ireleand is one of the least corrupt contries in the world ???

User45701

They released this years list of the words least corrupt contries.

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5AH0HA20091118

New zealand took over from denmark, you could guess some of the rest in the top 10. Denmark, Sweeden, netherlands ect

Then i came accross this

http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/1117/corruption.html

out of all the contries in the world apparently ireland is the 14th least corrupt nation out of 180 nations

opinions?

Rippy

Ireland bribed Transparency International to acheive that result

ScumLord

I see they got the brown envelope then, glad it worked as it was the last one and we wanted to spend it on something special.

petethebrick

It's true unfortunately. If you think the shady deals that go on here are bad you should see what goes on in a lot of other countries.

unreggd

Our government aint corrupt. You'd have to know what ur doin in the first place to go baaaaddddddd

Kradock

Don't know about us as ireleand a contrie , but the country Ireland is corrupt

NothingMan

I would say it's probably accurate. We've more fcuk ups and idiots in power than actual dodgy dealers. And the ones that do try a sly one are usually found out and dragged through a tribunal.

Theta

Ireland is not corrupt, many people seem to think everyone is ****ing everyone over with shady deals but they arent.

Maybe its just easier to blame corruption or something.

liah

Ireland's not really corrupt. I'm going to get absolutely slated for this because I'm foreign and it's anti-Irish and blah blah blah, but in fairness, they tell you the crap things they're going to do to mess up the country, and.. you guys tend to kind of go along with it, or just not do anything about it other than whinge.

Honestly, I love this country, I really do, ye're all great craic and have the best senses of humour in the world, but a little political uprising instead of just talking about it would go a long way..

Long Onion

How is corruption measured - I presume that undetected corruption remains just that - undetected. Therefore, it could be argued that the top ten countires have the lowest detection rates.

I hate surveys like this, they are pointless really.

anonymous_joe

Long Onion wrote: »

How is corruption measured - I presume that undetected corruption remains just that - undetected. Therefore, it could be argued that the top ten countires have the lowest detection rates.

I hate surveys like this, they are pointless really.

I'd guess they see if they're asked for bribes on the way into the country.

In fairness, it sounds about right.

Irish people moan about corruption, but look at Italy. Let alone African nations, South American, etc.

Long Onion

liah wrote: »

Ireland's not really corrupt. I'm going to get absolutely slated for this because I'm foreign and it's anti-Irish and blah blah blah, but in fairness, they tell you the crap things they're going to do to mess up the country, and.. you guys tend to kind of go along with it, or just not do anything about it other than whinge.

Honestly, I love this country, I really do, ye're all great craic and have the best senses of humour in the world, but a little political uprising instead of just talking about it would go a long way..

Yep, you're kind right there, we have no real desire to take on any personal responsibility for sorting out the mess. We just tend to moan and hand over the cash. To give a political example, last night there was a Dail debate on the upcoming budget, Lenihan was trying to get the opposition parties to outline their proposals for saving the country.

They refused, Labor said that it would be the equivalent of Dominech asking Trappatoni to announce his team and tactics the week before the match. This is what really pisses me off, here we have the political parties elected by the people, who are so concerned with political point scoring, that they will not sit down and work together to solve the problem. In the meantime, we all just shake our heads and say nothing.

Gets depressing after a while.

seamus

Have a look at Italy to see true first-world corruption.

We love to think of ourselves as hard done by, but in reality our systems are overall fair and transparent and abuses of power are relatively rare, and usually caught when they occur.

Remember that most of the world's countries are the likes of Thailand, China, Russia and so forth - countries where every police officer is in somebody's pocket and the judiciary have enough power to lock you up and make you disappear without a shred of paperwork.

We have it good here, don't believe the media. We can do better, but we live in a free and fair democracy and that's a damn sight more than most of the rest of the world's population.

WindSock

Yeah but look at the state of the bottom lot. Run by power mad war lords. I think our system is fairly transparent. Look at all the tribunals and scandals that get published. They are published because we have the freedom to publish and shout out about it.

Long Onion

anonymous_joe wrote: »

I'd guess they see if they're asked for bribes on the way into the country.

In fairness, it sounds about right.

Irish people moan about corruption, but look at Italy. Let alone African nations, South American, etc.

That's not a very accurate assessment of corruption overall though, this is why I put little stock in such research.

stovelid

I think it's fair enough. Ireland's problems are probably more to do with a kind of clientelism than outright corruption.

anonymous_joe

Long Onion wrote: »

That's not a very accurate assessment of corruption overall though, this is why I put little stock in such research.

Well I wasn't entirely serious.

I've no idea how they measure it, but looking at it, it does seem to ring true. I'd love to know their methodology too though.

Run_to_da_hills

Rippy wrote: »

Ireland bribed Transparency International to acheive that result

Transparency International is funded by the EU.

wudangclan

Not surprising,tbh,as we had a period of prosperity and were one of the richest countries in the world for a while.
No doubt,with the recession,we'll soon be sliding back down the scale.

General Zod

In fairness, we don't have to bribe a local warlord to get food aid into any of our regions.

Corruption scandals in Ireland make national news. They aren't everyday occurences.

We may think it's bad, but it's not even close to what other countries have.

General Zod

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Well I wasn't entirely serious.

I've no idea how they measure it, but looking at it, it does seem to ring true. I'd love to know their methodology too though.

Here's the basis of how Irelands score was derived, based on a National Integrity Study TI Ireland conducted this year. You can download the study and have a read of it yourself. Looks fairly standard survey practises IMO.

from
http://www.transparency.ie/resources/nis09.htm

The purpose of each NIS study is to assess the National Integrity System, in theory (laws and institutions) and practice (how well they work). The studies provide benchmarks for measuring further developments and a basis for comparison among a range of countries. The studies signal areas requiring priority action and also form the basis from which stakeholders may assess existing anti-corruption initiatives.

RichieO

Corruption is like an iceberg, you only get to see the little bit at the top, the rest is well covered up.. If you think of what emerged around the Anglo Irish Bank scam as being a one off event, then you are highly deluded... The true figures for all the financial institutes and property developers etc, etc, corruption, runs into many hundreds of billions.

The smell of fear of discovery fills the air, EVERYWHERE...

Pace2008

Of course it's one of the least corrupt countries. We're in competition with South American banana republics, Asian military juntas and Mugabe and his ilk. We all love to complain about what a supposed ****hole Ireland is but we have it pretty good when you take a step back and look at the rest of the world.

big b

Never thought I'd say Ronald Reagan was right....

http://www4.stat.ncsu.edu/~stefanski/NSF_Supported/Hidden_Images/000_images/lies_Lin_4p_50_flat_res-plot1.eps.jpg

General Zod

Dont' worry, he never said that. It's attributed to Charles Wentworth Dilke (1843-1911).

big b

General Zod wrote: »

Dont' worry, he never said that. It's attributed to Charles Wentworth Dilke (1843-1911).

No, Ronnie did say it.
Although probably not first.
And probably thought he was ordering lunch, or war on the commies or something.

Blackpitts

seamus wrote: »

Have a look at Italy to see true first-world corruption.

Italy is 63rd in the list.
Do you know something that Transparency International doesn't know or are you just talking shoite?

Pace2008

Blackpitts wrote: »

Italy is 63rd in the list.
Do you know something that Transparency International doesn't know or are you just talking shoite?

Of the countries that rank below it, how many would you fancy living in?

opinion guy

liah wrote: »

Ireland's not really corrupt. I'm going to get absolutely slated for this because I'm foreign and it's anti-Irish and blah blah blah, but in fairness, they tell you the crap things they're going to do to mess up the country, and.. you guys tend to kind of go along with it, or just not do anything about it other than whinge.

Honestly, I love this country, I really do, ye're all great craic and have the best senses of humour in the world, but a little political uprising instead of just talking about it would go a long way..

Great post. You are damn right.

....now where did I leave me pitchfork ??

seamus

Blackpitts wrote: »

Italy is 63rd in the list.
Do you know something that Transparency International doesn't know or are you just talking shoite?

Various definitions of "developed" or "first-world" say that there are between 30 and 67 countries which can be defined as such. Since Italy is at number 63, I think it's fair to say that it's one of the few developed nations at that level - certainly I can't see many below Italy in the list from a quick scan. Italy also scored almost half of what Ireland scored.

So, eh, yes, Italy is a prime example of "first-world corruption", as TI have happily shown us in their report.

..Summergirl..

I don't think Ireland that dangerous and corrupted than England for example; I'm not talking about Eastern Europe, there is really dangerous !! especially to come out after 9 pm on the street :rolleyes: I love Ireland Those who talk that Ireland is dangerous country need to go first to Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Poland and see the whole truth here people dying because of drug there people dying out of nothing (Andrey Chikatilo is an example) .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo

bounceymousey

We will never be corrupt. When we have strikes, its not really a strike. Like the public service, when they go on strike, there will always be one or two nurses left on a ward to continue work. kids will have a day off from school, they are happy. Gardai continue to work. So, the country won't become corrupt, becuase it doenst come to a complete stop.

Long Onion

bounceymousey wrote: »

We will never be corrupt. When we have strikes, its not really a strike. Like the public service, when they go on strike, there will always be one or two nurses left on a ward to continue work. kids will have a day off from school, they are happy. Gardai continue to work. So, the country won't become corrupt, becuase it doenst come to a complete stop.

Nope, sorry Ted, I've completely lost you ...

InKonspikuou2

bounceymousey wrote: »

We will never be corrupt. When we have strikes, its not really a strike. Like the public service, when they go on strike, there will always be one or two nurses left on a ward to continue work. kids will have a day off from school, they are happy. Gardai continue to work. So, the country won't become corrupt, becuase it doenst come to a complete stop.

Eh what? Is that you Miss teen USA?

Overheal

User45701 wrote: »

Then i came accross this

http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/1117/corruption.html

out of all the contries in the world apparently ireland is the 14th least corrupt nation out of 180 nations

opinions?

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

You trust RTE to tell you they aren't corrupt?

opinion guy

liah wrote: »

Ireland's not really corrupt. I'm going to get absolutely slated for this because I'm foreign and it's anti-Irish and blah blah blah, but in fairness, they tell you the crap things they're going to do to mess up the country, and.. you guys tend to kind of go along with it, or just not do anything about it other than whinge.

Honestly, I love this country, I really do, ye're all great craic and have the best senses of humour in the world, but a little political uprising instead of just talking about it would go a long way..

So finally we've found something that will provoke us into action. Soccer. Seriously I cannot believe how worked up people are getting about this. Its soccer. Our government is raping the nation, AGAIN, and we all just grumble but someone handles a soccer ball and its outrage. Even Fianna Fail are gettign in on it (shameless, shameless move on their part).

Blackpitts wrote: »

Italy is 63rd in the list.
Do you know something that Transparency International doesn't know or are you just talking shoite?

In fairness with Berlesconi in charge the probably were actually 126th. If they had of said ITaly came 15th now in fairness who would have believed it. Believalbe lie better than an unbelieveable one :P

Mike 1972

stovelid wrote: »

Ireland's problems are probably more to do with a kind of clientelism than outright corruption.

The difference being ?

Full list is here http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table
world map http://media.transparency.org/imaps/cpi2009/