Another old reg question.

hi5

Im looking at an early Ford for sale in the UK.Its still on its original Irish reg YI XXXX.The car is now registered in the UK through Swansea on the YI reg.
If I import this can I retain the original Irish reg?or do I end up with a ZV.

I know late model cars are automaticaly given back the old regs if exported and re-imported.

Any one know what the rule is here?

carchaeologist

Interesting conundrum,im not exactly sure what that law is here,but im sure it woiuld be possible to retain the reg as it was reg'd here before?

Do you have documents to prove its original reg status here?

Silvera

I would imagine that you can retain the reg...seeing as it never 'lost' it as such.

I too know of late cars being re-issued with their original reg, e.g. a '96 Opel Corsa which went to UK a few years ago, but is now back in Ireland with it's original plate.

kev1.3s

I'm not sure but I think that old irish numbers are transferable to the uk but not the the other way round, so that no. is now a uk number and wont come back with the car the difference with the later plates is that they are no use in the uk anyway so they are left here to be picked up on the car's return. but I am open to correction on this.

rugbyman

i have no exact knowledge of this but i am almost certain that you can return this car to ireland and retain that number.
after all it is the number that the govt here issued to it.

many cars that were moved to the Uk years ago were not re registered, which cannot happen now.

you may not want to do this but if the car is taxed in the Uk now you could sell the number off it.

i met a fellow over there with an IY reg, from my home County. he was a British man of foreign extraction and the IY were his initials. n he paid 1750 for the number.

YI xxxx does niot sound like a great seller but neither did IY.

you could then take the car home and perhaps even get yout YI number back

regards Rugbyman

kev1.3s

rugbyman wrote: »

many cars that were moved to the Uk years ago were not re registered, which cannot happen now.



regards Rugbyman

Thats because the old Irish system was an extension of the UK system so cars and numbers went across the water, I remember reading somewhere that the Killkenny plate VIP 1 is now on a rolls royce as it was purchased from the DVLA but AFIK the plate cant come back.

carchaeologist

kev1.3s wrote: »

Thats because the old Irish system was an extension of the UK system so cars and numbers went across the water, I remember reading somewhere that the Killkenny plate VIP 1 is now on a rolls royce as it was purchased from the DVLA but AFIK the plate cant come back.

Yep..this was it in 1979,during the time the pope was here.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.carreg.co.uk/number_plates/get_news/18[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CHELSEA owner Roman Abramovich has paid 285,000 pounds for a registration originally made for Pope John Paul II. The Russian billionaire, 37, spent the world-record amount to land the cherished VIP 1 registration. He used a Luton-based firm to secure the plate - seen on the Popemobile when John Paul toured Ireland in 1979. A pal said: "Roman is normally very security- conscious. "But the lure of owning the most exclusive number plate in the world was too much for him." A spokesman said: "We never talk about Roman's purchases."[/FONT]

It wasnt originally made for the pope though as its an August 1971 Kilkenny reg,as it was on a different car before the Dorchester Granada pictured here.Imagine if the first owner knew the value of it now!!
285.000 sterling would have bought you alot in 1971..probably most of the country!!lol!

rugbyman

kev1.3s wrote: »

Thats because the old Irish system was an extension of the UK system so cars and numbers went across the water, I remember reading somewhere that the Killkenny plate VIP 1 is now on a rolls royce as it was purchased from the DVLA but AFIK the plate cant come back.

hello Kev,

in the sixties if a truck was imported to here from the uk it could retain the uk number. i am speaking about trucks because it is a case I remember. then it changed that they were given a local number.
it appears that irish cars that migrated to the Uk were treated the same. Clearly before 1922 that would be so.

though i have read of VIP 1 on here and in other places I could never understand how it migrated to the Uk after 1970.
especially if the photo above was taken in 1980 and that Granada was the proper bearer of the number.

re the IY number i referred to above, I often dreamt of getting a nice UK car on that number and swanning around home in it.
Regards Rugbyman

deckie27

I know its the reverse
but today if a car is on an irish reg It can be imported into Northern Ireland keeping its irish reg then on to the mainland Uk with the Irish, but if it goes to mainland UK direct it get's a UK age related plate

Silvera

deckie27 wrote: »

I know its the reverse
but today if a car is on an irish reg It can be imported into Northern Ireland keeping its irish reg then on to the mainland Uk with the Irish, but if it goes to mainland UK direct it get's a UK age related plate

Are you sure about that?
Age-related plates are also issued in NI

deckie27

Silvera wrote: »

Are you sure about that?
Age-related plates are also issued in NI

Well a good source told me

Northern Ireland is the only area where the 1903 roads act still applies

you could see whether you can land it via an accomodation address in Northern Ireland and you might be able to hold onto the ZU number, if you can convince the Northern Ireland registration office to allow you keep the number then it no hassle moving it your home area on a simple change of address. Food for thought.

aidhan

If the owner still has the org. Irish book for the car theres no problem. If he hasn't theres nothing to stop you from applying for a duplicate book for it and no need to mention that it was ever in the u.k. It would be a shame to lose it for an zv reg. Vehicle would be worth more with the Irish reg also.

G Luxel

carchaeologist wrote: »

It wasnt originally made for the pope though as its an August 1971 Kilkenny reg,as it was on a different car before the Dorchester Granada pictured here.Imagine if the first owner knew the value of it now!!
285.000 sterling would have bought you alot in 1971..probably most of the country!!lol![/CENTER]

It originally appeared on a Jaguar XJ6 Series 1. There was an article about
the plate in the Irish Independent in the 1990s featuring a photo taken around 1971 with the original owner. It must have left the country after the Popes visit in 1979. In 1990, the Law in the UK changed so that all cars being
imported into that country from Ireland had to be re-registered.

carchaeologist

G Luxel wrote: »

It originally appeared on a Jaguar XJ6 Series 1. There was an article about
the plate in the Irish Independent in the 1990s featuring a photo taken around 1971 with the original owner.

Anyone have a scan of this?id love to see it?

hi5

There was an excellent article in the Kilkenny Voice newspaper when Abramavich supposedly bought the reg a few years ago.
I have tried to find it but the paper is gone bust,they did an interview with the original owner Bill Finnegan.
The jist of the story was emigrated to the UK in the early 70's and had to sell the reg because for economic reasons.
The reg on the granada was a temporary replica for the popes visit.

Heres a less detailed article.

http://www.emigrant.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24997

Bearcat

does anyone remember in the 80's an old hilman hunter on the strawberry beds, chapelizord with the reg VIP 2?

Silvera

carchaeologist wrote: »

Anyone have a scan of this?id love to see it?

I recall seeing an article about the car with it's first owner.
Apparently he worked for a local Kilkenny brewery as a salesman, and was such an 'ambassador' for Kilkenny that he was allocated VIP 1 for his car!

The article was on display in the (now closed) car museum in Clonmel, many years ago.