MMA on the street?

juijitsu black

Hey guys.. I was in Cafe en sein, I think thats what it called, in Dublin. last night and when I came out I saw a guy I know from MMA, He beat crap outta some poor dude for ... Im sure some reason :rolleyes: But I know from being a pro boxer ( not a great one thoe) Lol. and a Juijitsu Black belt that I coud be sent to prison for using my skills on the street. .............. Anyway, does anybody know if this this is the same in MMA? Im sure it is And if ya dont know, what is your opinion on this and would you let thest street fighters take part in your Promotin? Me for one I would like to see these thugs banned. You would not see, Randy, Chuck, Hardy, Cowzer, Roper, Mcclean, Mccan, ( Just a mix of random names) fight in the street to bring disrepute to MMA, so why should these other people get away with it........?? Names mentioned mean no reff, to anyone so dont be offended. I just say it the way it is guys, If some people take offence,, which is what I MAY have been told, well welcome to the real world off truth and common sence.

dunkamania

Firstly this smells a bit trollish

Secondly, your post is hard to read.

Thirdly, you claim to have witnessed a serious assault by someone you recognised (but did not feel the need to intervene?). I assume you have reported this to the authorities.

Finally, those who practice mma are well aware that breaking the law can lead to prison sentences and that the use of mma skills above that required to defend one self is likely to be viewed particularly harshly by a judge.

rovert

Thought this was going to be about War Machine or something

ginoginelli

hmmmmm....

dlofnep

rovert wrote: »

Thought this was going to be about War Machine or something

lol, yeah. guy has lost it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I hear some high horse's being saddled up for this one!.

But to be honest OP you didn't witness what kicked the fight off.

If someone is skilled in MMA or any other style of Martial Arts I'd expect them to use those skills in an affray and not roll over for a kicking.

Now acting the bully, or assaulting someone just because your skilled is a totally different thing entirely and should be frowned upon, as should posting after a few gargles maybe

Devastator

dunkamania wrote: »

Firstly this smells a bit trollish

I dunno what 'trollish' means but I'm wondering where he got the time as he's posted in another thread about being at cage wars the other night....which was in Belfast.

cletus

Assault has very little to do with the type of training you have, and more to do with the amount of force used in defending yourself etc.

ryoishin

Gone are the days when you needed a strong moral value system to be a martial artist.

I was started on by someone who trains in a well known mma gym on Hallowe'en. He was huge and Im tiny. He eventually mentioned he did mma and so I asked him where he trained. Told him where I trained and he turned to some other bloke and started having ago at him instead.

There are muppets in all walks of life.

cowzerp

juijitsu black wrote: »

You would not see, Randy, Chuck, Hardy, Cowzer.

I've always dreamed of my name been mentioned with Randy and Chuck so finally my dream has been fulfilled, that was easier than i thought it would be though,

Professey Chin

Wasnt Chuck involved in that street fight when Murray laid out Ortiz

DrPhilG

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Wasnt Chuck involved in that street fight when Murray laid out Ortiz

He was. Matt Hughes said Chuck had his back to the wall and people were running in on him. Chuck was just laying them out one after the other as they came in.

dlofnep

cowzerp wrote: »

I've always dreamed of my name been mentioned with Randy and Chuck so finally my dream has been fulfilled, that was easier than i thought it would be though,

Send us an autograph in the mail Paul, will ya?

KevinH

ryoishin wrote: »

Gone are the days when you needed a strong moral value system to be a martial artist.

I was started on by someone who trains in a well known mma gym on Hallowe'en. He was huge and Im tiny. He eventually mentioned he did mma and so I asked him where he trained. Told him where I trained and he turned to some other bloke and started having ago at him instead.

There are muppets in all walks of life.

Was he a pro mma fighter or someone who just trained at a gym ?

Either way it's unacceptable but for a pro-mma fighter to be starting on people who are smaller than him and who (as far as he knows) have no mma training is ridiculous and anyone who does it should be banned from every gym in the country.

muckwarrior

ryoishin wrote: »

I was started on by someone who trains in a well known mma gym on Hallowe'en. He was huge and Im tiny. He eventually mentioned he did mma and so I asked him where he trained. Told him where I trained and he turned to some other bloke and started having ago at him instead.

Sounds like the kinda guy that goes to a couple of classes so he can buy the hoodie and go around tellin everyone he's a cage fighter.

Dancor

ryoishin wrote: »

Gone are the days when you needed a strong moral value system to be a martial artist.

I was started on by someone who trains in a well known mma gym on Hallowe'en. He was huge and Im tiny. He eventually mentioned he did mma and so I asked him where he trained. Told him where I trained and he turned to some other bloke and started having ago at him instead.

There are muppets in all walks of life.

These fools should be reported to their clubs and coaches. If they claim to be representing a club they need to do it with respect.

Roper

cowzerp wrote: »

I've always dreamed of my name been mentioned with Randy and Chuck so finally my dream has been fulfilled, that was easier than i thought it would be though,

Agreed. I feel like I'm finally on top of the world.

To be honest though, I never fight in the street. I prefer to do this.

arybvtcw0eolkf

dlofnep wrote: »

Send us an autograph in the mail Paul, will ya?

One of my friends bought a pair of his used Y-Fronts on eBay, skid marks (and embedded red pubes) were an optional extra :mad:

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rovert

Ok which one of you lads started on Phil Baroni in Abrakebabra?

The way it was explained to me was that if someone attacked me with a weapon then I have the legal right to immobilize them by any means.

Furious-Dave

Brayden Sour Mariner wrote: »

I hear some high horse's being saddled up for this one!.

But to be honest OP you didn't witness what kicked the fight off.

If someone is skilled in MMA or any other style of Martial Arts I'd expect them to use those skills in an affray and not roll over for a kicking.

Now acting the bully, or assaulting someone just because your skilled is a totally different thing entirely and should be frowned upon, as should posting after a few gargles maybe

Sorry bit confused here. Are you saying you expect someone who is trained to actually use their abilities? Perhaps you're not going into enough detail. Combat sports are designed for fighting, and that is exactly what you DON'T want to do on the street. Each combat sport has a mentality behind the training and fighting, you slip into that frame of mind on the street and you've got an express ticket to prison. The advantage of using combat sports is that you learn how to put people down with minimal effort.
The first thing that should be taught in "realistic" self protection is the legislation regarding assault.

mirwillbeback

I was on a flight back from Birmingham last night, three absolute scumbags from Meath were on it, locked. Mouthed off as we were getting on the flight to two young lads ( about 20 - 22 ) and when we arrived in Dublin, one of them slapped the young lad across the head and told him he'd burst him. Meanwhile the other scummer headbutted the other young lad who went over to try break it up.
One of the scumbags was big and stocky, but drunk, and I really wanted to go over and give him a scrap, just for being such a bully. My mate with me doesn't train and kept me walking away ( probably rightly so ) telling me it wasn't my business ( which it wasn't ).
Having said that, it's so tempting to stand up against these bullies, I was sizing him up and all I could think of were leg kicks as he was struggling for balance as it was from the drink.
As we went through passport control I just told the policeman what happened so not sure if anything was done, but it really put a downer on my weekend. Shouldnt let it bother me, but I really do wonder about some of our so called " human beings ".

ginoginelli

Furious-Dave wrote: »

Sorry bit confused here. Are you saying you expect someone who is trained to actually use their abilities? Perhaps you're not going into enough detail. Combat sports are designed for fighting, and that is exactly what you DON'T want to do on the street. Each combat sport has a mentality behind the training and fighting, you slip into that frame of mind on the street and you've got an express ticket to prison. The advantage of using combat sports is that you learn how to put people down with minimal effort.
The first thing that should be taught in "realistic" self protection is the legislation regarding assault.

*grabs popcorn and eagerly awaits for Mairt to kick furious off his high horse"

:D

da-bres

ginoginelli wrote: »

*grabs popcorn and eagerly awaits for Mairt to kick furious off his high horse"

:D

hee hee!! thumbs up on that one!!

Jarren

Could you imagine being this poor guy in the ring with ..........

http://www.iviewtube.com/v/119/chuck-liddell-on-entourage-p2

Watch until the end;)

irishdownhiller

can i ask if your actually a ju jitsu black belt and a pro boxer? if so would most..if not someone on here no you? not trying to claim you arent just wondering!

judas101

juijitsu black wrote: »

He beat crap outta some poor dude for some reason

Why didnt you use your super ninja boxing skills on him? :rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf

Furious-Dave wrote: »

Sorry bit confused here. Are you saying you expect someone who is trained to actually use their abilities? Perhaps you're not going into enough detail. Combat sports are designed for fighting, and that is exactly what you DON'T want to do on the street. Each combat sport has a mentality behind the training and fighting, you slip into that frame of mind on the street and you've got an express ticket to prison. The advantage of using combat sports is that you learn how to put people down with minimal effort.
The first thing that should be taught in "realistic" self protection is the legislation regarding assault.

Dave, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

If I was involved in an affray on the street absolutely I'd use my skills, it would be fool hardy not to.

Luckily I've never initiated a fight on the street, but in over 15 yrs working in pubs & clubs I've been involved in more than I could ever remember and not once have I ever had to justify my actions to anyone.

Tbh, and I don't know you from Adam Dave but you appear to have a Walter Mitty view of what actually happens when your assaulted on the street.

Raze_them_all

Brayden Sour Mariner wrote: »

Dave, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

If I was involved in an affray on the street absolutely I'd use my skills, it would be fool hardy not to.

Luckily I've never initiated a fight on the street, but in over 15 yrs working in pubs & clubs I've been involved in more than I could ever remember and not once have I ever had to justify my actions to anyone.

Tbh, and I don't know you from Adam Dave but you appear to have a Walter Mitty view of what actually happens when your assaulted on the street.

Guns can jam bringh a knife just incase :P

I'd never start a fight, but If I was attacked I'd have no problem using my training to neutralize the threat to myself.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Guns can jam bringh a knife just incase :P

Fix bayonets so, 'tis the charge of the light brigade :P

Raze_them_all wrote: »

I'd never start a fight, but If I was attacked I'd have no problem using my training to neutralize the threat to myself.

Now you see Dave might say (and I'm not putting words in his mouth) that to "neutralize the threat to myself" mean's using minimum force, but its been my experience that most people involved in a street fight have the intention to hurt you pretty damned bad and won't take a bitch slap to make 'em see the error of their ways.

I think we're thinking along the same lines.

Only once have I ever been to court due to an incident on the street, it was back in May 2006 when I intervened in a post office robbery. The robbery tried to have me charged with assault, however it never went further than the guard cautioning me that there was a complaint of assault against me.

My Martial Arts background was never mentioned in court, infact the only people to mention it was The Star news paper when it mentioned that I fought with the Defence Forces Judo team, meh.

The guy got eight years, I don't think I even broke a sweat

Raze_them_all

Brayden Sour Mariner wrote: »

Fix bayonets so, 'tis the charge of the light brigade :P



Now you see Dave might say (and I'm not putting words in his mouth) that to "neutralize the threat to myself" mean's using minimum force, but its been my experience that most people involved in a street fight have the intention to hurt you pretty damned bad and won't take a bitch slap to make 'em see the error of their ways.

+1

When someone starts on you in the street they very rarely telegraph their intention, it's usually a suprise blow, usually dirty, when yer not looking, headbutt etc. People when they're drunk are extremely messy fighters, dulled sense of pain and can be quite a handful. Minimal effort isn't always an option, it'd be great if you could just down someone and they'd **** off, but they usually pop right back up and want another crack at you

Furious-Dave

Ok, I think I should explain my point a little better. Looking back over my post I see I left a good bit out. Firstly, I'm looking at things from a (perhaps overly) cautious legal point of view, and secondly I didn't say "minimum force", I said minimal effort, you can use all the force you want. What I mean by that is go straight for knock-down targets, other than the head and face i.e. liver, spleen, groin in this case, bladder and even low kicks. I say avoid the head and face because if you do end up in court the last thing you want is the guy arriving there with a broken face that's 20 shades of black and blue. Also, this isn't a gun fight. Against one or two unarmed, untrained attackers, there's absolutely no reason why someone who trains in MMA, Muay Thai or whatever would ever need to use the full extent of their training. There's also a limit when the defense someone uses actually becomes assault, which seems to be the case in the first post, if it's actually true of course.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dave honestly I'm not just disagreeing with you for the sake of it.

But you mentioned two unarmed & untrained assailants, seriously Bruce Lee would have trouble against more than one assailant.

You can drill and drill these scenario's inside the dojo or club but you'll never, ever replicate the violent intend of a street fight.

But anyway this is getting into the realm's of fantasy, if someone skilled in Martial Arts was involved in an affray on the street and didn't use their skills I'd call them a fool.

Now I'm not talking about purposely applying a joint lock for the purpose of breaking a joint when the fight is already over, but if a joint lock presents itself I'd say you'd be foolish not to attack it. But usually the first target to present itself is the head, quick KO and everything's rosey in the garden :P

paddyc

My mate with me doesn't train and kept me walking away ( probably rightly so ) telling me it wasn't my business ( which it wasn't ).

aye I heard he was telling you to walk away to the toilet to change ur bags as they were full of poo:) ya fag

Imagine watching 2 young lads get a slap and leaving them to it... your some up standin member of the community.

mirwillbeback

paddyc wrote: »

aye I heard he was telling you to walk away to the toilet to change ur bags as they were full of poo:) ya fag

Imagine watching 2 young lads get a slap and leaving them to it... your some up standin member of the community.

if them lads were teachers i would have had NO problem kicking their asses up and down the airport until they realised how lucky they are to have part time jobs while ripping off this state.

busy in Newry last Wednesday ?
:eek:

MichaelDevlin

Im always hearing if you use you skills on the street you will end up in jail or loose your licence. The law in this country is the same for everyone. If you attack someone it dosnt matter what belt/training you have or have not you still should end up in jail. If your attcked and you just happen to be well trained and you make a mess of the guy well thats their problem(of course there are limits). As long as you stop at the point the attaker is no longer a threat. Im just sick of people saying you cant use there skills on the street. Nobody has more of a right to fight than anyone else.

cletus

nobody has a right to fight on the street at all, and you don't have the right to "make a mess" of anybody either, you can only use enough force to remove the danger, or remove yourself from the danger. Belts dont make any difference, training doesnt make any difference, because you can only use the same amoiunt of force as anybody else.

Now, your training might help you to do that more effectively, so if your a boxer, and you get attcked and cannot escape the situation, your traibning might let yoiu deal with it, i.e. left hook to the jaw, lights out, but you cant hit him again once he's on the ground

Furious-Dave

Brayden Sour Mariner wrote: »

Dave honestly I'm not just disagreeing with you for the sake of it.

But you mentioned two unarmed & untrained assailants, seriously Bruce Lee would have trouble against more than one assailant.

You can drill and drill these scenario's inside the dojo or club but you'll never, ever replicate the violent intend of a street fight.

But anyway this is getting into the realm's of fantasy, if someone skilled in Martial Arts was involved in an affray on the street and didn't use their skills I'd call them a fool.

Now I'm not talking about purposely applying a joint lock for the purpose of breaking a joint when the fight is already over, but if a joint lock presents itself I'd say you'd be foolish not to attack it. But usually the first target to present itself is the head, quick KO and everything's rosey in the garden :P

Actually I'm not really disagreeing with you. My main point is that what you do in a self defense situation might actually stand against you if it goes to court. Take Cletus' boxer for example. I have faith that a trained boxer could just as easily throw a hook to the liver or spleen and have a similar effect, without the broken jaw. I'm not suggesting that a trained person shouldn't use their skills, just that they should be aware that what they do could get them in trouble and that they can knock someone down without going anywhere near the head.

As for the taking on more than one person. There's a lot of myth surrounding this. Like everything else there's variables to be taken into consideration. Eg The size of the attackers, are they trained, the size of the defending person, are they trained. I seriously doubt Bruce Lee would have had any trouble handling 2 attackers. Hell the last fight I was in was against 2 guys. But they were half my size and clearly had no training. Also we were all very drunk. But from what I remember they were at such a range that had I been sober I could have floored both of them with a couple of low kicks.

Brayden Sour Mariner, how about at this stage we just agree to disagree

arybvtcw0eolkf

Furious-Dave wrote: »

Makikomi, how about at this stage we just agree to disagree

Are you mad!...




:P

Jason Mc

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

MMA_FAN

Jason Mc wrote: »

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

I'll take them odds any day...!!!:):)

wingnut4

If anyone attacked me I would definetly use whatever skills I had to stop them attacking me. I wouldnt go overboard and start jumping on their head if they arent moving like. I would hit/hurt/submit them until they cant hurt me anymore. Its the art of survival!

If its someone who is huge and being a girl, most men would be able to hurt me, id hit them and run!

yourdeadwright

I know a lad who would be well know to quite a few people on these boards ,who fights pro bouts and trains in a well know dublin club, and it seems every few weeks i hear of him beating up or picking on someone and there always small and harmless, To be honest i wouldn have the balls to say anything to him because he'd kick my ass. but it does happen and it woud be nieve to think it doesn't

Horioni

I totally agree, on the street there are no rules, if you end up on the ground you need to get up asap, if your stuck on the ground with someone trying to do some BJJ on you, bite his nose, ears off... then get back up on your feet! Game over!!

muckwarrior

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I know a lad who would be well know to quite a few people on these boards ,who fights pro bouts and trains in a well know dublin club, and it seems every few weeks i hear of him beating up or picking on someone and there always small and harmless, To be honest i wouldn have the balls to say anything to him because he'd kick my ass. but it does happen and it woud be nieve to think it doesn't

Perhaps you should let his coach know. I don't think they'd want that kind of asshole giving their club and sport a bad name.

Jason Mc

muckwarrior wrote: »

Perhaps you should let his coach know. I don't think they'd want that kind of asshole giving their club and sport a bad name.

your dead right

Jarren

That's how the do MMA street fighting far,far away.....

Sorry about the video quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ampZAtKlM&feature=player_embedded

juijitsu black

[quote=muckwarrPerhaps you should let his coach know. I don't think they'd want that kind of asshole giving their club and sport a bad name.[/quote]

I was going to do that buy this guy is a good kid, I think a few too many drinks took control, Plus I dont know the whole story why he busted him

So I decided to post it here and see everyones opinion.:)

Roper

Yes that's the best bet. Don't have a quiet word with anyone, the sensible thing to do is to post it on the internet and have everyone who comes to this forum have their preconceptions about MMA fighters confirmed.

Raze_them_all

juijitsu black wrote: »

I was going to do that buy this guy is a good kid, I think a few too many drinks took control, Plus I dont know the whole story why he busted him

So I decided to post it here and see everyones opinion.:)

Drink doens't make you lose control, it makes you not think