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Kids on the forum

  • 25-11-2009 3:45pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭


    I am as guilty as the next person for sticking in the odd f*** but I have noticed lately that the tone of some airsoft posts are in the gutter.I am no prude and they are not bad enough to warrent reporting yet but with kids using this forum does anyone else think it's time to improve our standards.
    Post edited by Shield on


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 14,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Master


    Do you have any examples of these "gutter" type posts from the Airsoft forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    their parents should be watching what they are up to if they are too young to see the word ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Have you raised your concerns directly with the Airsoft mods? They're not ogres.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Agreed, report posts if your concerned but parents do have a responsibility to


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 14,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Master


    sceptre wrote: »
    Have you raised your concerns directly with the Airsoft mods? They're not ogres.

    As above, you are free to PM any of the mods at any time if you want to discuss this


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭se conman


    The reason I have not PMed the Mods is that I didn't know if it was just me being over protective.My beef is not with coarse language but with using sexual references.As I said , maybe I'm just being over protective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    se conman wrote: »
    The reason I have not PMed the Mods is that I didn't know if it was just me being over protective.My beef is not with coarse language but with using sexual references.As I said , maybe I'm just being over protective.
    click the report post button a few times and chat to the mods.
    its the only way you'll know and bring it to their attention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Airsoft Forum:confused:

    Where's that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    Airsoft Forum:confused:

    Where's that?

    Sports > Airsoft


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    They hear way worse in real-life and on TV. Boards reflects the posters views on certain topics and this should not be restricted if they aren't going against the charter.

    People curse, the world keeps spinning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,351 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Should kids be using airsoft in the first place? Not being facetious, I honestly don't know but would have assumed it was an adults thing.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    We are not responsible for what kids see on the internet.
    Their parents are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Its not a site for kids.

    If they sign up, they should be watched by their parents.

    Somewhat like tv


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    It should only be considered a problem if its breaking our "civility" rule, ie: if the swearing is aimed at another user, or if its really excessive. Report posts you feel are problems.

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,640 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    For the sake of discussion...

    I think the OP has a point. I'm not talking about any forum in particular, just a general overall impression. Boards.ie has a language filter and it constantly gets circumvented just for the sake of circumvention.

    I appricate that it is not Boards.ie responsibality for what gets posted and even with the best will in the World some innapropiate posts make it through but this is NOT an adult only site. There is no 'Over 18' tag on registration (as far as I remember - open to correction on this). Anyone can sign up to boards.ie and parents should be able to have a modicum of confidence that kiddies are not getting uneccessarly exposed to coarse/crude language and imagery (Mental imagry conjured by the written word rather then picture files).

    I see the argument above that it's just the way of the World and that in real life kids get exposed to foul language all the time. It's true that they do but that dosen't make it right or acceptable and there exists here an opertunity to show that it's also unneccary rather then required.

    Perhaps it's because I know my girls read Boards that I cringe at some of the imagery conjured by some of the more colourful posts or perhaps it's just because I'm feeling particulary prudish today but I believe that mods SHOULD take a stronger stance against innappropiate language.
    It's dosen't take a lot of effort to add a line to the Forums charters requesting posters to be a tad more circumspect with their language. The occasional finger-wagging nannyish post on the more excitable posts keeps the majority of posters in check.

    However it is the readers responsibality to report what they feel is inappropiate and then for the mods to exercise their judgment on that report.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I can be considerably offensive and nasty without using a single "four letter word". The problem isnt the use of 4-letter words its the intent and the "civility" of the message. Posters who are consistently and excessively vulgar should be warned to tone it down.

    Delicate minds should be monitored by their parents and if they wander out onto the internet, Boards is one of the lesser worries their parents should have!!

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    If post break the rules then report them and esclate if needs be.

    As for kids reading boards, I know one day soon enough mine will want boards accounts and I will let them and then go about confirming that they are my kids accounts with the admins and will be asking for access to be denyed to a list of forums which I consider not suitible for them until they are older.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Yeah I agree.

    Fucking kids. They shouldn't be on this website.
    Too many fucks, Shits and pricks on this forum.

    There's no way children would be exposed to swearing before coming on here is there? I mean I've never heard a teenager ever fucking swear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭se conman


    brummytom wrote: »
    Yeah I agree.

    Fucking kids. They shouldn't be on this website.
    Too many fucks, Shits and pricks on this forum.

    There's no way children would be exposed to swearing before coming on here is there? I mean I've never heard a teenager ever fucking swear
    If you bothered to read my OP you would have seen that it was NOT about cursing but WAS about sexual referances.For example , what have condoms or Ms Luinski's abilities got to do with airsoft.
    This thread was just for me to guage other people's opinions on standards.It was NOT intended as a rant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Apologies, I misread your OP.


    I only joined here earlier this year, aged 15. I think that's probably the youngest age that should be on here. It's a discussion forum, things not suitable for all ages may well come up.. younger children should have some kind of parental guidance. I didn't and look what it did to me! :P

    Though your examples sound like dragging threads off-topic. I don't know the charter of the airsoft forum, but deliberately dragging threads off-topic can warrent a ban or warning in some forums. I'd suggest reporting anything you feel shouldn't be there :)


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    brummytom wrote: »
    younger children should have some kind of parental guidance. I didn't and look what it did to me! :P

    I'll be quite happy to initiate some parental guidance if you feel you need it.... :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Rev. BlueJeans


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    I'll be quite happy to initiate some parental guidance if you feel you need it.... :)

    portrait-williams.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    I'll be quite happy to initiate some parental guidance if you feel you need it.... :)

    Family_Guy_Stewie_Spank_Me_Red_Shirt.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭se conman


    Thanks lads , this started off as a serious and productive discussion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Rev. BlueJeans


    Weren't you guys told what to do, no?

    1. Boards is not responsible for unrestricted underage users (although in fairness, there are fairly rigid rules to the effect of no porn etc., on most fora).

    2. Report the posts or interact with the mods as appropriate, they even said as such themselves on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    It's a forum about shooting each other with very realistic imitation guns. If they aren't old enough to be using the f-word they shouldn't be there, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    OldGoat wrote: »
    Perhaps it's because I know my girls read Boards that I cringe at some of the imagery conjured by some of the more colourful posts or perhaps it's just because I'm feeling particulary prudish today but I believe that mods SHOULD take a stronger stance against innappropiate language.

    What is inappropriate language?
    And if inappropriate language should be modded, should inappropriate content be deleted?
    Should girls (some of whom may be <18) talking openly about sex, in graphic terms, in the Ladies Lounge, be deleted? Or even if its not graphic, should the mere discussion of sex be removed? Should questions about STDs be removed?
    And should people being disrespectful to god in A&A be banned?
    And what about discussion of violence and guns and other unsavoury things in military and elsewhere?

    You see, what is and is not appropriate is a personal judgment and you cant expect many voluntary mods to have a uniform veiw of such things, and particularly not for that veiw to be in line with yours. A swear filter is cheap and easy to use but it actually serves no real purpose (other than with regard to corporate filters). Perhaps there should be some kind of "Beware of content" warning before registering, but, it is not reasonable to expect mods/admins to act as some kind of moral adjudicator of post content.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,640 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    What is inappropriate language?
    And if inappropriate language should be modded, should inappropriate content be deleted?
    Should girls (some of whom may be <18) talking openly about sex, in graphic terms, in the Ladies Lounge, be deleted? Or even if its not graphic, should the mere discussion of sex be removed? Should questions about STDs be removed?
    And should people being disrespectful to god in A&A be banned?
    And what about discussion of violence and guns and other unsavoury things in military and elsewhere?
    You see, what is and is not appropriate is a personal judgment and you cant expect many voluntary mods to have a uniform veiw of such things, and particularly not for that veiw to be in line with yours. A swear filter is cheap and easy to use but it actually serves no real purpose (other than with regard to corporate filters). Perhaps there should be some kind of "Beware of content" warning before registering, but, it is not reasonable to expect mods/admins to act as some kind of moral adjudicator of post content.
    Too define 'innapropiate language' as I see it let me make up an example that you might find in the F&A forum. Imagine if you will a pic posted of a new dress purchased. The reply comment could be "Thats ****ing gorgous" or "Thats really gorgous". Thats a very simplistic example but I (personally) deem one of those to be innapropiate and unwarrented. With a Mod hat on though I'd let it slip by as a first offence, not worth a warning but I'd be on the watch for further expletives and if there are more then one or two in the post I'd then edit or delete the post.
    Thats dealing with foul language. More incidious are the posts as per the op's examples.
    For example , what have condoms or Ms Luinski's abilities got to do with airsoft.
    . It's when topics start to slide into banility. Nothing to do with the topic at hand and generally thrown in with a wry grin to show it's 'lighthearted'. The problem is that it's the first of the lighthearted comments and opens the floodgates.
    To go back to my first made up example "Thats ****ing gorgous". What if that were only part of the comment? What if it continued with "My boyfriend will cream his pants when he sees me in this". Are we starting to get offensive yet? What if that decends into something more graphic again?
    Yes it is a judgment call for the mods and yes every mod has their own tolerence levels so there will never be a 100% consensous on whats appropiate or not but I feel that by letting standards slip we will only create a much bigger headache down the line.
    Should girls (some of whom may be <18) talking openly about sex, in graphic terms, in the Ladies Lounge, be deleted? Or even if its not graphic, should the mere discussion of sex be removed? Should questions about STDs be removed?
    And should people being disrespectful to god in A&A be banned?
    And what about discussion of violence and guns and other unsavoury things in military and elsewhere?
    No, no and no.
    If the threads and the comments are OT then there is no problem. If I go to tLL and open a thread about underage sex and STD's then I expect to be reading comments about underage sex and STDs. Likewise in A&A and Military. What I am saying here is finding innapropiate comments in other threads. To use my made up example again I shoud not have to read about someones boyfriends shortcomings in a thread about the OP's new dress.
    As mentioned again and again it's up to the reader to point out anything that they deem unacceptable in a thread and then for the Mod to decide what action to take. But I believe the mod SHOULD try to prempt these reports, to make that judgement call on posts before it gets to the Report stage - and that requires ModEditing or deleting of posts. That judgement call is the stuff of nightmares for mods.
    I have a rule of thumb that I use to help me along. I'll not say anything on boards that I'd not say infront of the neighbours kids (given the context of the thread). It's simply a respect thing.
    "it is not reasonable to expect mods/admins to act as some kind of moral adjudicator of post content". Thats true, it is unreasonable but it's necessary and it's what the mods-admins do day in day out.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    i'd say the average age on the airsoft forum is 43


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Its not just the Mods or admins problem or responsibility. If you see something, dont just scroll by, report it. Its one click away.

    Believe me, if you are reasonable about it, the mods will WELCOME your report because it assists them to target things better.

    In the thematically appropriate language, its like a laser spotter lighting up a target for the airforce to hit.

    Have you reported posts to date?

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭se conman


    I have not reported any posts as one thread was locked 5 days ago for review and other posts do not warrent reporting yet , in my opinion.I just wondered did other people think , like me , that we were going down a slippery slope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    OldGoat wrote: »
    "it is not reasonable to expect mods/admins to act as some kind of moral adjudicator of post content". Thats true, it is unreasonable but it's necessary and it's what the mods-admins do day in day out.

    They act as 'adjudicators' alright, but im not sure they act as 'moral' adjudicators. The point I am making is that one parent's views as to what their kids should be exposed to is very different to another's and I dont think it is reasonable for mods to make that kind of assessment. There are some lines that shouldnt be crossed, but they tend to be borderline legal issues (racism, harrassment etc) - if the mods need to start taking into consoderation what little Billly's mammy wouldnt want him to see, a forum like this wouldn't be capable of operating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    ACtually one of the reason's the Sex and & sexuallity forum is not public is to that little billy's mammy can't be ringing Joe and givng out about him reading it.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    You just know little billy's mammy is called mary, and is from malahide....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    sceptre wrote: »
    Have you raised your concerns directly with the Airsoft mods? They're not ogres.

    Haven't you met o1s1n? He's a pretty scary dude with his trenchcoat and long hair! ;)

    On a serious note, the Airsoft forum doesn't seem to have much of a problem with bad language or sexual references. Though I have seen closed 'Troll' & 'Baiting' threads in AH that were more civil that some of the emotive threads that have appeared in the Airsoft forum.

    Please o1s1n, don't shoot me! :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    I think posters should be allowed to retract un-parliamentry language.

    As we know, that cancels it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    sdonn wrote: »
    It's a forum about shooting each other with very realistic imitation guns. If they aren't old enough to be using the f-word they shouldn't be there, tbh.
    38 posts in and not one example linked to or quoted of immaturity in the airsoft forum :confused:

    if you think the forum needs to start enforcing a certain level of maturity/decorum then take it up with the mods of that forum. I know for instance that the politics and Personal Issues mods do not put up with that kind of shit and the sky hasnt started burning or anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    I read that forum a bit too much tbh, and the worst I've seen is a reference to wood, on a wooden furnitured gun.

    Airsoft is like a 15's film, after watching it a bit, you wonder why it wasn't rated pg, then theres a mild reference of some sort, and you go ah.. that's why.

    I've seen worse on coronation street.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I disagree all kids around the pre-pubescent to early teens age groups are exposed to sexual language all the time on TV, among their peers etc, but I do agree it is not Boards.ie's responsibility to ensure such a demographic is protected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    You just know little billy's mammy is called mary, and is from malahide....

    I thought she was from Terenure? :confused: :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,075 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Haven't you met o1s1n? He's a pretty scary dude with his trenchcoat and long hair! ;)

    You seem to be getting me confused with someone else! I haven't warn a trench coat in over a decade.

    Unless you've been following me for a lot longer than I've known you on here..

    <.<

    >.>
    On a serious note, the Airsoft forum doesn't seem to have much of a problem with bad language or sexual references. Though I have seen closed 'Troll' & 'Baiting' threads in AH that were more civil that some of the emotive threads that have appeared in the Airsoft forum.

    Please o1s1n, don't shoot me! :p

    I know we're not here to police what children see, but personally I try to remove any sexual content on the forum that goes beyond PG-13. The odd comment may have slipped by over the last three years but I think as a whole we run a tight enough watch.


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