Thinking of an Internet TV company.

FREEBBC

Well i have been thinking loads of times about having all the Irish TV channels broadcasting all the RTÉ's, TV3 and TG4 online.

But i only see RTÉ One broadcasting all the time and RTÉ Two broadcasting part time from their offical website. TV3 dosen't do any online streaming on their website and also TG4 broadcasts part time. (I can get them online channels because i know the URL's of the streams)

I will also add in BBC1 NI, BBC2 NI, UTV, Channel 4 and Five (if nesscary)

The streams will be in silverlight and possiably in high resolution.

well it will be geo blocked and only made avaliable for the residents of the island of Ireland. It will be like View TV and TV Catchup (for example, but there for British people only). also with their TV licenses from people who pays RTÉ in Eire and people in N'Ireland (as i would call Northern Ireland as) has to pay their TV License to the BBC.

Theres no copyright about anything to rebroadcast a channel to the people in island of Ireland.

but the problem is...

Im a student living in London. Thats my dream wish is to have my own internet TV company unlike. i still live with my parents as i do have a family over in Eire. I have to wait over another decade to broadcast them channels or win the lottery.

So how would you feel that i am broadcasting that type of site to island of Ireland with loads of terrestrial stations on?

Daniel99

I think this is a great idea.

bk

FREEBBC wrote: »

So how would you feel that i am broadcasting that type of site to island of Ireland with loads of terrestrial stations on?

It would be great, but it would be far more complicated and expensive then you think.

1) You need to license these channels, just because they are free, doesn't mean you can carry them for free. For instance in the UK, Sky pay the BBC millions to carry BBC channels.

2) Your bandwidth costs are going to be very high, ideally you would want to have your streaming boxes connected to INEX and peered with all the ISPs. Going to be very expensive.

So there is no way the service could be free, you would need to charge for it and then you would need to figure out how to compete with the free guys like BBC iPlayer and also Sky's new service over Xbox 360.

Now don't let me squash your entrepreneurial spirit, just a heads up on some of the difficulties involved.

BTW For god sake don't use Silverlight, why would you want to use such rubbish? Flash is far more ubiquitous.

afatbollix

Ehhh theres the RTE iplayer... its just the others havent got around to it yet... You would be talking with the top dogs for contracts like this.. Would it not be better to maybe talk to them about providing it for TG4 or TV3 before they get it set up.. say you will pay to build it and you put adds on the website as how you make your money.

Elmo

afatbollix wrote: »

Ehhh theres the RTE iplayer... its just the others havent got around to it yet... You would be talking with the top dogs for contracts like this.. Would it not be better to maybe talk to them about providing it for TG4 or TV3 before they get it set up.. say you will pay to build it and you put adds on the website as how you make your money.

TG4 provide live TV online via www.tg4.tv, pity they do it through windows media player, but they were the first Irish Broadcaster to provide such a service.

I have always siad that a service could be set up for a UK audience with the 3 Irish Broadcasters: -

7am Ireland AM
10am The Afternoon Show
11am The Morning Show
12pm Midday
1pm RTÉ News
1:30 Fair City /Ros Na Run
2pm Children's TV from Cula4 and The Den
4pm The Afternoon Show
5:30 Xpose
6pm RTÉ News
7pm Nationwide, Capital D, Ear to the Ground
7:30 Nuacht TG4 with Subs
8pm Fair City/Ros Na Run
8:30 Feature Programming
9pm RTÉ News and Current Affairs/Documentaries
11pm Vincent Browne
12 Play TV >>> no haha Mix of repeats from RTÉ Two, TG4 and TV3

afatbollix

itll never happen...

Very cheap to do.. In fact a few IT guys could have it running over a weekend.. But RTE TV3 TG4 would never to agree to it. Could even have setanta put GAA up too..

But in reality they would never talk to each other.. Cost millions to put together and after spending millions pull out because it wont work for one small reason...

Elmo

afatbollix wrote: »

But in reality they would never talk to each other.. Cost millions to put together and after spending millions pull out because it wont work for one small reason...

Greed. ???? Money????? lack of insight??? begrudgary???? all of these?????

I will leave it out! :mad:

afatbollix

Id say the main reason is that they are competition with each other..

Also too lazy would be a big factor... Not much that Irish broadcasters do is a 1st...

Elmo

afatbollix wrote: »

Id say the main reason is that they are competition with each other..

Also too lazy would be a big factor... Not much that Irish broadcasters is a 1st...

It was suggested in the UK before, they were calling it Kangaroo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_(video_on_demand)

SeeSaw http://www.seesaw.com/

Plenty of 1st for Irish Broadcasting you just have to look.

FREEBBC

Well its nothing to do with the millions of €uros. But i mean i would stream the following channels to the island of Ireland is...

BBC One N'Ireland
BBC One N'Ireland
UTV
Channel Four
Five
RTÉ One
RTÉ Two
TV3 Ireland
TG4

thats the channels i mean. so to stream them i needed to have like 9 computers to stream the channel. its ok to stream the channels because its Free-To-Air via an aerial. It will be only viewable to people in Island of Ireland. Someone from TV Catchup told me, "that any channel is Free To Air in the UK can be streamed online" many people in the UK use that service because they cant afford freesat or freeview.

So thats nothing to do with copyrighting, thats somthing to do by giving a viewers a chance to watch them channels if they dont have a TV. all TV licenses like the BBC in N'Ireland and RTÉ from Eire will have to be paid if you watch any programmes

As i do know there such things like TV3 catch up, RTÉ Player...etc, but i wished all the streams go onto one site.

It will never happen because of the lack of money i got.

If i win the lottery i will try it

Elmo

FREEBBC wrote: »

Well its nothing to do with the millions of €uros. But i mean i would stream the following channels to the island of Ireland is...

BBC One N'Ireland
BBC One N'Ireland
UTV
Channel Four
Five
RTÉ One
RTÉ Two
TV3 Ireland
TG4

thats the channels i mean. so to stream them i needed to have like 9 computers to stream the channel. its ok to stream the channels because its Free-To-Air via an aerial. It will be only viewable to people in Island of Ireland. Someone from TV Catchup told me, "that any channel is Free To Air in the UK can be streamed online" many people in the UK use that service because they cant afford freesat or freeview.

So thats nothing to do with copyrighting, thats somthing to do by giving a viewers a chance to watch them channels if they dont have a TV. all TV licenses like the BBC in N'Ireland and RTÉ from Eire will have to be paid if you watch any programmes

As i do know there such things like TV3 catch up, RTÉ Player...etc, but i wished all the streams go onto one site.

It will never happen because of the lack of money i got.

If i win the lottery i will try it

Five doesn't provide any Irish programming and C4 while a great PSB it to doesn't provide NI programming.

Five doesn't broadcast all that much into the Republic as it views itself as a UK channel and it has rights issues with some programming that is available on RTÉ.

I don't see how many people can't afford FreeSat or FreeView????? surely a Broadband connection is more expensive that FTA TV.

RTÉ, BBC, TV3, TG4, C4 and five all have brands that they want to protect, while it seems simple to have shows go online for free you will be surprised to find that the companies may not want to be attached to such a website so you would definitely be required to get their permission.

All cable companies in the republic pay to have BBC, C4 and UTV on their services, ITV isn't as readily available here.

We cannot get BBC Player in the Republic unless we do some messing about, the same goes for RTÉ Player in the UK.

All of the broadcasters pay rights to rights organisations in their countries for music and clips that they show.

It isn't just as simple as saying anything free to air can be transmitted over the web without contacting and paying for the right to have them as part of your website.

It isn't about just the companies suggested above its about other rights holders as well.

Read up on the trouble that ITV, BBC and C4 had with Kangaroo, and that was with their permission even seesaw isn't up and running yet.

bk

Elmo is correct, you can't just stream all these channels to Ireland.

First of all the Irish TV license only covers RTE and TG4, it doesn't cover the UK channels. Sky and UPC (Irish cable company like Virgin Media) pay BBC, C4, C5 big money to carry their channels in Ireland, they won't just give it away for free to you.

Also just because it is Free To Air in the UK, doesn't mean you have the right to take it down and stream it for free. You would be breaking numerous copy right and licensing laws.

Also from a technical perspective, LOL you think this can be done with just 9 computers. Trust me to do this you are going to need a vastly more robust infrastructure then this and an awful lot of bandwidth.

Realistically you would need to have a data centre in City West directly connected to INEX and peering with all the Irish ISP's like RTE if for it's iPlayer service.

BTW most Irish don't like people using the term Eire when not speaking in Irish. Many consider it an insult.

FREEBBC

Elmo wrote: »

Five doesn't provide any Irish programming and C4 while a great PSB it to doesn't provide NI programming.

well i know. it shows the whole of Ireland on their weather map

Five doesn't broadcast all that much into the Republic as it views itself as a UK channel and it has rights issues with some programming that is available on RTÉ.

well they just show the same stuff as i know many of the programmes that Irish Republic terrestrial TV shows that are from the United States. as i know

I don't see how many people can't afford FreeSat or FreeView????? surely a Broadband connection is more expensive that FTA TV.

well to get freeview for people in N'Ireland, it would be like a one off fee for like £20
But for the people living in the Republic they can get it from the border...etc

RTÉ, BBC, TV3, TG4, C4 and five all have brands that they want to protect, while it seems simple to have shows go online for free you will be surprised to find that the companies may not want to be attached to such a website so you would definitely be required to get their permission.

All cable companies in the republic pay to have BBC, C4 and UTV on their services, ITV isn't as readily available here.

We cannot get BBC Player in the Republic unless we do some messing about, the same goes for RTÉ Player in the UK.

i know, but i can still get the RTÉ live tv service with my british IP address.

All of the broadcasters pay rights to rights organisations in their countries for music and clips that they show.

It isn't just as simple as saying anything free to air can be transmitted over the web without contacting and paying for the right to have them as part of your website.

It isn't about just the companies suggested above its about other rights holders as well.

Read up on the trouble that ITV, BBC and C4 had with Kangaroo, and that was with their permission even seesaw isn't up and running yet.

Hmm...

bk wrote: »

Elmo is correct, you can't just stream all these channels to Ireland.

First of all the Irish TV license only covers RTE and TG4, it doesn't cover the UK channels. Sky and UPC (Irish cable company like Virgin Media) pay BBC, C4, C5 big money to carry their channels in Ireland, they won't just give it away for free to you.

Also just because it is Free To Air in the UK, doesn't mean you have the right to take it down and stream it for free. You would be breaking numerous copy right and licensing laws.

Also from a technical perspective, LOL you think this can be done with just 9 computers. Trust me to do this you are going to need a vastly more robust infrastructure then this and an awful lot of bandwidth.

Realistically you would need to have a data centre in City West directly connected to INEX and peering with all the Irish ISP's like RTE if for it's iPlayer service.

hmmm...

BTW most Irish don't like people using the term Eire when not speaking in Irish. Many consider it an insult.[/quote]sorry as i have relatives that are irish, as i infact i am born in England and raised...etc.

And i also tell you is... It will never happen because i would wonder if i would make it, because of soo many things in my life to sort out.

thanks for the info. :pac:

Elmo

FREEBBC wrote: »

well i know. it shows the whole of Ireland on their weather map :pwell they just show the same stuff as i know many of the programmes that Irish Republic terrestrial TV shows that are from the United States. as i knowwell to get freeview for people in N'Ireland, it would be like a one off fee for like £20

Is it like the BBC where they don't put Dublin, Cork or Galway on the map?

five buy in many of the same shows as RTÉ e.g. Home and Away, Neighbours and CSI, RTÉ own the rights to those shows only in ROI and five have them only in UK.

The cheapest one off payment is £20 but many TVs now come with Digital Tuners.

But for the people living in the Republic they can get it from the border...etci know, but i can still get the RTÉ live tv service with my british IP address.

RTÉ and TG4 do provide some shows over the internet. RTÉ News Now is worldwide AFAIK. However they can't broadcast EastEnders as that is a BBC product.

And i also tell you is... It will never happen because i would wonder if i would make it, because of soo many things in my life to sort out.

The main obstacles are the broadcasters and rights holders if you can sort that out then you can do it. But they won't do it for FREE.