A possible way for the Irish government to make €16 billion

Fcukface

Im sure this idea needs to be ironed out a bit but here it goes.

The US government spends $25 billion every year on private security firms to tour Iraq since the "invasion".

Ireland has a army that would be well able to do this job for the Americans. Couldnt we contract out the Irish army to do this job and make a hell of allot of money that could help us out of this ressesion?

I have heard that the US government is having alot of trouble with its current private contractors. There has been reports of drunken shootings and beatings by these contractors.

Besides our nutrality couldnt we do this job and make enough money to get us out of this ressesion?

mahamageehad

Have the public sector strike for a month. All the money we need and more

Yakult

Who cares, lets watch this country just crumble

Should be fun.

bad2dabone

could you imagine the reaction of the public if the irish army became the new blackwater worldwide? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide

Boom Boom

That's a novel idea......

even just a couple of regiments to get a portion of that $25 bn.


But I imagine the backlash politically, moral and ethically would be immense could probably make us worse off in the long run.

But sure who is to say it is not done already half our politicians are that devious I wouldn't be surprised

Fcukface

bad2dabone wrote: »

could you imagine the reaction of the public if the irish army became the new blackwater worldwide? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide

Yea, but if it brought money into the country and helped us, would people really get the nickers in a twist about it. The army wouldnt be killing anyone, just keeping the pease, dont we do that in Chad at the moment?

ejmaztec

While they're all driving round in black, armour-plated, tinted glass SUVs, in far-flung places across the globe, crooks here will be robbing money-vans left, right and centre.

Result=€Net Loss.:(

staker

Good idea OP.

We could conscript a whole new "army", a few long-term state artists would make prime fodder candidates.

It'a win/win....

IvySlayer

ejmaztec wrote: »

While they're all driving round in black, armour-plated, tinted glass SUVs, in far-flung places across the globe, crooks here will be robbing money-vans left, right and centre.

Result=€Net Loss.:(

Why don't we let private companies hire the army to protect the money vans? Who would **** with them?

Gyalist

The Constitution will have to be amended first.

Boom Boom

ejmaztec wrote: »

While they're all driving round in black, armour-plated, tinted glass SUVs, in far-flung places across the globe, crooks here will be robbing money-vans left, right and centre.

Result=€Net Loss.:(

I think that is why you would only send a few regiments the equivalent to the irish navy seal team whatever they are called

Gyalist wrote: »

The Constitution will have to be amended first.

They can do that in a heartbeat when the mood er i mean the money suits them

cmpunk

sex drugs and rock n roll baby

Fcukface

Boom Boom wrote: »

I think that is why you would only send a few regiments the equivalent to the irish navy seal team whatever they are called

The Irish Rangers, Have a friend who was in the army and and he has a few friends in the Rangers. He said they are always been sent off to help sort out with secret wars in Africa, stuff the Irish public never hear about.

Fighting Irish

How much of that $25b would go to the army and how much to the gov?

Fcukface wrote: »

Im sure this idea needs to be ironed out a bit but here it goes.

The US government spends $25 billion every year on private security firms to tour Iraq since the "invasion".

Ireland has a army that would be well able to do this job for the Americans. Couldnt we contract out the Irish army to do this job and make a hell of allot of money that could help us out of this ressesion?

I have heard that the US government is having alot of trouble with its current private contractors. There has been reports of drunken shootings and beatings by these contractors.

Besides our nutrality couldnt we do this job and make enough money to get us out of this ressesion?

piby

Boom Boom wrote: »

I think that is why you would only send a few regiments the equivalent to the irish navy seal team whatever they are called

The ARW (Army Ranger Wing)

While I think our army would be well capable and willing to do this the problem with sending Irish troops is that the public would just NEVER accept it, especially when the first casualities occured. At the end of the day it's dangerous work that's why the private security firms get paid so much to do it.

On a completely seperate note, legalise marijuana! I don't do the stuff personally but you'd at least be able to control and taX it it! Gotta be worth a few billion

Boom Boom

Fcukface wrote: »

The Irish Rangers, Have a friend who was in the army and and he has a few friends in the Rangers. He said they are always been sent off to help sort out with secret wars in Africa, stuff the Irish public never hear about.

Well there you go then, sent the rangers in and sit back for payday, although them dodgy americans maybe get a little bung up front and maybe a bit of equipment for the rangers because the US military are better kitted out then our boys i imagine

Fcukface you are not Willie O'Dea by any chance and you are floating this idea to see if there is a reaction

Fuhrer

Fcukface wrote: »

Im sure this idea needs to be ironed out a bit but here it goes.

The US government spends $25 billion every year on private security firms to tour Iraq since the "invasion".

Ireland has a army that would be well able to do this job for the Americans. Couldnt we contract out the Irish army to do this job and make a hell of allot of money that could help us out of this ressesion?

I have heard that the US government is having alot of trouble with its current private contractors. There has been reports of drunken shootings and beatings by these contractors.

Besides our nutrality couldnt we do this job and make enough money to get us out of this ressesion?

We dont have nearly enough troops let alone troops with the experience.

Lux23

They would still have to pay the Irish soldiers to go out there. At the moment a Private gets an extra 25k for going to Kosovo/Chad (according to a couple of friends who have been to both places) but I would imagine they would have to get 4 times that for going to Iraq. On the other hand Iraq is alot quiter these days so it wouldn't be the risk it was in 2005/2006, in a couples years time anyone who wants to make a quick buck with IT/banking qualifications will be flocking to it, the place will be rolling in money.

hooradiation

Triple Lock, anyone?

Fcukface

Fuhrer wrote: »

We dont have nearly enough troops let alone troops with the experience.

There are currently approx 8,500 serving in the Irish army, Iraq curently has approx 20,000 personel employed by private security companies, so yes we dnt have the troops but we could send over what ever is available. We could charge the going rate of $600 - $1000 per soldier per day. There is still allot of money to be made.

ejmaztec

Lux23 wrote: »

They would still have to pay the Irish soldiers to go out there. At the moment a Private gets an extra 25k for going to Kosovo/Chad (according to a couple of friends who have been to both places) but I would imagine they would have to get 4 times that for going to Iraq. On the other hand Iraq is alot quiter these days so it wouldn't be the risk it was in 2005/2006, in a couples years time anyone who wants to make a quick buck with IT/banking qualifications will be flocking to it, the place will be rolling in money.

Only heads will be rolling for a few years yet.:(

nice1franko

Gun: $1000
Bullets: $1
Selling your soul and your country's neutrality by renting yourself as a mercenary to do the dirty work in an illegal occupation/war: priceless.

tony 2 tone

How about sending scumbags over there, a battlion of tracksuit and white runner wearing ****ers. Lets see how hard they are. Cha-ching! Sort out a lot of the "problem" areas in Ireland. And send some junkies over to Afghanistan, tell them there is plenty of gear there!

minidazzler

nice1franko wrote: »

Gun: $100
Bullets: $100
Selling your soul and your country's neutrality by renting yourself as a mercenary to do the dirty work in an illegal invasion/war: priceless.

We aren't technically neutral.

Our Rifle cost's like €600 per unit IIRC. Ammo is cheap enough.

There is no more invasion, they are in there already.

I don't agree with doing it anyway, no matter how hypothetical.

Boom Boom

take a few thousand people of the dole lines intergrate them with the existing personnel and train them up, sign them up for a two year contract submit them to rigourous training for 3 - 6 months then start deploying after 2 years see if there is still a need and roll there contracts over for whetever period.

As soon as it is all sorted out over there disband them under contract and sign them up as bankers/IT in a new company train them again and send them back over as lux23 reckons they will be paying out for those services then.


I reckon its a ten year plan and the key to it's success Dont let FAS train them.

ejmaztec

Don't the UN contingents wait a long time to get paid, on the grounds that the Americans have got short arms and deep pockets?

Dyr

Most of the various contractors have skills that the irish army would not have resources in, and not just armed forces type skills.

Also and Irish soldier would be pretty pi$$ed off if he was hired out and risking his neck doing jobs that other contractors are being paid very handsomely for

Lux23

ejmaztec wrote: »

Only heads will be rolling for a few years yet.:(

Yea but its mostly Iraqi heads and they are expendable. They had a €80 bn surplus last year but that's because they have no public services to spend it on. But there is more money to be made why do you think they started the war in the first place?

ejmaztec

Boom Boom wrote: »

take a few thousand people of the dole lines intergrate them with the existing personnel and train them up, sign them up for a two year contract submit them to rigourous training for 3 - 6 months then start deploying after 2 years see if there is still a need and roll there contracts over for whetever period.

As soon as it is all sorted out over there disband them under contract and sign them up as bankers/IT in a new company train them again and send them back over as lux23 reckons they will be paying out for those services then.


I reckon its a ten year plan and the key to it's success Dont let FAS train them.

We'll have a gigantic army of nerds!:eek:

Fcukface

Bambi wrote: »

Most of the various contractors have skills that the irish army would not have resources in, and not just armed forces type skills.

Also and Irish soldier would be pretty pi$$ed off if he was hired out and risking his neck doing jobs that other contractors are being paid very handsomely for

there is nothing to say the Irish soldiers wouldnt get paid the same as other contractors, if they feel they could do better with these private firms then they can leave the Irish army and get a job with the private firms. The maney would have to be competative.

ScumLord

Fcukface wrote: »

I have heard that the US government is having alot of trouble with its current private contractors. There has been reports of drunken shootings and beatings by these contractors.

And what, do you think our guys could do better drunken shootings?

Fcukface

ScumLord wrote: »

And what, do you think our guys could do better drunken shootings?

Not at all, once on tour all the Irish army do is drink and use up all the prostitutes, then they have organised fist fights and become best friends with the locals

ejmaztec

Lux23 wrote: »

Yea but its mostly Iraqi heads and they are expendable. They had a €80 bn surplus last year but that's because they have no public services to spend it on. But there is more money to be made why do you think they started the war in the first place?

They'll get more money for foreign heads, particularly those temporarily attached to greedy feckers wandering in to make a big fast buck.

I think that everybody knows there's been big money involved since day 1, especially for a lot of American corporations getting their hands on lucrative contracts in the early days.

Lux23

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think that everybody knows there's been big money involved since day 1, especially for a lot of American corporations getting their hands on lucrative contracts in the early days.

In the early days? They still are and don't think that's going to change for a while, the greedy feckers know there is a risk but they can make an awful lot of money out there and the risk is decreasing every day. Do you know the best way to deal with all those dissidents? Offer them jobs with the same pay as imported security guards, they would jump at the chance.

ejmaztec

Lux23 wrote: »

In the early days? They still are and don't think that's going to change for a while, the greedy feckers know there is a risk but they can make an awful lot of money out there and the risk is decreasing every day. Do you know the best way to deal with all those dissidents? Offer them jobs with the same pay as imported security guards, they would jump at the chance.

I think that you and I are talking about different corporations.

kowloon

If we had sent them over there before all the crap kicked off all of Iraq would be downing the devils brew and driving around with Padre Pio sticker emblazoned cars. Civilised without a shot fired.

Instant Karma

hmmm, this is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've ever heard.

Liam Byrne

Fcukface wrote: »

Ireland has a army that would be well able to do this job for the Americans. Couldnt we contract out the Irish army to do this job and make a hell of allot of money that could help us out of this ressesion?

It's bad enough that FF made us complicit in the illegal invasion through the American "see-no-evil (don't look)" abuse of Shannon.

I would protest to high heaven if this was ever proposed.

It's bad enough someone invading a country because of oil & money, let alone riding their coat-tails in order to make some for ourselves.

If you're only looking at it from a money angle, we may as well just go over there and murder the Iraqi people and rob their houses ourselves, cutting out the middle-man completely.

genericguy

that is actually an absolutely fcuking brilliant idea, fair play OP.
the problem is thought that our 'soldiers' chose that profession because they thought they'd never be sent to war, so they wouldn't go for it.

Poor Uncle Tom

Much better idea would be to sell every member of the government off for duirty, painful, chaffing, burning, rubbing raw, depraved, illegal sexual acts until every orafice was throbbing like a heaving, bleeding, gristley, throbbing thing, it would generate more money then we would ever need.
The only drawback is that they'd probably enjoy it.

Alessandra

Gyalist wrote: »

The Constitution will have to be amended first.

Exactly. OP we are constitutionally a neutral country.