.220 Swift

elius

Hi lads,
Im just wondering can anyone give me there thoughts and opinions on a .220 swift. Im looking to change up as i feel the .22wmr im using at presant just isnt good enough for foxes. . I dont do that much taget shooting so im thinking the swift would be a good choice. Im not worried about the price of rounds. Just people's general veiws etc

So my thinking is going to a swift it is a more suitable round for the quarry im after and secondly my liecence isnt due for renewal till may next year and im wondering would it be a straight swop with regards to lisencing? And will they do this on my presant extention?
Many thanks

greenpeter

elius wrote: »

Hi lads,
Im just wondering can anyone give me there thoughts and opinions on a .220 swift. Im looking to change up as i feel the .22wmr im using at presant just isnt good enough for foxes. . I dont do that much taget shooting so im thinking the swift would be a good choice. Im not worried about the price of rounds. Just people's general veiws etc

So my thinking is going to a swift it is a more suitable round for the quarry im after and secondly my liecence isnt due for renewal till may next year and im wondering would it be a straight swop with regards to lisencing? And will they do this on my presant extention?
Many thanks
Regarding the license it should be a straight swap as i changed from a .17 to .223 last week

berettadt10

Its a great round allright. You say your not worried about the price, but believe me when you are paying €42 to €46 a box, you wont be long getting fed up. I have a .223, its a class round and you will get better choice, in rifles, bullets etc. Also if you go to trade it will sell quicker that a .220 swift. Just my thoughts
Best of luck.

elius

berettadt10 wrote: »

Its a great round allright. You say your not worried about the price, but believe me when you are paying €42 to €46 a box, you wont be long getting fed up. I have a .223, its a class round and you will get better choice, in rifles, bullets etc. Also if you go to trade it will sell quicker that a .220 swift. Just my thoughts
Best of luck.

Hi beretta,
To be honest im not worried about the price because i dont really do enough shooting that im going to be really concerned about about price...

doyle61

swift is a class round alright, nice and powerful!!! price would be a put off for me though. i think the .223 is a better choice though. hoping to get one myself in the future but as ive just got .308 it'll be a while.

elius

Just like to add the Rifle im looking at is a Ruger M77 MKII .220 Swift Cheers

tomcat220t

I was thinking of getting a swift a while back but opted for a .204 ruger instead .A good mate of mine has a swift and likes it but the rounds are near 50 euro a box.He went to trade it in a few weeks ago and the dealer sadly had no value on the rifle.It wasnt the rifle, but the fact that most people seen to favour the .223 .The .204 ruger, IMO does everythink the swift can do and most things better . Also the ammo is half the price .

ianoo

elius wrote: »

Just like to add the Rifle im looking at is a Ruger M77 MKII .220 Swift Cheers

i actually had that very rifle in 220 swift and couldnt get any good out of it at all ,accuracy was very poor so i changed it to a remington 700 heavy barrel in .220 swift and found it to be a world of a difference ,i kept that for about 6 years and it was a perfect rifle and round for fox's BUT:( the cost of the rounds forced me to change to a .223 which does as good a job for a lot less money ,and dont forget the more you practice with your rifle the better you will be with it ,so you will use a lot of rounds
also it was hard to shift on the 220 swift as everyone wanted 223's

hope this helps

ian

elius

To be honest lads i would like to go for a .223 but i dont have the 3-400 to go with my rifle at this presant moment. Where as with the swift id get near enough a straight swap though im sure ill have to put a few pound with it. Ive had the .22wmr since april and have put about 120 rounds through it. I use the shotgun more though like a lamp 1-2 times a week... Thats why the price of the rounds isnt that much of an issue.. I Think the top rounds for a 223 range between €20-35 though correct me if im wrong? Cheers Again

elius

ianoo wrote: »

i actually had that very rifle in 220 swift and couldnt get any good out of it at all ,accuracy was very poor so i changed it to a remington 700 heavy barrel in .220 swift and found it to be a world of a difference ,i kept that for about 6 years and it was a perfect rifle and round for fox's BUT:( the cost of the rounds forced me to change to a .223 which does as good a job for a lot less money ,and dont forget the more you practice with your rifle the better you will be with it ,so you will use a lot of rounds
also it was hard to shift on the 220 swift as everyone wanted 223's

hope this helps

ian

Ive had a search on the rugger and as above its on mixed veiw's.. Im at a logger head now i want to change my rifle for a high caliber though im just not in a position to pump loads of money into one. Thats why i was thinking the swift..

berettadt10

Hi Elius
I bought rounds this year in the Hornady 55g vmax and they worked out at €24 a box. i bought 200 to keep the price down. I know you said its not about price, but think of this, to zero the rifle will almost use a box, between sighting in and getting us to it, also if you drop it, change the scope you are looking at €50 a fix. Not trying to put you off the swift at all, but a mate of mine has one, he cant get rid, and he now says he is sorry he didnt go far a .223. Millard Brothers were doing a deal on Howa,s a while back, i think they worked out a €695, dont quote me on that but it was in or around.
Cheers

elius

After carefully reading back over posts and the link below more so, Ive decided to go for the Swift, I dont use enough ammo to think the price is going to be a concern but i dont have hundreds of € to be spending on upgrading to a 223. Ive also done abit of reading with regards to the rugger and to be honest its seem to be a love it hate it kinda rifle. Ill get a good deal on my own with a trade so going to go for it..
Cheers lads

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055246716&highlight=swift

bunny shooter

I've had 223, 204 ruger, 17 rem and 220 swift for foxing, currently have a Remmy VSSF in 220 swift

IMO 204 ruger is best option for foxing with 220 swift 2nd

Those Ruger rifles are good shooters my brother has one in 204 ruger and it's an excellent rifle

clivej

Did you try looking at secondhand 223? ANd phone around as many dealers as you can?

Liam_D

A lot of manufacturer's are no longer making guns in .220swift so for me that says a lot. A CZ in .204 would be a good choice. I recently got a kevlar varmint in .222 and it has been great so far.

Jonty

You probably take the odd rabbit with the wmr. Be sure to bring a bag with you to pick up the pieces if you shoot a few bunnies with the swift:D

foxshooter243

elius wrote: »

To be honest lads i would like to go for a .223 but i dont have the 3-400 to go with my rifle at this presant moment. Where as with the swift id get near enough a straight swap though im sure ill have to put a few pound with it. Ive had the .22wmr since april and have put about 120 rounds through it. I use the shotgun more though like a lamp 1-2 times a week... Thats why the price of the rounds isnt that much of an issue.. I Think the top rounds for a 223 range between €20-35 though correct me if im wrong? Cheers Again

Well then, it looks like your buying the swift, I used a ruger mk2 swift for ten years on foxes and sent a lot of foxes on their way to the happy hunting grounds with it. I used 50 grain v max ammo and found the ruger quite accurate, however they have a very thin barel so will start to walk around the target after three quick shots, then you have to let the barrel cool. That wont present a problem on foxes, but put on a good set of mounts, rugers own mounts are quite good and fit a decent reliable scope to cut down on rezeroing and you will have a good foxing rifle.
Every man should own a least one swift in their lifetime!:D

elius

Had a look at the rugger and the remington today. Quite like the look of the remington so going to keep an eye out for one! What should one expect to pay for a Remington Model 700 second hand? Thanks for the help,
Cheers
Tris

ivanthehunter

the prices are alway dropping in the shadow of the 223 i'd say 750 for a good'n!

paddy2008

Im the proud owner of a ruger .220 swift,cant fault the rifle when a fox runs on after the shot you have missed end of story.I use rem 50g hollow points they are €29 box of 20.I traded up from a rem .17 centrefire to the .220 swift one off one on at the time.Remington rifles has very heavy triggers (pulled a lot of shots with it) ,though the ruger is perfect!

bigted

i have a remmy 700 vssf in .220 swift
imo its the bees knees highly accurate
great on fox
.223 is good also, but its nice to have that little extra punch
great feeling dropping fox at 400 yards !!
with the remmy you can upgrade stocks ect if your mad like me !!
i put on aics stock, lightened the trigger, tactical bolt
its the dogs b----ox little heavy though
so from a swift fan go for it !!!!

happyjack

I had a Ruger VT swift for years as well, great gun, the chamber on the Ruger rifles are tighter than the Remingtons, I figure that Remington looks after the 22/250 better as they own the copyright on that calibre, where as they dont on the swift, the swift was the varmint king for years world wide, a few blokes down here in Kerry tried the new Ruger 20 cal and didnt find it as accurate as the swift. I used to use federal 52 grain hollow point boat tails, found them excedenily accurate, I killed stuff all the way to 55o yards with that gun, even before I got a range finder. The swift has about 4ft lb kick in the shoulder, which is very light recoil wise, about half the .243, and a quarter of the .270/ .308.

The Ruger rifle has a really clever side ways stock bolt which hugs the action in tighter, plus your getting a target adjustable trigger in the Varmint Target model straight out of the box and the mounts/ rings are free.

Noise wise it give a loud blast, hearing protection is very important i got hearing damage off that gun, should have worn ear defenders when lamping for folks using swifts.

Ammo isnt that expensive if you really enjoy lamping foxes.

Average zero is;-

50 yards first zero, straight on.

100 yards only one inch high, 10mph wind + 1" inch of windage, even the fast 4000fps swift gets effected by the wind, every rifle does, the swift has the same windage figures and drops as a .270 winchester or there about.

200 yards main zero 10mph wind 4" of wind drift

300 yards -6 inches, about 9 inches of wind drift in 10 mph 45 degree side wind.

400 yards -18 inches.

500 yards -36 inches.

Lock time is very fast, the bullet hits the fox before the poor bugger hears the bang, swift bullets are screamers velocity wise.

I've put swift bullets through half inch of steel plate at 50 yards, using "hollow points", can you imagine what a FMJ swift would penetrate?

It's a real gas shooting pigeons with a swift they explode, like a pillow being blown up, or so I'm told as it's illegal to shoot birds with any rifle any where.

It's worth getting a Harris bipod for a swift rifle to milk the long range accuracy.

When you hit a fox in the chest with a 220 swift or 22/250, a strange thing happens, you walk up and see no wound, then you pick them up and you notice their insides have been turned into jelly, all the bullets energy gets dumped in the vermin. I've seen swift shooters kill two rabbits with one shot from a swift, as the first one explodes, even at good distance the bits of bone and etc impact and kill the second rabbit.

It's a lovely rifle, that said in my opinion it takes very little skill to kill at long range with a swift cause its a death ray flat shooting gun and their heavy guns with almost instant lock time.

In the last year of owning that rifle I used to nick the the jackets two mm
down with a file, not enough to make them seperate or rip in the barrel, just enought to assist expansion, it used to make hit foxes jump twice as high, making it easier to follow through on hits.

One thing about the swift and lamping, its important to to keep the lamp a bit away from the barrel as if the lamps too close on firing you get white out from the extra smoke, swifts pack about 50% more powder than 223/ 5.56nato, the white smoke effect blocks follow through on the shot in the scope, and also messes up follow up shots if needed on a second fox.

It's about as bad as the
lamper standing behind the scope.

Good foxing,

HJ

meathstevie

Exploding pigeons, vaporized rabbits, bullets through 1/2 inch steel,.... are you sure it's not some sort of a .50 anti-tank rifle with tungsten alloy ammo you're firing ?

And there's the likes of me kicking myself when I don't get a clean headshot on a bunny with the humble hornet. Any further into the body causes too much damage and that's a rabbit wasted for the pot in my books.

tomcat220t

happyjack wrote: »

I had a Ruger VT swift for years as well, great gun, the chamber on the Ruger rifles are tighter than the Remingtons, I figure that Remington looks after the 22/250 better as they own the copyright on that calibre, where as they dont on the swift, the swift was the varmint king for years world wide, a few blokes down here in Kerry tried the new Ruger 20 cal and didnt find it as accurate as the swift. I used to use federal 52 grain hollow point boat tails, found them excedenily accurate, I killed stuff all the way to 55o yards with that gun, even before I got a range finder. The swift has about 4ft lb kick in the shoulder, which is very light recoil wise, about half the .243, and a quarter of the .270/ .308.

The Ruger rifle has a really clever side ways stock bolt which hugs the action in tighter, plus your getting a target adjustable trigger in the Varmint Target model straight out of the box and the mounts/ rings are free.

Noise wise it give a loud blast, hearing protection is very important i got hearing damage off that gun, should have worn ear defenders when lamping for folks using swifts.

Ammo isnt that expensive if you really enjoy lamping foxes.

Average zero is;-

50 yards first zero, straight on.

100 yards only one inch high, 10mph wind + 1" inch of windage, even the fast 4000fps swift gets effected by the wind, every rifle does, the swift has the same windage figures and drops as a .270 winchester or there about.

200 yards main zero 10mph wind 4" of wind drift

300 yards -6 inches, about 9 inches of wind drift in 10 mph 45 degree side wind.

400 yards -18 inches.

500 yards -36 inches.

Lock time is very fast, the bullet hits the fox before the poor bugger hears the bang, swift bullets are screamers velocity wise.

I've put swift bullets through half inch of steel plate at 50 yards, using "hollow points", can you imagine what a FMJ swift would penetrate?

It's a real gas shooting pigeons with a swift they explode, like a pillow being blown up, or so I'm told as it's illegal to shoot birds with any rifle any where.

It's worth getting a Harris bipod for a swift rifle to milk the long range accuracy.

When you hit a fox in the chest with a 220 swift or 22/250, a strange thing happens, you walk up and see no wound, then you pick them up and you notice their insides have been turned into jelly, all the bullets energy gets dumped in the vermin. I've seen swift shooters kill two rabbits with one shot from a swift, as the first one explodes, even at good distance the bits of bone and etc impact and kill the second rabbit.

It's a lovely rifle, that said in my opinion it takes very little skill to kill at long range with a swift cause its a death ray flat shooting gun and their heavy guns with almost instant lock time.

In the last year of owning that rifle I used to nick the the jackets two mm
down with a file, not enough to make them seperate or rip in the barrel, just enought to assist expansion, it used to make hit foxes jump twice as high, making it easier to follow through on hits.

One thing about the swift and lamping, its important to to keep the lamp a bit away from the barrel as if the lamps too close on firing you get white out from the extra smoke, swifts pack about 50% more powder than 223/ 5.56nato, the white smoke effect blocks follow through on the shot in the scope, and also messes up follow up shots if needed on a second fox.

It's about as bad as the
lamper standing behind the scope.

Good foxing,

HJ

Hi happyjack,i dont owned a swift but have uesd a friend one lots of time !His is a ruger with a light barrel .We were out last week and for the mess we put her on paper at 200 and 300 yards .There was about a 5-8mph cross wind .First i found the recoil on the light rifle ,nasty.Even though it shot ok at 200 ,by 300 the wind had her all over the spot ,sorry !To me its a hard hitting level round but over priced and if i dare say ,somewhat out dated .

happyjack

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi happyjack,i dont owned a swift but have uesd a friend one lots of time !His is a ruger with a light barrel .We were out last week and for the mess we put her on paper at 200 and 300 yards .There was about a 5-8mph cross wind .First i found the recoil on the light rifle ,nasty.Even though it shot ok at 200 ,by 300 the wind had her all over the spot ,sorry !To me its a hard hitting level round but over priced and if i dare say ,somewhat out dated .

It's been outdated since the 1930's and is around twice as long as the Rem 22/250, in fact goe's way back to the old US army 6mm Lee navy calibre being necked down. Swift ammo is expensive, but if you shoot say 30 / 50 foxes a year and thats what you use the rifle for, well then you might as well have the bazooka over a lesser calibre, also modern barrel steel bears up well to .220 swift fodder used in hunting style, the odd round here and there. The .220 swift as a calibre will be here for a long time yet, it's an amazing killer.
HJ

elius

Lads looked at the pro's and cons yes the 223 is a great round. But the hassle involved in changing over from a .22wmr to a 223 involves me having to re-apply. where a .220 to a .220 is a straight amendment. Yes the 223 rounds are cheaper but the cheap one's are only any use up to 150yrd (which i have seen) then they go speradick for the top end market your looking at mid twentys to 30's (euro's) ive seen the swift rounds around €30. Its each to there own at the end of the day. Your always going to have pro's and cons..

bunny shooter

You are right in all you said in your last post

You will not be disappointed

steyrman

i feel as i have had a swift for 7 years i can comment on it i had a rem 700 black barrel tim trigger i burnt out the first barrel after 3000 odd rounds got it rebarreled with norman clarke in uk with a olympic arms barrel shot a lot of rounds more than the rem barrel and love it to bits if you want a foxing round you have it in a nut shell it will not be beaten end of story if your worried about barrel life buy a 223 and you wont go wrong simple as that the rest is down to what you want to here :)

foxebabe

bought a ruger m77 swift this time last year with heavy duty barrel. fitted it with 6-24x50 30mm bushnell scope and burris mounts - great gun.
heard the same arguments about ammo price but worth every cent. bit loud though so hearing protection is a must

happyjack

foxebabe wrote: »

bought a ruger m77 swift this time last year with heavy duty barrel. fitted it with 6-24x50 30mm bushnell scope and burris mounts - great gun.
heard the same arguments about ammo price but worth every cent. bit loud though so hearing protection is a must

I used to have that model rifle, the Ruger Varmint Target 2, great gun, very tight chamber and lovely mauser 98 controled round feeding, about once a year you need to clean the twin bolt chamber area with an ear bud to clean out any brass shaving, a sharp extractor will shave bits of brass off the cases, a bloke I new that used to have that model, some bits of brass shavings went down the bolts fireing pin hole and blocked the firing pin from working, he did'nt know how to take the firing pin out, heres how-
At the rear of the bolt theirs a wee hole through the sear engagment bit shelf, put a nail through that and pull back, it will allow you to take the bolt apart for cleaning, which is very handy once a year.

Congrats on your new mauser, thats a great gun, the swift is about 50% more gun than the .223, and gives about 50% more range.

Good lamping

HJ

foxebabe

thanks for that hj - advice greatly appreciated

Hezz700

I have a......

Remmy 700 VS
Heavy Barrel (recently burnt out after 4000 rounds aprox)
H-S stock
Timney Trigger
Glass bed

Awsome Rifle, scarey accurate and hard hitting. I used to be able to print a 3/4 group at 300 meters with her under the calm conditions and when the gods allowed it.

People will always bitch about the cost of ammo but you just gotta ask youself how often you will actually squeeze the trigger annually.

TM RACING

I have a ruger m77 mk II with the laminated stock and stainless steel barrel. The guy who critisised the accuracy must be cross eyed because i get half inch groups at 100 yards. If you dont mind carrying arround a very heavy rifle i would go for it if i were you, as for the .223 i alsa had one of them. thers is not a great deal of diffrence in ballistics. ENERGY (ft/lbs)@ 300 Yards -.223=599
-.220=629 [ both with 50 gr ballistic tip bullets ]

DROP AT 300 YARDS WHEN ZEROED AT
.223=6.9
.220=5.1

BALLISTIC CO-EFFICENT OF BULLET
.223=0.267
.220=0.175.

.220 swift wins (oh, and i can get 20 federal psp's for €36)

elius

Well im not that trigger happy have the 22mag since april and have put 96 rounds through it.. .220 swift it is

TM RACING

Great choice, you will not regret it. What rifle are you getting.

elius

TM RACING wrote: »

Great choice, you will not regret it. What rifle are you getting.

Going to go with the remmy vssf i think. Though havent ruled out a rugger will see what way the funds can stretch!

Jonty

TM RACING wrote: »

I have a ruger m77 mk II with the laminated stock and stainless steel barrel. The guy who critisised the accuracy must be cross eyed because i get half inch groups at 100 yards. If you dont mind carrying arround a very heavy rifle i would go for it if i were you, as for the .223 i alsa had one of them. thers is not a great deal of diffrence in ballistics. ENERGY (ft/lbs)@ 300 Yards -.223=599
-.220=629 [ both with 50 gr ballistic tip bullets ]

DROP AT 300 YARDS WHEN ZEROED AT
.223=6.9
.220=5.1

BALLISTIC CO-EFFICENT OF BULLET
.223=0.267
.220=0.175.

.220 swift wins (oh, and i can get 20 federal psp's for €36)

If they are the same bullet, why are the ballistic coefficients different??

tomcat220t

TM RACING wrote: »

I have a ruger m77 mk II with the laminated stock and stainless steel barrel. The guy who critisised the accuracy must be cross eyed because i get half inch groups at 100 yards. If you dont mind carrying arround a very heavy rifle i would go for it if i were you, as for the .223 i alsa had one of them. thers is not a great deal of diffrence in ballistics. ENERGY (ft/lbs)@ 300 Yards -.223=599
-.220=629 [ both with 50 gr ballistic tip bullets ]

DROP AT 300 YARDS WHEN ZEROED AT
.223=6.9
.220=5.1

BALLISTIC CO-EFFICENT OF BULLET
.223=0.267
.220=0.175.

.220 swift wins (oh, and i can get 20 federal psp's for €36)

Hi TM RACING,your ballistic co-efficency comprasion on your post above seen a little confussing.Im sure you ment to put them the other way around ?Anyway ,while on the subjet of ballistics i taught id put some more info.up on other varmint ammo.Federal .204 39gr SBK has a B/C of .287.As above at 300 yards it has an energy of 623 ,drop of 4.7" and wind drift at 10mph of 7.8" .I can buy a box of 20 for 22 euros .Its just another varmint round to pounder over when choosing .

bunny shooter

Jonty wrote: »

If they are the same bullet, why are the ballistic coefficients different??

Swift uses more powder/charge ?

tomcat220t

Jonty wrote: »

If they are the same bullet, why are the ballistic coefficients different??

I think it has more to do with the bullets ability to over come wind resistace in flight reguardless of weight .Im sure theres more qualified persons to explain this in exact detail ,than me.

happyjack

elius wrote: »

Going to go with the remmy vssf i think. Though havent ruled out a rugger will see what way the funds can stretch!

I had a Ruger Varmint Target 77 mark two in .220 swift for years and its a real classic, I've seen the bull barrel modal Ruger out shoot the Remington brand a few time, one reason might be that empties from a Remmy wont fit in the Ruger, the ruger has a tighter chamber and also a better stock bolt design, plus it comes with a snazzy two stage target trigger straight out of the box, plus free scope mounts, I killed stuff at nearly 600 yards with mine, but thats really pushing the swift. Also the ruger has special rounded rifling which gives a higher velocity and deforms the bullets less.

The other vthing is that the Ruger barrel is tapered, so when you lift it up it's not like lifting up a shovel with concrete block in it, better balance,
The swift as a caliber really needs a super strong lamp for safety sake, and also the red filter must be dropped before the shot each every single time.

Also the Ruger is on a Mauser 98 designed action, which means the safety blocks the firing pin, infact it retracts it, much safer design than the Remmy, also the mauser claw extractor is more reliable, and safer, if you throw a round in the breach of a Remmy, and dont fully close the bolt, change your mind, open the bolt, the push feed design will leave the live round in the breach, and if you forget to take it out it will stay there, this can not happen with a mauser design.

Also push feed centerfire bolt actions jam if you get a tiny bit of unburnt poweder on the face of the bolt, this cant happen with mauser bolts, they clean themselves free of any dirt each and everytime, the mauser was designed to work safely and reliably in trench warfare.

Good lamping

HJ:)

Jonty

tomcat220t wrote: »

I think it has more to do with the bullets ability to over come wind resistace in flight reguardless of weight .Im sure theres more qualified persons to explain this in exact detail ,than me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_coefficient

It doesn't involve the speed of the bullet.

Jonty

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi TM RACING,your ballistic co-efficency comprasion on your post above seen a little confussing.Im sure you ment to put them the other way around ?Anyway ,while on the subjet of ballistics i taught id put some more info.up on other varmint ammo.Federal .204 39gr SBK has a B/C of .287.As above at 300 yards it has an energy of 623 ,drop of 4.7" and wind drift at 10mph of 7.8" .I can buy a box of 20 for 22 euros .Its just another varmint round to pounder over when choosing .

yeah isn't a higher BC better

tomcat220t

Jonty wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_coefficient

It doesn't involve the speed of the bullet.

Thats true !Notthing got to do with speed ,bud.Ive seen real world results between the two rounds without having to read wikipedia .

tomcat220t

Jonty wrote: »

yeah isn't a higher BC better

Thats what my reply says ,anyway !

Jonty

tomcat220t wrote: »

Thats true !Notthing got to do with speed ,bud.Ive seen real world results between the two rounds without having to read wikipedia .

Yeah I'm not doubting that the swift outperforms the .223.

Check the definition -


"In ballistics the ballistic coefficient (BC) of a body is a measure of its ability to overcome air resistance in flight"

Basically its a measure of how sleek the bullet is. Its got nothing to do with chambering.

assuming both the swift and .223 have the same bullet head,The swift will outperform the .223 due to the fact theres more powder behind her.

tomcat220t

Jonty wrote: »

Yeah I'm not doubting that the swift outperforms the .223.

Check the definition -


"In ballistics the ballistic coefficient (BC) of a body is a measure of its ability to overcome air resistance in flight"

Basically its a measure of how sleek the bullet is. Its got nothing to do with chambering.

assuming both the swift and .223 have the same bullet head,The swift will outperform the .223 due to the fact theres more powder behind her.

I also have a sako 75 varmint.223 with a 1/8 twist and i use hornady 75gr all the time for foxes and rabbits .That round has a much higher (bc) (about .390) than the 50gr swift and uses less power !It aslo hits much harder and bucks the wind much better than the 50gr swift !Only thing the swift does better is shoot flatter which i find can be over come easly with a range finder .

Jonty

tomcat220t wrote: »

I also have a sako 75 varmint.223 with a 1/8 twist and i use hornady 75gr all the time for foxes and rabbits .That round has a much higher (bc) (about .390) than the 50gr swift and uses less power !It aslo hits much harder and bucks the wind much better than the 50gr swift !Only thing the swift does better is shoot flatter which i find can be over come easly with a range finder .

I've a tactical in .223. I'd say there's a fair drop with the 75gr stuff. I mostly use 40gr v shok myself

foxshooter243

Lads, a bullets BC figure is just a numerical expression of a bullets ballistic efficiency expressed relative to a standard theoretical bullet.Higher numbers mean greater efficiency or greater retained velocity and resistance to wind deflection, given equal muzzle velocities.However BCs arent cast in stone,all sorts of factors can and do affect measurements of BCs, including individual differences in rifles, aptmospheric conditions ,altitude and even the powder charge used in the cartridge.
Also the BC changes with the velocity of the bullet as it flies....

Hornady lists the 50 grain v max bullet as having the same BC in both the 223 and 220 swift, however the greater muzzle velocity of the swift will change the BC figure slightly , giving it an edge over the 223.
The difference in the two is so slight that its not worth considering because the 50 grain v max has a relativley poor BC anyway..as Tomcat says, if you have a fast twist in the 223 and use a 75 0r 80 grain v max or a sierra 69 grain matchking, you will wipe the floor with any swift:eek:
Unless you can change the barrel on your swift for one with a faster twist:D then you can up your bullet weight to compete-so its all swings and roundabouts:)

tomcat220t

Jonty wrote: »

I've a tactical in .223. I'd say there's a fair drop with the 75gr stuff. I mostly use 40gr v shok myself

Yea the drop is about 3" more at 300 yards than the 50gr swift but i have shot rabbits at 400+ yards in wind with them .All i need to know is me range and click the scope accordlly and BINGO ,the 75gr does its stuff.Well ,only when i get it right aswell .Ive seen the swift in wind and wasent impressed to be honest .Thats why i baught a .204 ruger instead .Its just as flat and as hard hitting on foxes .Its bucks the wind a lot better ,too.

bunny shooter

tomcat220t wrote: »

...........Thats why i baught a .204 ruger instead .Its just as flat and as hard hitting on foxes .Its bucks the wind a lot better ,too.

+1 ................. from personal experience, wtf did I sell 'em ?