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FX in or out of the box ?

  • 24-11-2009 12:09pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭


    http://prosoundnewseurope.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1430&Itemid=75

    There's an interesting article on the advance in computer power in relation to FX etc in PSNE.

    Any opinions on this subject ?

    I've been exploring plugins recently and the TC VSS3 Reverb was very impressive sonically, if a bit less so ergonomically.

    However the Bricasti is the be all and end all of 'electronic' reverbs to my ears .... it ain't over yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭trackmixstudio


    www.acousticas.net%2FWorld%2FIRs%2FAcousticasM7.zip

    I posted about acousticas before. They make amazing impulse responses.
    I bought the lexicon and EMT packs from them.
    They are giving away a free set of Briscati M7 impulses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭woodsdenis


    http://plugindiscounts.com/COMINGSOON.html

    probably vaporware.

    Will anything match a fully blown TC6000 ? or this http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizers/H8000FW.aspx in software yet Probably not. The acousticas stuff is brilliant though.

    With the impulse synthetic reverbs you don't have as much edit-ability and any modulation stuff doesn't really work, but the real impulses are top notch. I dont think there is a working EMT plate here anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    woodsdenis wrote: »
    http://plugindiscounts.com/COMINGSOON.html

    probably vaporware.

    Will anything match a fully blown TC6000 ? or this http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizers/H8000FW.aspx in software yet Probably not. The acousticas stuff is brilliant though.

    With the impulse synthetic reverbs you don't have as much edit-ability and any modulation stuff doesn't really work, but the real impulses are top notch. I dont think there is a working EMT plate here anymore.

    Denis - I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the VSS3 which, they say, is ported directly from the 6000.

    I guess the variable will be the sonics of the I/O ?

    I've not had the opportunity of A/Bing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭woodsdenis


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    Denis - I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the VSS3 which, they say, is ported directly from the 6000.

    I guess the variable will be the sonics of the I/O ?

    I've not had the opportunity of A/Bing

    I have not heard the plugin version, but by all accounts its virtually the same. The TC6000 when fully loaded gives you all the TC reverb/chorus/delay algos plus massenberg eqs , mastering and 5.1 stuff. However it costs €10k plus for this:eek:. Would I buy one if I had the money ? Probably. But I dont so dream on.

    I have never A/B the Eventide stuff either but I do have some of the
    TDM Harmonizer stuff though. It is great but I have a sense it isn't the same as the hardware, maybe its that I have used the hardware in an analogue world,hence more colouring on the way in and out anyway, so maybe thats it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭madtheory


    Just curious- aren't the Eventide plugins based on the older gear, the most recent being the H3000? There are no plugins of their newer hardware. The H3000 is a lovely sounding thing though.

    Years ago I was doing a mix in RTE, in a bit of a rush admittedly, and I much preferred the reverb presets on the H3000 to the Lexicon 480L.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭woodsdenis


    madtheory wrote: »
    Just curious- aren't the Eventide plugins based on the older gear, the most recent being the H3000? There are no plugins of their newer hardware. The H3000 is a lovely sounding thing though.

    Years ago I was doing a mix in RTE, in a bit of a rush admittedly, and I much preferred the reverb presets on the H3000 to the Lexicon 480L.
    The ones I have H3000 Factory/Quadravox etc are certainly based on the H3000. Thats what I was comparing them to. The new Reverbs/Omnipressor/Echannel I assume are based on the later versions. I could be wrong though. I think they have just expanded the processing/I/O/algos of the boxs as they have progressed up to the 8000. I assume the same presets from the 3000 are in the 8000. I have never seen/used and 8000, so if anyone has please chime in


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 Fstudios


    woodsdenis wrote: »
    The ones I have H3000 Factory/Quadravox etc are certainly based on the H3000. Thats what I was comparing them to. The new Reverbs/Omnipressor/Echannel I assume are based on the later versions. I could be wrong though. I think they have just expanded the processing/I/O/algos of the boxs as they have progressed up to the 8000. I assume the same presets from the 3000 are in the 8000. I have never seen/used and 8000, so if anyone has please chime in

    The 8000 does have a lot of the presets from the 3000. Both units are seriously versatile boxes with more I/O options than you could ever need! Well recommend them.

    People also seem to love the blackhole preset a lot....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭splitrmx


    Technically any digital effect unit (Bricasti, Eventide H8000, TC6000 etc) is just software running on a stand alone computer, albeit with amazing AD/DA converters. Computers are probably powerful enough these days to be able to run most of the above unit's algorithms (or if not they definitely will be in two years), so there's no reason why these high quality effects cannot be exactly re-created in the box.

    That said, your computer would still crash more often than an Eventide Harmonizer (more often than zero that is!), and it's nice to have all the extra analogue and digital input/output options, great converters, nice looking rack-able box etc. :) Also the amount of research going into writing amazing DSP algorithms in companies like TC Electronic and Eventide is probably a lot higher than a lot (but not all, UAD being one obvious exception) of third party plug-in creators.

    I think we'll always see dedicated effects units mostly because computers always try to do too many things at once and are inherently unstable because of this (a jack of all trades vs master of one thing maybe?). Of course this could all be proved wrong in the future. Sorry I went on a bit here, it's a subject I'm really interested in though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭madtheory


    splitrmx wrote: »
    Computers are probably powerful enough these days to be able to run most of the above unit's algorithms (or if not they definitely will be in two years)
    I've seen this point made a lot in the last seven years. Fact is, dedicated DSP is still better. As you say, it's certainly more reliable. I think it's a mistake to buy something based on the premise that it's "nearly there" or will be perfect at the next upgrade. That's something we've come to accept in the computing world, and IMO it's simply not good enough. It's much easier to pick the tool that gets the job done now, with 100% reliability. We want to produce music, not try to learn how to be computer technicians.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭woodsdenis


    splitrmx wrote: »
    Technically any digital effect unit (Bricasti, Eventide H8000, TC6000 etc) is just software running on a stand alone computer, albeit with amazing AD/DA converters. Computers are probably powerful enough these days to be able to run most of the above unit's algorithms (or if not they definitely will be in two years), so there's no reason why these high quality effects cannot be exactly re-created in the box.

    I suppose in theory this is correct. One example I can give however which goes against that theory is the TDM Masterx3 which should be a clone of the
    Finalizer. It certainly isn't. Really abysmal, and it was coded by TC themselves. Whatever the merits of the unit itself it was no way near the same beast.
    As I said in my previous post memories can be deceiving, and the last time I used any Outboard FX they had a Neve VR in the signal path so that would cloud any kind of subjective judgement about ITB FX clones.

    That being said I have a rack of TC gear that I look at every day and never switch on. Cant bear to get rid of it yet.


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