CSC Logo on posters

BERNHARD GOETZ

So I hear the CSC logo is now mandatory on all all society posters, that's pretty lol.

Which self-important CSC retard came up with this bright idea?

Agent Smith

its pretty simple, Any poster that doesnt have the Logo, gets taken down. Stops Places in the city using trinity for free advertising....

Kopf

Agent Smith wrote: »

its pretty simple, Any poster that doesnt have the Logo, gets taken down. Stops Places in the city using trinity for free advertising....

What's to stop me, being an enterprising city businessman, from downloading the CSC logo and adding it to my ad?

BERNHARD GOETZ

Agent Smith wrote: »

its pretty simple, Any poster that doesnt have the Logo, gets taken down. Stops Places in the city using trinity for free advertising....

Kopf wrote: »

What's to stop me, being an enterprising city businessman, from downloading the CSC logo and adding it to my ad?

Impeccable CSC logic thwarted once again!

I wonder what fool proof scheme they'll come up with next!

Brian

CSC Holographic logos, à la passports. Take that, promoters and people who have lost laptops!

PurpleFistMixer

Agent Smith wrote: »

its pretty simple, Any poster that doesnt have the Logo, gets taken down. Stops Places in the city using trinity for free advertising....

Societies already had to display their name on the poster though, which fulfilled almost exactly the same function as this CSC logo thing.

phlegms

Fight the powah!

SligoBrewer

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

Societies already had to display their name on the poster though, which fulfilled almost exactly the same function as this CSC logo thing.

Might have something to do with éirígí not getting CSC backing. They put up posters criticising the CSC..

Prof.Badass

BERNHARD GOETZ wrote: »

So I hear the CSC logo is now mandatory on all all society posters, that's pretty lol.

Which self-important CSC retard came up with this bright idea?

Who cares?

A policy of non-compliance from the societies will easily do away with this pointless inconvenience.

I mean, who has ever notified csc 3 weeks in advance that they're holding an event outside campus?

EGaffney

This seems odd. Someone from CSC ought to come on here and explain why it's happening. Surely society affiliation is enough to separate the society events from the non-society events, and that's already compulsory.

CSC as an institution is important, but it also has a sense of unwarranted self-importance. We don't need uniform "Trinity Societies" branding; I've opposed it while in CSC Executive in the past and would happily have done so in this case, unless there's a good reason for it.

devinejay

Between this and Mick sticking his TrinityEnts logo on every poster that ever promoted any music event ever, TCD have the whole advertising market monopolized.

Boston

Kopf wrote: »

What's to stop me, being an enterprising city businessman, from downloading the CSC logo and adding it to my ad?

Believe it or not, you're actually more intelligent then the average Muppet. I don't think the majority of noticeboard spammers will have the cop on to do as you say.

Additionally you're assuming that the stated reason is the actual reason. Sometimes rules look simple at face family but are really put in place as a method of asserting control. Now it's no longer good enough that a society needs to be legitimate, it also needs the CSC seal of approval. Never year they'll probably want to preview all posters a head of time. I mean there's actually no need for this retarded seal since it pretty obvious which societies are putting up which posters.

BlueCam

Original CSC email detailing the idea:

From: Secretary CSC <secretary@csc.tcd.ie>
Date: 2009/11/6
Subject: Please Read: New Postering Regulations
To: Secretary CSC <secretary@csc.tcd.ie>
Cc: Chairman CSC <chairman@csc.tcd.ie>, Treasurer CSC <treasurer@csc.tcd.ie>, Amenities CSC <amenities@csc.tcd.ie>, Emma Matthews <emma@csc.tcd.ie>, Lucy O'Connell <lucy@csc.tcd.ie>


*Please inform the rest of your committee about the content of this email*

Hi guys.

As you hopefully all know, to put posters up around college you were only required to have your society's name/logo displayed. We are now asking all societies to also display the CSC logo (which is attached to this email as a psd file and tiff file).

College has begun to demand more accountability from us with regards to students advertising their activities on campus. This is perhaps the simplest ways we can rise to that demand. By placing the CSC logo (attached to this email) on your posters from now on, you are clearly identifying the poster, the activities it is advertising and your society, as being supported by the CSC.

We have also received numerous complaints from many of you about organisations external to the college using the society notice boards. Displaying the CSC logo also means that students can easier identify posters that have nothing to do with societies, and rip them down.

We appreciate that many of the posters that go up around the college are made with great care and attention. We do not want to disturb that, we're not asking you to make the logo particularly large, or the centre piece of your design. But we would appreciate if you just got into the habit of sticking this logo on the corner of your poster somewhere. A lot of you already find space on your posters for independent sponsors who don't give you as much support (financial or otherwise) as the CSC does. So we don't think it's too much to ask.

Don't forget
Details of the postering regulations are available here. But the three big ones for you to remember are:
Society posters may NOT be any larger than A3 size.
Society posters may NOT advertise or promote alcohol. If your event is preceded by a 'reception' where you will be serving 'refreshments', you don't need to state any more than that. (Guys, please don't think you can get away with advertising €2 euro 'refreshments' - we aren't stupid)
Societies may ONLY put up one poster, per poster board for each event.
This system is policed by you. Which means if you see a society breaking the postering rules, you can take a picture on your phone, rip the posters down and report the offending society to the CSC. Societies who are caught breaking the rules once will be put on a warning. Societies who break the rules twice may have their grant for the year cut by 10%.

The last rule in particular may seem frustrating, but it's there for a good reason. There are 107 of you and are all entitled to the space.

The postering logo is attached to the bottom of this email in both a Photoshop and Tiff format. As well as that, stickers with this logo will be available in the CSC officers from after reading week.

Have a nice weekend!

David Adamson
--
CSC Secretary
Trinity College
trinitysocieties.ie

Brian

TIFF? Hahahahahaha.

BERNHARD GOETZ

What's wrong with TIFF?

gearoidof

I'mma go rip down some posters!

patzer117

College has begun to demand more accountability from us with regards to students advertising their activities on campus. This is perhaps the simplest ways we can rise to that demand. By placing the CSC logo (attached to this email) on your posters from now on, you are clearly identifying the poster, the activities it is advertising and your society, as being supported by the CSC.

This is ridiculous. Who is "College" in this sentence? And why haven't CSC explained their position properly. The Chair of CSC is on this forum, and posting regularly, but doesn't seem to want to contribute to this thread.

CSC should stop rolling over and demand more postering space. Not one specific problem was mentioned in this email except the need for "more accountability". If each society ripped down illegitimate posters when postering the "problem" would be solved.

Maybe I'd have more sympathy if "College" had the same problem with the SU advertising as with CSC advertising. I don't see "College" complaining about SU flyering or the abuse of student funds in printing five colour versions of the same poster for one noticeboard.

EGaffney

With all due respect to the Secretary of the CSC, his e-mail really doesn't give a reason why there's any benefit to a CSC logo being present on posters. Also, the comparison between the CSC (statutory society organising body, doesn't need publicity to do its job) and advertisers (commercial organisations, needs publicity to sell things) is spurious.

As always, there's an agenda none of us know about that's being pushed by the people who have real power in CSC, i.e. those who occupy the permanent paid positions.

Brian

BERNHARD GOETZ wrote: »

What's wrong with TIFF?

TIFF is typically only used as the output of scanning software : was the CSC logo hand-drawn? If not, PNG would do just as good a job at 100X less filesize.

Boston

Not a vector graphic. It's insanely large as well.

Boston

Baza210 wrote: »

TIFF is typically only used as the output of scanning software : was the CSC logo hand-drawn? If not, PNG would do just as good a job at 100X less filesize.

Yer not right there. TIFF is a format often used in publishing. Just because you've only encountered it in one context doesn't mean it only has one.

Brian

Boston wrote: »

Yer not right there. TIFF is a format often used in publishing. Just because you've only encountered it in one context doesn't mean it only has one.

Why the hell would a raster file format be used in publishing? I've seen TIFF in various places but scanning is the most prevalent.

Boston

Baza210 wrote: »

Why the hell would a raster file format be used in publishing? I've seen TIFF in various places but scanning is the most prevalent.

Find me a vector graphic format which can be used to represent a photograph. You'll see them in scanning because the format supports multiple images in one file. So if you start a job scanning 20 images you have save all 20 as one tiff. Handy.

Brian

Well PSD can handle both raster and vector, as far as I can recall. Also, PDF for multi-pages, as used by InDesign.
Anyway, apparently TIFF is actually all right for B&W, "An average A4 scanning produces 30 kBs of data at 200 ppi (pixels per inch of resolution) and 50 kB of data at 300 ppi;" but I prefer GIF for that kind of stuff.

Boston

That's semantics. If you're going have a hybrid image then EPS/PDF are commonly used with EPS also being popular for pure vectors. However, if you want to publish photos TIFF all the way. If you want your rasters images to be high def, TIFF all the way. If you don't believe me walk into reads professional printing and ask what file formats they want. PSD won't be there, neither will PNG, they'll ask for a high def TIFF.

Timans

Ah jesus, not another lovers tiff.

PurpleFistMixer

The logo isn't a vector anyway.

Brian

Well it should be!

Jonathan

Baza210 wrote: »

Well it should be!

No one cares tbh.

Brian

I care in the same way that I would care if a family member were using Internet Exploder.

Boston

It would be very difficult to create that logo as a vector graphic. Most graphic applications are no where near Omnigraffle in that regard. In fact I just install mac osx for better graphics editing.

PurpleFistMixer

Baza210 wrote: »

Well it should be!

I've been making it so tiny on every poster I've made since, they may as well have made it a pixel...

shay_562

EGaffney wrote: »

With all due respect to the Secretary of the CSC, his e-mail really doesn't give a reason why there's any benefit to a CSC logo being present on posters...As always, there's an agenda none of us know about that's being pushed by the people who have real power in CSC, i.e. those who occupy the permanent paid positions.

To the first part, agreed. I still don't get what this system does that the current system of "You must have your society logo visible on it" doesn't. There's still accountability. There's still a way to identify non-society posters and rip them down. If the problem is people using society logos or things that look like society logos to get around the rules, those same people will be able to get hold of the CSC logo and stick things up using it. I agree with Boston that most advertisers don't have that much cop on, but anyone flouting regulations now clearly has enough sense to keep flouting them under the new system.

To the second, again you're probably right, but I'm genuinely at a loss as to what the agenda could possibly be. I guess as petty shows of power go it's OK; I'd also reckon quite a few societies will forget about this rule in the first period of implementation, which might make for some convenient budget cuts by CSC, but both of those seem like meager rewards for this much effort.

One final thing that makes me curious - aren't clubs (under the remit of DUCAC) allowed to use the noticeboards around college for their events? And if so, do they have to display a CSC logo? If they don't, are they at risk of being torn down by overzealous society types? And most of all, if there's a group that can use the boards legitimately without the CSC logo, doesn't that just leave us back at square one?

EGaffney

shay_562 wrote: »

To the second, again you're probably right, but I'm genuinely at a loss as to what the agenda could possibly be. I guess as petty shows of power go it's OK; I'd also reckon quite a few societies will forget about this rule in the first period of implementation, which might make for some convenient budget cuts by CSC, but both of those seem like meager rewards for this much effort.

The permanent people in CSC are remarkably insecure about the future of their organisation; there is always a lot of talk about how the CSC as an organisation must secure its own survival, as a secondary goal to ensuring the societies are doing OK. I don't know why this is the case; presumably they know more than we do. As you said, I can't figure it out either. Maybe someone thinks that "unified branding" will somehow make everything better than it is. Maybe it's to throw a bit of weight around. But things like this do not just happen for no reason. We had a system; now we have a different system; there is no difference between the two systems in the accomplishment of their stated aims; it is reasonable to assume unstated aims.