Portobello-Macken St Bridge-Fairview cycle lane

crocro

This was announced a few months ago with funding. How would the bike lanes pass the canal bridges? Is the council looking at building new bike bridges over the canal bridges (and parallel with the canal)?

Victor

"Subject to later design"

I have a colour hard copy of the drawings, they are on show in the Civic Offices and a few local libraries and they are in black and white here:

On http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display

Insert Planning Reference: 4148/09

Then click through on the hyperlink and click "View Documents".

Then select individual documents and click "view"

crocro

Thanks Victor. That link explains it. They want to use 'toucan crossings' (wide pedestrian signalised crossings).

It looks like a great scheme. I like the way hundreds of parking spaces get removed for bike space. I guess they'll put more bike scheme stands along the route in future.

paulm17781

Are they building over the water at Grand Canal dock or is the map just not spot on?

The scheme looks excellent, it is of no benefit to me but hopefully the start of more to come.

spacetweek

Surprised this thread is dead. First sections of the facility are open now. Haven't seen all of it but the width is very generous (3 metres) and the finish is excellent. Read the Dublin cycling campaign's criticisms and I'm not sure I understand what the big objection is to having toucan crossings. Bikes gotta wait for a green too, right?

L1011

spacetweek wrote: »

Bikes gotta wait for a green too, right?

Dublin cyclists have a major problem understanding that, from experience every single time I'm a pedestrian in the city...

markpb

spacetweek wrote: »

Surprised this thread is dead. First sections of the facility are open now.

Which bits are open?

smackyB

MYOB wrote: »

Dublin cyclists have a major problem understanding that, from experience every single time I'm a pedestrian in the city...

As a cyclist I can tell you that pedestrians are equally guilty of ignoring lights.

markpb wrote: »

Which bits are open?

http://dublinobserver.com/2011/02/in-pictures-canal-cycle-route-under-construction/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pete_Cavan

I think cycle routes like this are a great idea but I love the part about removing 270 parking spaces. People in this country seem to think on-street parking is a licence to abandon their car where ever they like - never mind if it is obstructing the road / the footpath / other parking spaces / entrances or driveways / any combination of those mentioned. Roads are for driving, footpaths are for walking, cycle lanes are for cycling and car parks are for parking cars. When you start to blur the lines by allowing people to park on the street, they seem to think they can park anywhere, be it on the road or on the footpath. I would love to see an initiative in every town and city to remove as much on street parking as possible and provide big wide footpaths and/or cycle lanes.

gurramok

At the northern end of Warrington Place it reaches Grand Canal Street, leaves the canal side, and crosses over to Grand Canal Quay.

How will they attempt this part between Grand Canal Street and Pearse st? Its all cobbled road which is very old and goes under a very narrow and low railway bridge. Interesting to see how they do it.

Victor

gurramok wrote: »

low railway bridge

Most cyclists should fit under.

gurramok

Victor wrote: »

Most cyclists should fit under.

They don't unless they cycle in the middle of the road! Hence my question!

dynamick

gurramok wrote: »

How will they attempt this part between Grand Canal Street and Pearse st? Its all cobbled road which is very old and goes under a very narrow and low railway bridge. Interesting to see how they do it.

To provide a bike lane on Grand Canal Quay, a strip of cobbles will be removed and relocated to another uncobbled section of the street. Through car traffic will not be allowed under the railway bridge in future - instead Grand Canal Quay will become two cul-de-sacs, each ending at the bridge.

--edit--
bad news from East Wall http://naoise.ie/?p=776

monument

I've wrote about why this isn't going beyond the north Docklands any time soon. It had been due to be linked to the cycle track starting at Fairview Park, and go along the coast to Bull Island (and beyond once another gap is filled in)... http://dublinobserver.com/2011/02/millions-for-strategic-cycle-route-suspended-due-to-objections/

MYOB wrote: »

Dublin cyclists have a major problem understanding that, from experience every single time I'm a pedestrian in the city...

Pedestrians and motorists also have major problems understanding how traffic lights work. It's not isolated to any one group.

spacetweek

dynamick wrote: »

To provide a bike lane on Grand Canal Quay, a strip of cobbles will be removed and relocated to another uncobbled section of the street. Through car traffic will not be allowed under the railway bridge in future - instead Grand Canal Quay will become two cul-de-sacs, each ending at the bridge.

--edit--
bad news from East Wall http://naoise.ie/?p=776

Oh, the situation at Grand Canal Quay sounds good. But boo-urns to those East Wall residents. A few bikes passing through their hood is hardly something to get upset about and they really shouldn't have opposed the routing.

markpb wrote:

Which bits are open?

Wilton Terrace

steve-o

spacetweek wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand what the big objection is to having toucan crossings. Bikes gotta wait for a green too, right?

Some of those junctions towards the Portobello end have never had lights before (next to both the Barge and Portobello pubs). Putting in lights might make things safer, but having to wait will be a pain when the road is clear. A more bike-friendly solution would be to let cyclists cross whenever they want but have an option of using the lights to cross more safely.

trellheim

Is there legislation for a toucan crossing required ?

I can see this being danger city at Leeson St intersect, as traffic turning right from Mespil Road, over the canal bridge usually is done in a very narrow window, as there is no filter right, with the net result that 3 or 4 cars usually jump an amber there.

Added to that there is no real view of the far side of the bridge till you get there.

Recipe for trouble if you ask me, that's two traffic lights within, what, 20 feet of each other ? three within 100 yds ( Adelaide Rd, toucan, mespil rd )

Now you might think I'm a little over here, but consider that there's no real "going-along" pedestrian canal crossing lights actually on the canal in that area ( they are all set off the bridge ( the exception is Harolds X bridge, where there is a light to get out of the old Nissan Garage ) ).

Consider ; no East/West crossing at Portobello bridge, its 100 yds north, outside Ricos chipper.

At Ranelagh its new, and its on the Ranelagh Road ( i.e. not on the bridge itself )

At Leeson St its on the south ( not on the canal )

At Baggot St its to the south too ( there's no canal end crossing )

stop

Victor wrote: »

Most cyclists should fit under.

It's pretty low!

monument

stop wrote: »

It's pretty low!

It's low. But once the track is in the middle with other traffic blocked, it's fine. The typical upright cyclist is 1.85m (the clearance in the mid section if 2.36m or more).

The image from the other side with somebody walking on the footpath shows it's larger than you'd think.

spacetweek

Blocking that road to through-traffic will eliminate ratrunning too. Any time I've walked along it cars were speeding through.

D'Peoples Voice

trellheim wrote: »

I can see this being danger city at Leeson St intersect,

Forget Leeson Street junction, the real danger lies in coming over Macken Street bridge (North - south) and taking that left turn at the end!
Do not even consider using the cycle path which is on the footpath - its an accident waiting to happen - you have to take a sharp left turn whilst descending down a steep hill within a very short space of time - try cycling it and you'll know what i mean!
Instead most cyclists have to use the bus lane - how this was not covered by the media i'll never know.
:mad:

spacetweek

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

how this was not covered by the media i'll never know.

Ha, it was covered by the Dublin Cycling Campaign but there's unlikely to be much general interest in the minutiae of cycling for the media to bother with it.

trellheim

I was just looking back at this, the pedestrian lights at Pearse St. (beside Grand Canal Dock Bridge - MacMahon Bridge I think its called ) are also offset quite a bit. I think there is some kind of design offset for road safety ( you can't have a pedestrian crossing so close to a humpback bridge, cos oncoming traffic can't see the red light at the Ped crossing ) .

monument

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

Forget Leeson Street junction, the real danger lies in coming over Macken Street bridge (North - south) and taking that left turn at the end!
Do not even consider using the cycle path which is on the footpath - its an accident waiting to happen - you have to take a sharp left turn whilst descending down a steep hill within a very short space of time - try cycling it and you'll know what i mean!
Instead most cyclists have to use the bus lane - how this was not covered by the media i'll never know.
:mad:

You mean the Samuel Beckett Bridge? It was covered in the media.

trellheim wrote: »

I was just looking back at this, the pedestrian lights at Pearse St. (beside Grand Canal Dock Bridge - MacMahon Bridge I think its called ) are also offset quite a bit. I think there is some kind of design offset for road safety ( you can't have a pedestrian crossing so close to a humpback bridge, cos oncoming traffic can't see the red light at the Ped crossing ) .

Seem to have more to do with accommodating the turn into and out of Grand Canal Quay than it has to do with the bridge.