Ren wrote: »

Do you mean that they're getting straight to the point of the case or that the fire was caused by a juggler?

You may not far off.

That_Guy

Legacy Gifted Goth wrote: »

I dont know about that, I have been completely wedged into pubs and clubs in London just as much if not more than here.

It's a sad state of affairs when nightclubs would rather risk people's safety and pack people in in order to make a profit.

WindSock

I thought they were killed in the stampede rather than the fire itself?

That_Guy

That_Guy wrote: »

It's a sad state of affairs when nightclubs would rather risk people's safety and pack people in in order to make a profit.

You should see my local night club on Stephens night, its brings packed to a new level you literally cannot move.

FruitLover

That_Guy wrote: »

Not cool.

Hi, welcome to After Hours! You're obviously new here.

Mossy Monk

Legacy Gifted Goth wrote: »

You should see my local night club on Stephens night, its brings packed to a new level you literally cannot move.

It's the same in my town. And it will continue to happen until there is another fire killing 100 customers.

That_Guy

FruitLover wrote: »

Hi, welcome to After Hours! You're obviously new here.

Nope. Been here a while.

994

We don't need no water, let the móther****er burn.

tallus

It's very sad to see something of that nature happening, but who the hell thought it would be a good idea to have an indoor fireworks show.

Run_to_da_hills

tallus wrote: »

It's very sad to see something of that nature happening, but who the hell thought it would be a good idea to have an indoor fireworks show.

Obviously a decision of some bird brains

Arrests have been made over the matter. If guilty who ever is responsible deserve long sentences. Unlike the Rhodie Island fire I doubt if there will be much compensation for family's of victims.

tallus

tallus wrote: »

It's very sad to see something of that nature happening, but who the hell thought it would be a good idea to have an indoor fireworks show.

Having seen the video, it appears that the ceiling was straw panels in it!

Makes it an even madder idea!

Run_to_da_hills

Deleted User wrote: »

Having seen the video, it appears that the ceiling was straw panels in it!

Makes it an even madder idea!

In that case it looks like strawmen were responsible

That_Guy

994 wrote: »

We don't need no water, let the móther****er burn.

*sigh*

dr.bollocko

That_Guy wrote: »

Not cool.

Deleted User wrote: »

Too early for jokes! imho!

Indeed.

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

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Please don't use random threads as a platform for your meandering whinge. Unbunch and go to feedback. Use this as a platform for AH bashing again and I will ban you.

orourkeda wrote: »

Simon Cowell is set to release the following tribute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67j9uOn3ELw

Don't post in this thread again.
A bunch of posts have been removed. Please PM me for clarification if needed. I am not entertaining any more of this crap on thread.

General Zod

unless fire exits were chained shut, it's not that close to the Stardust.


Tragedy all the same.

Sofiztikated

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The authorities in this case are going for the juggler,

Why are they going for an entertainer, when they should clearly be pursuing who was responsible?

(I jest, I jest, I know you meant jugular, I was making a poor attempt at a funny.)

RIP to those who died, and my wishes to their families and loved ones.

jumpguy

Indoor...fireworks...display...indoor...hmmm....what could go wrong?

Run_to_da_hills

Sophisticated wrote: »

Why are they going for an entertainer, when they should clearly be pursuing who was responsible?

(I jest, I jest, I know you meant jugular, I was making a poor attempt at a funny.)

According to this and other report the fire was literally caused by a juggler.

I am shure anyone involved from the management right down to the entertainers would be hauled in for questioning. Apparently the fireworks used were for strictly outdoor use only so this would put a lot of responsibility on the pyrotechnics.

General Zod wrote: »

unless fire exits were chained shut, it's not that close to the Stardust.

Very close as negligence seems to have played a major part in both cases.

cosmic

Jesus. I grew up beside where the Stardust was and there are still a lot of families in that area that lost someone there. It's heartbreaking.

Will people never learn? :mad:

LittleBook

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this and other report the fire was literally caused by a juggler

I was in a nightclub once and they had a display of Fire Twirling and the guy let go of one of the ... er ... fire twirly things. It flew across the club but luckily didn't hit anyone :eek:

It was also lucky that the night club wasn't made of straw

That_Guy

cosmic wrote: »

Jesus. I grew up beside where the Stardust was and there are still a lot of families in that area that lost someone there. It's heartbreaking.

Will people never learn? :mad:

Obviously not. This has happened before. Things like this should never happen.

Mr. Presentable

cosmic wrote: »

Jesus. I grew up beside where the Stardust was and there are still a lot of families in that area that lost someone there. It's heartbreaking.

Will people never learn? :mad:

People need to understand it's about making as much money as possible in the shortest time, with the least amount of investment you can get away with. (If you are going to have a club with extra fire escapes you will need extra staff to keep people from sneaking in - another unwanted expense). The chances of a disaster like this happening are so small as to be insignificant, so worth the risk considering the money to be made.

Run_to_da_hills

cosmic wrote: »

Jesus. I grew up beside where the Stardust was and there are still a lot of families in that area that lost someone there. It's heartbreaking.

Will people never learn? :mad:

Vienna from Ultravox was number two in the UK charts at the time, That song always reminds me of the incident.

anplaya

WindSock wrote: »

I thought they were killed in the stampede rather than the fire itself?

reading about it it seems to be 3 things,severe burns,smoke inhalation and crushed in the stampede.

cosmic

That_Guy wrote: »

Obviously not. This has happened before. Things like this should never happen.

+ 1

nipplenuts wrote: »

People need to understand it's about making as much money as possible in the shortest time, with the least amount of investment you can get away with. (If you are going to have a club with extra fire escapes you will need extra staff to keep people from sneaking in - another unwanted expense). The chances of a disaster like this happening are so small as to be insignificant, so worth the risk considering the money to be made.

Yeah but these are people that we're talking about, real people's lives. It's disgraceful.

heyjude

I think this clip shows how/where it started and just how fast the smoke spread.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8396587.stm

Run_to_da_hills

anplaya wrote: »

reading about it it seems to be 3 things,severe burns,smoke inhalation and crushed in the stampede.

Also with excessive drink involved people are not exactly going to be able to coordinate themselves.

Mr. Presentable

cosmic wrote: »

+ 1



Yeah but these are people that we're talking about, real people's lives. It's disgraceful.

I know! That is my point. The lesson will never be learned while the world is populated by self-serving greedy gets!

Bandit12

Jesus just seen about this now. Bloody terrible stuff. R.I.P.

cosmic

nipplenuts wrote: »

I know! That is my point. The lesson will never be learned while the world is populated by self-serving greedy gets!

Ah i see, sorry!

celticbest

I remember the Stardust fire like it was only yesterday, I was only four when it happened. I remember going into superquinn in northside shopping centre a few days after the fire and you could feel the sadness in the air even at such a young age.

An event like this is felt by all ages young to old and my deepest sympathies go out to all the people who lost a loved one....

May they all Rest in Peace.

anplaya

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Also with excessive drink involved people are not exactly going to be able to coordinate themselves.

i doubt it had anything to do with that,not everyone would have been drinking excessively.thats just your take on it.mass panic would have happened regardless of people drinking or not,its human nature especially around fire.the lights went off ,place filled with smoke etc. what with there being only one exit/entrance to the place,everybody would have gone in that direction .

bonzos

I worked on revenating a night club in donegal less than a year ago that has no firealarm protection.No worries about fire officers etc..It is a total disgrace,if you have enough money in this country the rules dont apply to you!