On strike or not?

Delphi91

Hi all,

Maybe I'm missing something here, but while checking the INTO and ASTI websites, I noticed the following apparent discrepancies:

ASTI:

• All members, regardless of medical appointments, trips abroad, sick or maternity leave etc. are on strike. Accordingly, they should expect to lose a day’s pay.

INTO:

Q11. What about teachers who are out on maternity leave, sick leave on 24th
November?
A. Teachers absent on sick leave, maternity leave, etc. – who would have been
absent from school in any event – will not be returned as being on strike on 24th
November.

The only staff that will lose pay on 24 November are those staff who will be on
strike.

Am I overlooking something here?

TheDriver

ASTI strike til half ten in morning, TUI till 4pm!

Delphi91

TheDriver wrote: »

ASTI strike til half ten in morning, TUI till 4pm!

No, ASTI PICKET from 8.30 - 10am, TUI PICKET from approx one hour before workplace is due to open to continue for as long as it can reasonably be expected that people might wish to enter the workplace. Both unions (as well as other PS unions) are on strike for 24 hours.

That still doesn't solve my conundrum - are there different rules for different teaching unuions as to who is classified as "on strike" or not?

TheDriver

my bad, I meant picket. Well to add more, TUI won't allow even principal onto premises whereas ASTI allows him/her on to make sure all is ok and if anyone turned up for work, being the boss and all that.

rainbowtrout

My school has both TUI and ASTI. TUI members not impressed that half the staff will be heading home at 10am.

Delphi91

Same in my place, but only 10% are ASTI.

Interestingly, the IVEA has decided that all the centres in our VEC will be open on Tuesday. It appears that given non-unionised peoples right to work next Tuesday, closing the school would constitute a lock-out which is illegal!

Coolio

From what I've heard the INTO situation is that you sign a form to say you are striking. If you don't sign you aren't striking even if a member of union and so therefore don't get docked pay?!

Is that not a bit like horse manure? Surely if the union is striking then you as a member are striking? No choice for ASTi or TUI as far as I'm aware. Why the discrepancy?

Delphi91

My point exactly!

In my opinion

Coolio wrote: »

From what I've heard the INTO situation is that you sign a form to say you are striking. If you don't sign you aren't striking even if a member of union and so therefore don't get docked pay?!

Is that not a bit like horse manure? Surely if the union is striking then you as a member are striking? No choice for ASTi or TUI as far as I'm aware. Why the discrepancy?

No choice for INTO either. All out. Your management (in my case CPMSA) are to be told that we are withdrawing our labour. Last time chair of BOM went to each teacher and demanded from them if they were going on strike. Some members felt very intimidated.

This time staff reps are giving a document to the BOM hence saving you having to be intimidated by your BOM.

Delphi91

But there is still an apparent inequity between the way that the ASTI/TUI and the INTO treat those on long-term illness/maternity leave in terms of them being on strike or not.

The ASTI/TUI state that those on maternity leave are deemed to be on strike and hence will not be paid. The INTO say that those on maternity leave are not considered on strike and hence will not lose pay.

In my opinion

Delphi91 wrote: »

But there is still an apparent inequity between the way that the ASTI/TUI and the INTO treat those on long-term illness/maternity leave in terms of them being on strike or not.

The ASTI/TUI state that those on maternity leave are deemed to be on strike and hence will not be paid. The INTO say that those on maternity leave are not considered on strike and hence will not lose pay.

ASTI/TUI are wrong. If you are deemed to be working today and do not work you are on strike and lose the days pay, if you are deemed to be off today then you are not on strike.

Job share: those timetabled for today are on strike, those timetabled for next Tuesday are not.

Those on maternity leave are just that, on maternity leave.

INTO are, as always correct. Secondary teachers check the cheque and you will see,

bdoo

If you are not timetabled for today you are still on strike but you won't lose pay as you will still be delivering on contracted hours as far as I understand it. All members of the unions are on strike but the delivery of service is the issue.

Jobsharers areon strike regardless of whwther they are expected to be in school or not - pay is a seperate issue.

A member on maternity leave is on strike but as no delivery (of service not babies!) is expected on the day of the strike pay cannot be deducted - logical