Appeal

dustyrip

Has anyone had any success in appealing to the social welfare. I was unemployed for a month then I went to London to look for work. I got a call off one of the degenerants that work in SW saying that my case would be closed if I couldn't make it into them that day, which is ridiculious.

I am heading down to the Head Office in the morning to see what the **** is going on... I have proof that I was seeking work before I qwent to London whilst in Ireland so I should be able to get that month backdated.

Pity I will be dealing with a stupid **** in the morning who knows less about his/her job than I do..

God I hate the social welfare offices, I always feel like such a looser in there. The sad thing is I am looking for work and I have to stand in a queue with filty scum in their tracksuit bottoms and celtic/fred perry tops..

Xiney

Did you inform them you were going abroad to look for work before you left? They let you do that, you just have to let them know beforehand.

As for the rest of your post, please tone down the vitriol towards the office and its clients... we don't allow that kind of attitude here.

dustyrip

Xiney wrote: »

Did you inform them you were going abroad to look for work before you left? They let you do that, you just have to let them know beforehand.

As for the rest of your post, please tone down the vitriol towards the office and its clients... we don't allow that kind of attitude here.

Fair enough, its just highly frustrating dealing with them. I tried to ring Local and Head Office all day today and can't get through to them. There seems to be a policy in place that they don't answer there phones.

No I didn't tell them I was going to London, partly because I couldn't get through to them as they don't answer their phones and the fact that the queues were two long in the local office.

The appeal is for a four month timeframe. The first month when I was seeking work in Ireland which I have evidence of and the three months I was in London. I don't expect anything from my time in London even though I am using habitual residency as my argument as well as Ignorance of the social welfare system on my part. I shouldn't be punished for leaving Ireland to try and find work in this three month period when I could have just sat at home and done nothing and my case would never have been closed. It kinda encourages you to do nothing when you are unemployed!!

danohea

Why should you be recieving jobseeker's benefit for being in london looking for a job? Theres no excuse for that even if it is backdated, when u were going to london u could have informed the social welfare and you would have still got your backdated month while you were searching for work while you were in ireland. Jobseekers benefit is for people seeking work in the republic of ireland. I hope you dont get your first month as penalty for not informing them you were going to london

dustyrip

danohea wrote: »

Why should you be recieving jobseeker's benefit for being in london looking for a job? Theres no excuse for that even if it is backdated, when u were going to london u could have informed the social welfare and you would have still got your backdated month while you were searching for work while you were in ireland. Jobseekers benefit is for people seeking work in the republic of ireland. I hope you dont get your first month as penalty for not informing them you were going to london

I don't expect to get the three months that I was in London, but I am still trying for it. I don't feel that I should be punished for going to London when I could of stayed here and done nothing, which more than likely will happen. My case was closed as I could not meet the social welfare people on the day they actually called me, which is ridiculious as I was in London.

I am entitled for the month that I was looking for work in Ireland, maybe not so for my time in London, but again its worth a go. The social welfare people never informed me that if I went to look for work in London that I would not be able to claim Jobseekers Allowance in Ireland. This is their fault as they should make all sort of information easily accessabile to the public. My argument for the London time is that I shouln't be punished for seeking work outside of Ireland as I was unaware that this could lead to my case being closed.

If there is an issue with the first month then I am going to my local td about it then Mary Hanafan if necessary.

tommy21

dustyrip wrote: »

I don't expect to get the three months that I was in London, but I am still trying for it. I don't feel that I should be punished for going to London when I could of stayed here and done nothing, which more than likely will happen. My case was closed as I could not meet the social welfare people on the day they actually called me, which is ridiculious as I was in London.

I am entitled for the month that I was looking for work in Ireland, maybe not so for my time in London, but again its worth a go. The social welfare people never informed me that if I went to look for work in London that I would not be able to claim Jobseekers Allowance in Ireland. This is their fault as they should make all sort of information easily accessabile to the public. My argument for the London time is that I shouln't be punished for seeking work outside of Ireland as I was unaware that this could lead to my case being closed.

If there is an issue with the first month then I am going to my local td about it then Mary Hanafan if necessary.

Dustyrip, did you expect the social welfare to somehow read your mind? All details and documents are accessible at the click of a button on both the social welfare's own website as well as citizens information website. I feel your pain and it would be great if the system worked in the manner you want, but unfortunately it doesn't. Your argument will not impress the social welfare and rightly so. You are expected to remain here and look for work, that is not "doing nothing". If you are seeking work outside of Ireland while outside of Ireland, then you do not qualify. Also in my experience while the knowledge of the SW workers can be a bit off the odd time, particularly if they are new enough to the job, they are generally always decent and do not deserve to be all run-down collectively. Anyhow you were probably just blowing off some steam. I wish you luck in your job hunt.

danohea

dustyrip wrote: »

I don't expect to get the three months that I was in London, but I am still trying for it. I don't feel that I should be punished for going to London when I could of stayed here and done nothing, which more than likely will happen. My case was closed as I could not meet the social welfare people on the day they actually called me, which is ridiculious as I was in London.

I am entitled for the month that I was looking for work in Ireland, maybe not so for my time in London, but again its worth a go. The social welfare people never informed me that if I went to look for work in London that I would not be able to claim Jobseekers Allowance in Ireland. This is their fault as they should make all sort of information easily accessabile to the public. My argument for the London time is that I shouln't be punished for seeking work outside of Ireland as I was unaware that this could lead to my case being closed.

If there is an issue with the first month then I am going to my local td about it then Mary Hanafan if necessary.

Why should they have to tell you? Information is easily accessible on the citizens information website and social welfare website, also available in any citizen's information office or if you ask them about it in the social welare office, you could have also easily called a social welfare office. Why should you be spoonfed information that is to mind basic commen sense anyway, you should have thought to yourself - "hmm i dont think i will be given jobseeker's benefit from the government of the republic of ireland when i'm searching for work in another country".

dustyrip

So yee don't think I am entitled to the month that I was seeking work in Ireland before I left?

I know that the information is available, but I am hardely in my claim going to say all this. I am saying that I was unaware of all this. I am not sure that even on their site they say you can't claim JSA's even if you are not in the country. Residency etc. must come into play.

Its not as easy as you think to get through to social welfare, well not in my local and head office anyway. I find them highly incompetent also.

I know I am generalising about the staff of social welfare, but people also generalise about people who are unemployed. I never even thought about them when I was working. I feel sorry for people like myself looking for work. I know there is people who are happy on the dole. This is a good example of how the system is run...

A woman said that her child was being bullied on the school bus due to his race. As such, him and his mother get a taxi now for him provided by the state which his mother also uses to go shopping etc... Its another 'scam'.


I also think €204.30 is two much if you are single and living at home or claiming rent allowance. If you have a family etc.. thats a different situation, but €204.30 compared to £65 in England is a joke!! This is wherre the government could save money in the next budget, by targeting singles at home with their parents or singles claiming rent relief.

Balagan

There is an assumption that you would know that you have to conduct the job search here in Ireland while on JSB/JSA. Before this present recession, the processing time would have been much quicker and you would have been signing on every month. Of course when the claim is processed successfully, you have to collect payment at the post office every week, again ruling out being away. One thing which might help you in your appeal is if you could somehow prove that during your time in UK you did not start a claim for any social welfare payments there.

bog master

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of your case but......... if you do appeal, get ready for a long wait my friend.

Friday coming 28/11/09 is the date my claim was received and stamped by SW. Decision came in mid March, appealed the decision, and appeal decision unsuccessful was notified to me end of Sept. Further appeal to Chief Appeals Officer due to circumstances changing ie financial, and to the worse and......................... still waiting!

dustyrip

bog master wrote: »

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of your case but......... if you do appeal, get ready for a long wait my friend.

Friday coming 28/11/09 is the date my claim was received and stamped by SW. Decision came in mid March, appealed the decision, and appeal decision unsuccessful was notified to me end of Sept. Further appeal to Chief Appeals Officer due to circumstances changing ie financial, and to the worse and......................... still waiting!

Its already a long wait. This appeal period is Nov 08' - Mar 09'. Sent the appeal to D'Olier Street, they then sent it back to the local office and then they forwarded it onto the Head Office. I got a letter two months ago from D'Olier Street saying that they had referred the matter to the local office. I went to the local office and they said they sent the letter that they recdeived to the head office. I was like what was the point of me sending the appeal to D'Olier street(Where appeal's are meant to go).

Don't get me started on the social welfare systemm here...!!

john_d_baptist

I not being a smart a$$ when I say this Dusty, but double check your cv for typos, there are a couple in your original post... I know it was probably typed in angst, so you werent being too particular, but double check the cv just incase... I feel your pain by the way, I cant even get the dole

dustyrip

john_d_baptist wrote: »

I not being a smart a$$ when I say this Dusty, but double check your cv for typos, there are a couple in your original post... I know it was probably typed in angst, so you werent being too particular, but double check the cv just incase... I feel your pain by the way, I cant even get the dole

Yeah you are being a ****. I don't worry two much about my typing on boards.ie, its hardly of that much importance to me this site hence not bothering to review my posts.

tommy21

You basically just want a quick answer, an even quicker social welfare payment, for the bare minimum of effort, even if its at the expense of the rest of the population, don't you Dusty? I believe you were aware of the stipulation and now realising you will be caught out, you want someone here to spoon-feed you the answers to get a few extra months.

The reason most offices don't answer phones is because they're too busy dealing with physically present people. We all have days we can't get in there, but for 95% of time you should be able to. You are after all unemployed and looking for work right? Plenty of time to call in.

"A woman said that her child was being bullied on the school bus due to his race. As such, him and his mother get a taxi now for him provided by the state which his mother also uses to go shopping etc... Its another 'scam'." - How do you know this is not legit? Do you follow the mother around checking up on her?

"I also think €204.30 is two much if you are single and living at home or claiming rent allowance. If you have a family etc.. thats a different situation, but €204.30 compared to £65 in England is a joke!! This is wherre the government could save money in the next budget, by targeting singles at home with their parents or singles claiming rent relief." Yeah just apply another generalisation which you seem to do across the board, be it social welfare workers or non-nationals.

I started out wanting to help you but now I am just sick of your selfishness, demonstrated further by your responses in this thread: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055747834 Go down to your social welfare office in person and sort it out yourself (not that you deserve a penny in my opinion), if you can hold yourself back from assaulting your slave behind the counter.

dustyrip

tommy21 wrote: »

You basically just want a quick answer, an even quicker social welfare payment, for the bare minimum of effort, even if its at the expense of the rest of the population, don't you Dusty? I believe you were aware of the stipulation and now realising you will be caught out, you want someone here to spoon-feed you the answers to get a few extra months.

Be 'caught out'? What are you talking about? I know I probably won't get anything for my time in London, but I am entitled to the month that I was looking in Ireland. The fact that a lot of people in the social welfare don't know what they are doing is one of the reasons I am appealing the London time.

The reason most offices don't answer phones is because they're too busy dealing with physically present people. We all have days we can't get in there, but for 95% of time you should be able to. You are after all unemployed and looking for work right? Plenty of time to call in.

Don't agree with that. The social welfare offices I have been trying to get through to don't answer the phones in the office. This is also a well noted FACT.

"A woman said that her child was being bullied on the school bus due to his race. As such, him and his mother get a taxi now for him provided by the state which his mother also uses to go shopping etc... Its another 'scam'." - How do you know this is not legit? Do you follow the mother around checking up on her?

This is a more common problem than you might imagine.

"I also think €204.30 is two much if you are single and living at home or claiming rent allowance. If you have a family etc.. thats a different situation, but €204.30 compared to £65 in England is a joke!! This is wherre the government could save money in the next budget, by targeting singles at home with their parents or singles claiming rent relief." Yeah just apply another generalisation which you seem to do across the board, be it social welfare workers or non-nationals.

It is two much. A few of my friends are out playing golf and not looking for work and they fall into this category because it is two high and they are not motivated to look for work, as they can spend the 200 a week on playing golf, drinking etc..Its very easy to say "oh, its a recession there is no work", which a lot of people are doing.

I started out wanting to help you but now I am just sick of your selfishness, demonstrated further by your responses in this thread: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055747834 Go down to your social welfare office in person and sort it out yourself (not that you deserve a penny in my opinion), if you can hold yourself back from assaulting your slave behind the counter.

No point linking what I have said on other threads, that is completly off this topic you simpleton. She should mind her own Business anyway as the matter isn't in relation to her.

I am not sure I can "hold myself back", as I know the type of people I will be dealing with. Imagine trying to explain this appeal to a person in the Social Welfare Office who's first language is not English. I have a well prepared case anyway seeing as the three months in London comes to around €2,400+

cee_jay

I'm locking this thread.
Dustyrip you are well within your rights to appeal but to be honest you do not have a leg to stand on.
One of the conditions for receipt of a Jobseeker's payment is you are resident and living in Ireland which you weren't.