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Personal use of Official Equipment

  • 01-12-2009 6:27pm
    #1
    wicklow123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭


    A question that got me thinking recently. I suppose its aimed at members of AGS. Do any members carry there duty equipment when there off duty? I.e ASP baton maybe on there belt in a covert holster or maybe somewhere in the car. Just in case. Same sort of thing regarding the pepper spray. Would female members have it in there handbag on a night out, just in case they need to protect themselves? Surely its illegal if your not on duty, but if you see a crime being committed and use your ASP, is anything said?


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  • #2
    maglite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    Hehe Only de Handcuffs *snigger


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    wicklow123 wrote: »
    A question that got me thinking recently. I suppose its aimed at members of AGS. Do any members carry there duty equipment when there off duty? I.e ASP baton maybe on there belt in a covert holster or maybe somewhere in the car. Just in case. Same sort of thing regarding the pepper spray. Would female members have it in there handbag on a night out, just in case they need to protect themselves? Surely its illegal if your not on duty, but if you see a crime being committed and use your ASP, is anything said?

    Pepper spray is for on duty ONLY. You would want to have a good reason for having any of the other equipment while off duty. See a crime call it in. Easiest for everybody, unless of course it's a situation that needs immediate intervention.


  • #4
    CharlieCroker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭CharlieCroker


    Wouldn't be carrying any of my gear off duty, as foreign said if you see something call it in.
    Its illegal for members to carry pepper spray while off duty


  • #5
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    wicklow123 wrote: »
    Would female members have it in there handbag on a night out, just in case they need to protect themselves?

    I can see a very interesting altercation going on on the dance floor of copper face jacks...

    Loud dance music the clash of batons all barely visible though a hazy mist of pepper spray :rolleyes:

    I think only america operates the stay armed at all times ethos.


  • #6
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    I can see a very interesting altercation going on on the dance floor of copper face jacks...

    Loud dance music the clash of batons all barely visible though a hazy mist of pepper spray :rolleyes:

    I think only america operates the stay armed at all times ethos.

    I think the PSNI are allowed to carry their firearms with them for protection, I seem to remember psni saying something to that effect anyway. I'm sure he'll confirm and it makes perfect sense all things considered.


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  • #7
    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    sdonn wrote: »
    I think the PSNI are allowed to carry their firearms with them for protection, I seem to remember psni saying something to that effect anyway. I'm sure he'll confirm and it makes perfect sense all things considered.

    I think you're correct regarding the PSNI, or maybe some people have to apply it.

    So forgive my ignorance, I have a friend who's a gardai and havent asked her but do you leave all your equipment in the station?


  • #8
    wicklow123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭wicklow123


    Heres another one, do members carry there note book with them at all times?


  • #9
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    wicklow123 wrote: »
    Heres another one, do members carry there note book with them at all times?

    of course not


  • #10
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,808 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    sdonn wrote: »
    I think the PSNI are allowed to carry their firearms with them for protection, I seem to remember psni saying something to that effect anyway. I'm sure he'll confirm and it makes perfect sense all things considered.

    Yes we are, and yes we do!


  • #11
    Mr Jinx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Mr Jinx


    wicklow123 wrote: »
    Heres another one, do members carry there note book with them at all times?

    Only the very dedicated ones. You know the ones im talking about !


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  • #12
    djtechnics1210
    Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭djtechnics1210


    sdonn wrote: »
    I think the PSNI are allowed to carry their firearms with them for protection, I seem to remember psni saying something to that effect anyway. I'm sure he'll confirm and it makes perfect sense all things considered.

    detectives in ags are allowed to do the same


  • #13
    CharlieCroker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭CharlieCroker


    djtechnics1210 wrote: »
    detectives in ags are allowed to do the same

    are they? didnt know that


  • #14
    djtechnics1210
    Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭djtechnics1210


    CharlieCroker wrote: »
    are they? didnt know that

    Their allowed, but most don't afaik, too much responsibility having it off duty I would imagine.
    I'd say it probably originated for during the troubles due to subversive activity etc. But I'm only guessing that. Maybe someone on
    here can confirm.


  • #15
    Mr Jinx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Mr Jinx


    djtechnics1210 wrote: »
    Their allowed, but most don't afaik, too much responsibility having it off duty I would imagine.
    I'd say it probably originated for during the troubles due to subversive activity etc. But I'm only guessing that. Maybe someone on
    here can confirm.

    I think this is only if they had been threatened and they posssibly need special permission to do this, open to correction.


  • #16
    coach23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭coach23


    Mr Jinx wrote: »
    I think this is only if they had been threatened and they posssibly need special permission to do this, open to correction.

    -snip-

    as for carrying the notebook a few lads do it but we don't like them very much and they're the type the public don't like either!!:pac:


  • #17
    mcguiver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭mcguiver


    Spare cuffs in the car, along with an old high vis jacket, and there's always pen and paper there.
    But unless it's very serious I just remain a good witness and phone in.

    If I'm going to court on days off I'll leave my baton and cuffs on my belt, had plenty of violent situations in court/custody areas with prisoners.

    But none of that is for personal use, thats for Garda scenarios, helping the public, etc.
    As for detectives carrying off duty..very rare due to shared firearms.


  • #18
    djtechnics1210
    Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭djtechnics1210


    mcguiver wrote: »
    Spare cuffs in the car, along with an old high vis jacket, and there's always pen and paper there.
    But unless it's very serious I just remain a good witness and phone in.

    If I'm going to court on days off I'll leave my baton and cuffs on my belt, had plenty of violent situations in court/custody areas with prisoners.

    As for detectives carrying off duty..very rare due to shared firearms.

    But appointed detectives get their own firearm. Its non appointed members carry station firearms.


  • #19
    mcguiver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭mcguiver


    "Personal Use of Official Equipment"

    Can I just point out that the title of the thread makes no sense, unless you include me wearing my official wellies once in a while!! It seems to assume we use our gear for ourselves off duty???

    How about an "Official use of personal Equipment"
    That would be a list of all the day to day things that without our police service could not work.
    eg. phone
    laptop
    camera
    car
    plus all the stuff we should be issued with but have to buy, proper boots, thermals, gloves etc.....


  • #20
    00MARTZ00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭00MARTZ00


    apologies if this sounds stupid, im not a member of AGS but whats the difference between an appointed detective and a non appointed?


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    00MARTZ00 wrote: »
    apologies if this sounds stupid, im not a member of AGS but whats the difference between an appointed detective and a non appointed?

    Non appointed is a normal garda brought into the detective unit. Appointed means that the garda has been made a detective garda. It's like a sideways promotion.


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  • #22
    Irish_polizei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Irish_polizei


    foreign wrote: »
    Non appointed is a normal garda brought into the detective unit. Appointed means that the garda has been made a detective garda. It's like a sideways promotion.

    There ya go, I learn something new everyday!


  • #23
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,092 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    ^ Kinda like a 'Made Man' then.... :D

    Not your ornery onager



  • #24
    Vas_Guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Vas_Guy


    foreign wrote: »
    Non appointed is a normal garda brought into the detective unit. Appointed means that the garda has been made a detective garda. It's like a sideways promotion.

    Is a detective a higher rank than a uniformed garda?


  • #25
    the locust
    Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭the locust


    Nope Detective isn't a rank its just a different role. A side step into investigative work rather than a step up the ranks. Obviously detectives would have more experience being in that role, more so than the average uniformed regular, they are however the same rank. An appointed detective may simply be called Detective Garda thats all.


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