Somali Woman Stoned To Death For Adultery

furiousox

Can you believe this sh1t goes on in the 21st century?

Allah be praised......my @rse! :mad:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8366197.stm

doctoremma

furiousox wrote: »

Can you believe this sh1t goes on in the 21st century?

Allah be praised......my @rse! :mad:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8366197.stm

Abhorrent, disgusting, it makes me sick that there are people in the world who think this is acceptable.

liamw

This makes me angry. Also, it should be moved to the 'Hazards of Belief' sticky

doctoremma

liamw wrote: »

This makes me angry. Also, it should be moved to the 'Hazards of Belief' sticky

Ironically, it's got f*ck all to do with the hazards of HER belief, it's just the general hazard of living in the midst of a bunch of religious nutters (with "nutters" being utterly appropriate in this case).

Any chance of getting an opinion from the Muslim forum? Although I'm not sure if it would make me feel any better.

MrPudding

doctoremma wrote: »

Ironically, it's got f*ck all to do with the hazards of HER belief, it's just the general hazard of living in the midst of a bunch of religious nutters (with "nutters" being utterly appropriate in this case).

Any chance of getting an opinion from the Muslim forum? Although I'm not sure if it would make me feel any better.

Doubt it, I think asking why the religion is so fcuking barbaric, and idiotic is against the charter.

MrP

RichieO

I don't think it's just religion out there in the middle east, they have always been that way inclined, like stoning, beheading and feeding Christians to the lions... Or was that the Romans or Greeks? anyway it's been going on for thousands of years, what makes you think they have any intention of changing their ways now?

Turtwig

Human Beings are amazing aren't they??:rolleyes:

doctoremma

Arsonist wrote: »

its in their laws so if she couldnt live by them she should have left

Brilliant. Two responses which shrug off this barbaric behaviour as "tradition". How on earth do you imagine anything will change if we continue like this. How about some kind of world leader speaking out? Although I suspect that the prospect of oil in the country may prevent an outright condemnation.

Turtwig

doctoremma wrote: »

Brilliant. Two responses which shrug off this barbaric behaviour as "tradition". How on earth do you imagine anything will change if we continue like this. How about some kind of world leader speaking out? Although I suspect that the prospect of oil in the country may prevent an outright condemnation.

Precisely,

I love the whole well-it's-in-the-law-so-what-can-you-do-attitude, umm how bout speaking out about it and calling it for what it is?
Namely bullsh1t!

Delirium

Arsonist wrote: »

its in their laws so if she couldnt live by them she should have left

Its quite possible she couldn't, as women have to be accompanied by a male relative or husband when out in public.

Turtwig

Arsonist wrote: »

she knew what would happen if she got caught and in there society every minor offence is reported wish i could say the same 4 here

You do realise, that over there, in many cases the so called perpetrators have little, if any, evidence against them other than one person's word versus another?
(Guess who wins if it's man vs woman?)

Also, leaving isn't as straightforward as you trying to make it appear.

doctoremma

Arsonist wrote: »

she knew what would happen if she got caught and in there society every minor offence is reported wish i could say the same 4 here

She obviously cared less for the "law" than for her boyfriend. Heck, maybe, just maybe, she was in love and in most other coutries, that is celebrated, not (legally) condemned, especially when both parties are footloose and fancy-free. She didn't live by Sharia "law" but maybe she couldn't get out. We don't know if or how she tried. But she happened to live in a country where the barely-elected or unelected religious fundamentalists seek to impose their f*cked up version of humanity, even on those who don't agree with it.

Someone has to speak for people like this.

liamw

Arsonist wrote: »

she knew what would happen if she got caught and in there society every minor offence is reported wish i could say the same 4 here

You're unreal. You have to be a troll

Amalgam

I made the mistake of watching an Islamic stoning online.. troubled me for days, at the back of my eyelids like neon when I tried to sleep.

Buried to the waist with the hands down by the side, with a covering like a burqa, but with no opening for the face. Start off with small stones and work their way up in size. The video had a timestamp showing that the person was still 'alive' 20 minutes in. There seemed to be a calculated 'need' or 'urge' to make the person painfully aware of the process they were enduring. It was not over quickly.

Goduznt Xzst

doctoremma wrote: »

Abhorrent, disgusting, it makes me sick that there are people in the world who think this is acceptable.

So what action will you be taking against this then? A few angry posts in some internet forums?

I always view it with amusement when I see people watch in horror or proclaim disgust about a news flash of some horrid event only to, in an instant, switch over and proclaim "Hey guys, a Friends repeat is on, I love this episode".

Malty_T wrote: »

Human Beings are amazing aren't they??:rolleyes:

They certainly are, and the hot air generated in this thread will be a prime example of both sides of this coin. Lets see how much vitriol coupled with inaction accomplishes.

Turtwig

Arsonist wrote: »

of course a mans word should be taken over a womans woman cant think straight in a pressure situation to busy fixing her hair
the woman stoned should have stayed in her house and done her womanly duties cook clean and whatever her man wants

Brilliant,

Troll,

I think you're just taking the piss but I gotta question your morality in taking the piss on a issue which someone died.

doctoremma

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

So what action will you be taking against this then? A few angry posts in some internet forums?

I sign the petitions, I support Amnesty and I certainly don't try and supress discussion of these events.

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

I always view it with amusement when I see people watch in horror or proclaim disgust about a news flash of some horrid event only to, in an instant, switch over and proclaim "Hey guys, a Friends repeat is on, I love this episode".

Friends is boring. I've seen it all, like, twenty times...;)

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

They certainly are, and the hot air generated in this thread will be a prime example of both sides of this coin. Lets see how much vitriol coupled with inaction accomplishes.

It's rare that you get a chance to legitimately vent your spleen about religion. It's all too nice - "let's all get on" - that when something like this happens, the full horror of what you've been tacitly accepting as part of the world hits you.

Turtwig

Arsonist wrote: »

i firmly believe in the death penalty and we should have it this country
as for Somalia im sure that this method has been in practice for a long time as it has throughout the ages maybe my views r a bit extreme and i apologize if i have offended any one

Believing the death penalty is one thing.
Believing in the death penalty through stoning is another thing.
Seriously have you ever seen anyone been stoned? Just thinking about it makes me shudder nowadays.
There are far more humane ways to kill people.

Note : I'm totally against the death penalty btw.

doctoremma

Arsonist wrote: »

i firmly believe in the death penalty and we should have it this country

I hope you wouldn't agree with a death penalty which chose to use stoning as the primary method, one which is selected specifically because it prolongs death and causes maximum pain and suffering. And remember, she didn't harm anyone, she's not a murderer or a rapist.

doctoremma

Amalgam wrote: »

I made the mistake of watching an Islamic stoning online.. troubled me for days, at the back of my eyelids like neon when I tried to sleep.

Buried to the waist with the hands down by the side, with a covering like a burqa, but with no opening for the face. Start off with small stones and work their way up in size. The video had a timestamp showing that the person was still 'alive' 20 minutes in. There seemed to be a calculated 'need' or 'urge' to make the person painfully aware of the process they were enduring. It was not over quickly.

I've seen videos and pictures. There are no words. In terms of the pain, it is explicity stated that it is a method designed to cause prolonged pain and suffering.

Beruthiel

Animals.
Words fail me in the face of such horror.


Arsonist sitebanned for trolling.

Goduznt Xzst

doctoremma wrote: »

I sign the petitions, I support Amnesty and I certainly don't try and supress discussion of these events.

My point is that the responsive actions rarely are proportional to the responsive sentiments.

I sign petitions when I care enough about a subject to hold an opinion, but don't care enough to actually go out and do anything about it. I'd rather sign a piece of paper to acknowledge that I agree with other people actually going out and doing something about it.

I'm damn sure that, on average, an individual will take more personal action against the minor matter of their neighbors playing their music too loud, than they will against a woman in Somalia being stoned to death. A minor disturbance to MY existence will always trump the major disturbances to everyone elses existence.

Turtwig

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

A minor disturbance to MY existence will always trump the major disturbances to everyone elses existence.

+1 Same with me too.

Dades

If I hadn't been in a meeting the last couple of hours this would have been closed to to irrelevance.

However since people have invested in the thread we'll keep it open as long as people behave and it doesn't become a general anti-Islam rant.

doctoremma

Dades wrote: »

If I hadn't been in a meeting the last couple of hours this would have been closed to to irrelevance.

However since people have invested in the thread we'll keep it open as long as people behave and it doesn't become a general anti-Islam rant.

With the most amount of respect, why is it irrelevant? They're not discussing it on any other forum, it's an issue related to religion and it seems that those most likely to oppose it are here.

edit: That last bit was ill-thought out - I imagine most people oppose this, religious or not.

Dades

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

My point is that the responsive actions rarely are proportional to the responsive sentiments.

I sign petitions when I care enough about a subject to hold an opinion, but don't care enough to actually go out and do anything about it. I'd rather sign a piece of paper to acknowledge that I agree with other people actually going out and doing something about it.

Again, what's your point?

If you have an observation to make on human nature in general there are clearer ways to do than singling out doctoremma. So humans show outrage about other peoples problems but care more about their own issues... and?

Dades

doctoremma wrote: »

With the most amount of respect, why is it irrelevant? They're not discussing it on any other forum, it's an issue related to religion and it seems that those most likely to oppose it are here.

Just because it's not being discussed anywhere else doesn't make it relevant here - this isn't the "religion" forum - it's the NO religion forum. Off the top of my head it belongs in either Humanities or Islam - unless I'm missing the atheistic or agnostic undertones in the piece.

doctoremma

Dades wrote: »

unless I'm missing the atheistic or agnostic undertones in the piece.

This wouldn't have happened in an atheist society.

Goduznt Xzst

Dades wrote: »

in a meeting the last couple of hours

Take it it wasn't the most enjoyable of meetings then?

NothingMan

doctoremma wrote: »

This wouldn't have happened in an atheist society.

This wouldn't have happened in an Atheist society for religious reasons. But there are nutters in power in every walk of life. The whole world could be Atheist and horrible acts on this level would still occur.

I agree that this forum tends to be less about informing about Atheism and Agnosticism than it is about condemning religions for their flaws. I don't know if that's a bad thing. We should discuss the issues somewhere and as someone said we know that the religious forums don't like us joining in there with outright anti religious posts, which I suppose is only fair too.

Goduznt Xzst

doctoremma wrote: »

This wouldn't have happened in an atheist society.

NothingMan wrote: »

The whole world could be Atheist and horrible acts on this level would still occur.

It seems to be something misunderstood with some Atheists. I guess because the mind doesn't easily assume a subtractive position. Atheism will not cure society of its ills or even make the world 1 iota better.

Atheism (at least the proactive kind) is concerned with creating an idealogical vacuum free of supernatural and deific influences. Into which a secular model of ideals can flood in. Who defines those ideals and whether they prove beneficial or not has nothing to do with Atheism.

doctoremma

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

It seems to be something misunderstood with some Atheists. I guess because the mind doesn't easily assume a subtractive position. Atheism will not cure society of its ills or even make the world 1 iota better.

But we don't stone women. For non-crimes. On the basis of an imagined authority.

NothingMan

doctoremma wrote: »

But we don't stone women. For non-crimes. On the basis of an imagined authority.

True, but we don't not stone them either. There is no Atheist power as such. Atheism is a word that describes an absence of a belief.

I think if the entire world evolved without any religious or deistic beliefs you would still see this stuff happening. I believe these people are mislead, illinformed, under developed biggots who happen to be members of a religion that gives some credence to these beliefs. Remove religion and you're still left with a load of mislead, illinformed, under developed biggots.

[edit] I don't mean to say all muslims are mislead, illinformed, under developed biggots , just people who do things like this, wether Muslim or not. [\edit]

doctoremma

NothingMan wrote: »

True, but we don't not stone them either. There is no Atheist power as such. Atheism is a word that describes an absence of a belief.

I think this is getting into semantics. What I mean to say is that in the grand scheme of things, those countries who do not have a overriding and fundamental religious government do not participate in the stoning of women for non-crimes. Whether those countries are composed of athiests or staunch Catholics/Muslims/etc, the religious status does not dictate the legal system and does not allow for these horrific things to happen. I'm making a generalised statement that anyone could pick a hole or two in but the correlation stands.

Zillah

BBC wrote:

A girl was stoned to death for adultery in the southern town of Kismayo last year. Human rights groups said she was 13 years old and had been raped, but the Islamists said she was older and had been married.

Right.

That's it.

Stop the planet, I'm getting off.

stevejazzx

Hopefully atheism will continue to increase it's number.
It's the underlying barbaric rituals and doctrines emanating from old superstition (i.e religion) that allow this to happen. In that part of the world that's not even considered fundamentalism as such, more some twisted obligation, a fulfillment of ancient text.
The reality though is that it is a horrible sick, twisted, fearful, ignorant and misogynistic act perpetrated by cowards and animals who exist in a silent terror of their own death. And the convoluted brain partitioning, deranged homicidal sociopaths that rule them, the she demons, wizards and high priests should all be dismantled made destitute. The world is not a better place with religion.

patmartino

NothingMan wrote: »

This wouldn't have happened in an Atheist society for religious reasons. But there are nutters in power in every walk of life. The whole world could be Atheist and horrible acts on this level would still occur.

But we wouldnt be hearing that god told us to do it. We are always preying on the weaker among us.

NothingMan wrote: »

I agree that this forum tends to be less about informing about Atheism and Agnosticism than it is about condemning religions for their flaws. I don't know if that's a bad thing. We should discuss the issues somewhere and as someone said we know that the religious forums don't like us joining in there with outright anti religious posts, which I suppose is only fair too.

Religion is fictional. The bible is made up. You cannot have a logical discussion.

Xluna

Disgraceful,those responsible should be castrated. I feel physically sick but I'm out of toilet paper to clean up the vomit....oh wait here's a Koran....