searching for Guerins & Heffernan relatives

madhatter49

hi...I'm Kate, ne Kathleeen Guerin. I'm researching my great grandparents, James Guerin and Mary Heffernan. They were married and had eleven children, christened at St Marys in Listowel, Co Kerry. The time span of children was from 1860s thru 1880s. My Grandfather was Patrick Joseph Guerin. His siblings were Maurice, Joseph, John, Michael, Denis, Hannah, Ellen, Daniel,and James (the first Patrick died).
Per 1911 Ireland Census, in Listowel Urban, Co Kerry, James, Mary and Ellen, and Ellen’s son Gerald Collor lived at #6 in the townland of Ballgrennan, the barony of Clommanrice, and the parish of Finage; and Heffernan relatives (maybe Mary’s nephew) lived in #7.
Does anyone know any Guerins or Heffernans related to my ancestors? Please contact me at katema@aol.com or mackattack49@yahoo.com.
Thanks so much...Kate (nee Kate Guerin)

Scoobydoobydoo

Hi Kate, I don't have any ancestors of those surnames, but I thought I'd bring this new website to your attention. It's from the government therefore it's free access - it's got a lot of parish data, so far only from Co. Kerry & Dublin. You may find it useful. http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ I have't looked at any ancestry stuff in Kerry, but have noticed an awful lot of Guerins in Co. Limerick.

Best of luck.

convert

I'm pretty sure I saw quite a few Heffernans from Kerry crop up on it too, which may be of help.

madhatter49

thanks so much, Scoob...I have been using this link and have continued to make inroads...any idea where deaths are recorded in Ireland...someplace central, or church records and cemetaries...in the states we can get maiden names off the death social security index. I could use a maiden name or two to inch back further.

Scoobydoobydoo

To get a birth death or marriage certificate you firstly need to go through the index here - http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;c=1408347
These indexes began in 1864, and come up to 1958. Non Catholics had civil records from an earlier date, about 1846 I think.

Narrow down your search be area, name event etc. When you've found the person of interest, collect the information you'll need to fill out the form to get the certificate in the General Register Office in Dublin.

Let me know if I can help any more.

madhatter49

I think I might have found the years my great grandparents died (1915 - 1919) on that website you posted. Will the actual certificates have their respected mothers' maiden names included? Will is list their spouses? and other info on death certificate?

thanks so much for your help, scoob.

pinkypinky

Kate,

Have a read of the sticky below: it details what's on each type of cert.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055579524

Death certs don't have parents names at all. It's only since 2008 that Irish death certs include this information, and even then, it's only if the person registering the death knows it.

madhatter49

thanks Pinky....I had already cut and paste that post, and am processing bits of that info as I go along....I've hit a brick wall and feel like I'm playing suduko and at this point I have to make an educated guess on the maiden names....if I'm wrong I might end up with two 4s in the suduko grid.
I have a number of possibilities. Someone posted, maybe you, a blurb about Irish tradition of the naming of sons (paternal grandfather's name, then maternal grandfathers name, then fathers name), so I'm trying to use that in my educational guesses.
Are family bibles used to record births, marriages, deaths, in Ireland?

pinkypinky

They are - but it's mainly a Protestant tradition. I've never come across any Catholics who had one.

The naming patterns should only be used as a guideline - not everyone did it. Incidentally, I have a Guerins family too - with an S though. They are mainly Limerick and Waterford though.

madhatter49

pinkypinky wrote: »

They are - but it's mainly a Protestant tradition. I've never come across any Catholics who had one.

The naming patterns should only be used as a guideline - not everyone did it. Incidentally, I have a Guerins family too - with an S though. They are mainly Limerick and Waterford though.

hi...I'm looking at these past posts several years later; I've made a lot of in roads since you posted a reply. I found out that my Cornelius Guerin and his wife Lizzie Mitchell lived in Waterford while he was in the RIC. Are there any sites online to access Waterford other than the LDS sites? I know Lizzie had a number of children who died at birth or shortly after and I'm trying to locate them. Thanks!

pinkypinky

Waterford is poorly represented online.

http://www.waterfordcountylibrary.ie/en/familyhistory/

The library has a few bits. They're not on either parish record site yet. Parish records are in the National Library so the LDS will have copies. The NLI is tendering to digitise theirs so hopefully later this year there'll be scans of them online (they are not transcribing, just scanning).