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Strange Deaths

  • 17-11-2009 3:55pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭


    Has to be one of my favourite parts of ForteanTimes Magazine. You get crazy and weird stuff posted everyday in AH but I think a thread on Strange Deaths here would be awesome. I'll get the ball rolling!

    Farmer Mark Evison, 47, accidentally disturbed a wasps' nest while cutting grass for a neighbour in East yorkshire, on 16th August and was repeatedly stung on the head, neck and chest. He staggered home and rang his brother Paul. "The wasps have got me" he said. Paramedics arived after 10 minutes and gave him a shot of adreneline but it was too late. He died at the scene less than an hour after being stung.

    On 20th August Joan Russell, 81, died after being stung on the hand while doing the washing up.

    On average 4 people a year die of wasp stings in Britain.


    I hate wasps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Futurecrook


    "The wasps have got me" - epic last words.
    Two friends died of heart attacks at exactly the same time as they sat chatt*ing over cups of coffee. Doctors were said to be baffled. Stanimir Dmitrovic, 64, and Slavko Banzic, 66, both suddenly complained of chest pains before coll*apsing in Banzic’s house in Nevade, northern Serbia. Checks on the coffee established it wasn’t poisoned, and medical professionals said there were no suspicious circumstances.


    I love coffee. ^_^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    In September 1927 dancer Isadora Duncan happened to express her admiration for a Bugatti sports car owned by Benoit Falchetto, a garage owner in Nice. Anticipating that Isadora’s interest might extend to purchasing it, Falchetto offered to take her for a test drive. Since Isadora was lightly dressed, with only a silk scarf around her shoulders, Falchetto offered her his leather driving coat. But she declined. “Good-bye, my friends, I am off to glory,” she called out, theatrically throwing her scarf behind her as the Bugatti pulled away. Seconds later the trailing scarf became entangled in one wheel of the car, and Isadora was strangled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    A personal favourite


    Polish farmer Krystof Azninski staked a strong claim to being Europe's most macho man by cutting off his own head in 1995. Azninski, 30, had been drinking with friends when it was suggested they strip naked and play some "men's games". Initially they hit each other over the head with frozen turnips, but then one man upped the ante by seizing a chainsaw and cutting off the end of his foot. Not to be outdone, Azninski grabbed the saw and, shouting "Watch this then," he swung at his own head and chopped it off.

    "It's funny," said one companion, "when he was young he put on his sister's underwear. But he died like a man."


    Note: No swans were injured in the making of this death!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭InReality


    A personal favourite


    Polish farmer Krystof Azninski staked a strong claim to being Europe's most macho man by cutting off his own head in 1995. Azninski, 30, had been drinking with friends when it was suggested they strip naked and play some "men's games". Initially they hit each other over the head with frozen turnips, but then one man upped the ante by seizing a chainsaw and cutting off the end of his foot. Not to be outdone, Azninski grabbed the saw and, shouting "Watch this then," he swung at his own head and chopped it off.

    "It's funny," said one companion, "when he was young he put on his sister's underwear. But he died like a man."


    Note: No swans were injured in the making of this death!

    Thats hard to beat in the macho stakes !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭MoominPapa


    Gluteoplasty Disaster
    Former Miss Argentina, Solange Magnano, has died from complications after undergoing cosmetic surgery on her buttocks.

    Ms Magnano, 38, was a mother of twins who won the crown in 1994. She died of a pulmonary embolism on Sunday after three days in critical condition following a gluteoplasty in Buenos Aires.

    Close friend Roberto Piazza said the procedure involved injections and the liquid "went to her lungs and brain.

    "A woman who had everything lost her life to have a slightly firmer behind," he said.

    Magnano's burial was shown yesterday on Argentinian television.

    Dr Gonzalo Cortes y Tristan said she arrived at his hospital with an acute respiratory deficiency. Her condition deteriorated until she suffered the embolism.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Didn't think this could really happen, although can we trust wikipedia?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin
    At 4:00 a.m. on 5 November 1983, four divers were in a decompression chamber system attached by a trunk (a short passage) to a diving bell on the rig, being assisted by two dive tenders.[1] One diver was about to close the door between the chamber system and the trunk when the chamber was explosively decompressed from a pressure of nine atmospheres to one in a fraction of a second. Five of the men were killed; the other was severely injured.

    Diver D4 was shot out through the small jammed hatch door opening, and was ripped apart. Subsequent investigation by forensic pathologists determined D4, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient, violently exploded due to the rapid and massive expansion of internal gases. All of his thoracic and abdominal organs, and even his thoracic spine were ejected, as were all of his limbs. Simultaneously, his remains were expelled through the narrow trunk opening left by the jammed chamber door, less than 60 centimeters (24 inches) in diameter. Fragments of his body were found scattered about the rig. One part was even found lying on the rig’s derrick, 10 meters (30 feet) directly above the chambers. His death was most likely instantaneous and painless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    I'd have thought that if the door was open, then the pressure between the trunk and the decompression chamber would be the same, preventing there from being such decompression... ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭tony 2 tone


    Spent a while going through all the deaths on the wiki page a few months back. Some I had heard of, and lots I hadn't. Enjoy.
    http://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/12/30-strangest-deaths-in-history/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths
    From wiki:
    1981: David Allen Kirwan a 24-year-old attempted to rescue a friend's dog after it fell into Celestine Pool, a hot spring at Yellowstone National Park on July 20, 1981. Despite numerous shouts from bystanders, Kirwan dove headfirst into the pool but was unable to save the dog. After managing to swim back to shore, he was helped out of pool, where his injuries became apparent - the exposure to the 200oF (93oC) water of the hot spring resulted in third-degree burns to 100% of his body and had also blinded him. After being led to the sidewalk, Kirwan reportedly stated: "That was stupid. How bad am I? That was a stupid thing I did." When one of Kirwan's shoes was removed, all of the skin came off with it. He died the next day at a Salt Lake City hospital. Although there have been at least 19 deaths due to scalding at the Yellowstone, this was the only known case where someone died after deliberately jumping into one of the park's hot springs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    This has always been my favourite:

    207 BC: Chrysippus, a Greek stoic philosopher, is believed to have died of laughter after watching his drunk donkey attempt to eat figs.


    Honestly, imagining the scenario, I can believe it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭triple-M


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ward_(scientist))
    not the strangest death ever its just the fact that she was the first person to die in this way,and to top it all off it happened in Ireland:o makes it a little more interesting


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    This book is the best work on the subject..it contains hundreds or bizaare,mysterious and downright grisly deaths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Worst I've ever read!
    The victim posted an ad sayin he wanted to be killed and eaten
    linky


    More recent:
    Vladimir Likhonos, a Ukrainian student, died after accidentally dipping a homemade chewing gum into explosives he was using on another project. He mistook the jar of explosive for citric acid, which was also on his desk. The gum exploded, blowing off his jaw and most of the lower part of his face


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Daisy Steiner


    Fortean Times
    A 59-year-old chef died after a 50cm Asian swamp eel was put up his bottom. Doctors in Sichuan, China, found the marine creature in the man’s rectum after his death. It had allegedly been inserted after the man passed out drunk, by “pals” playing a prank. Doctors said the eel had devoured his bowels. Sun, 30 April 2010.

    Wah.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Wah.
    Oh my... I'm clenching desperately after reading that one, thanks Daisy!!! >.o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭hairyheretic


    A personal favorite of mine, from one or other of the Fortean Times books of Strange Deaths.

    A South African man, vegetarian his entire life, and had forced his entire family to become vegetarians, was killed when an 8 lb frozen leg of lamb dropped on his head from a 3rd story window.

    Death definitely has a sense of humour at times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Daisy Steiner


    Have you ever read "Lamb to the slaughter" by Roald Dahl?
    A leg of lamb is the murder weapon and the murderer cooks it and serves it to the investigating officers
    :eek:

    I love the Fortean Times!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Jenny Mitchell, a 19-year-old hairdresser, was driving to her parents’ house in Shaftsbury, Dorset, on 9 March when her Mini Cooper was engulfed in flames and she was killed. A bottle of hydrogen peroxide, used to bleach hair, had leaked in her passenger footwell. It appeared that, near Sturminster Newton, she lit a cigarette and opened the window to ventilate the car, causing a huge explosion


    Smoking really does kill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Than Singh, 70, a dairy farmer in northeast India, was left aghast after receiving a bogus receipt for his own cremation service a week earlier. He complained of chest pains and was rushed to hospital, but suffered a massive heart attack and died. His body was then delivered to the same crematorium in Ghaziabad that was mentioned in the mysterious letter. In a further macabre twist, the body was issued with the same serial number – 89. Suspicious relatives called in police, who believe the death was the result of a prank rather than an administrative mistake. “The element of mischief is apparent and obvious,” said Raghubir Lal, senior superintendent of police in Ghaziabad. “What remains to be deciphered is if the person behind it wanted to shock the old man to the extent that he might collapse and if so then why, or if it was merely a prank that took a serious turn.”

    Deja Dead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭weiland79


    Apparently every year on average 4 Americans will kill themselves whilst watering their Christmas tree....... with the lights plugged in!

    (I have no evidence of this, is that a prerequisite to post here?):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    found this and for some eason suddenly felt a little bit ill::(

    A 59-year-old chef died after a 50cm Asian swamp eel was put up his bottom. Doctors in Sichuan, China, found the marine creature in the man’s rectum after his death. It had allegedly been inserted after the man passed out drunk, by “pals” playing a prank. Doctors said the eel had devoured his bowels. :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Oh gawd, now I'm clenching... >_<


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    weiland79 wrote: »
    Apparently every year on average 4 Americans will kill themselves whilst watering their Christmas tree....... with the lights plugged in!

    (I have no evidence of this, is that a prerequisite to post here?):D

    And about 30 die from pulling vending machines down on themselves.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    Now to Ireland

    Mishap in baked alaska flaming killed waitress


    WHEN the flaming of a baked alaska went tragically wrong a hotel waitress was set on fire and later died in hospital, the Circuit Civil Court was told.

    Judge Dominic Lynch heard that Pauline Henderson of Glenavon Park, Loughlinstown, Co Dublin suffered burns to 63pc of her body in the Killiney Court Hotel blaze on July 25 1996 and died five weeks later, on September 4.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mishap-in-baked-alaska-flaming-killed-waitress-355623.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭Dull and Boring


    2008: James Mason, of Chardon, Ohio, died of heart failure after his wife exercised him to death in a public swimming pool. Christine Newton-John was seen on video tape pulling Mason around the pool and preventing him from getting out of the water 43 times. Newton-John later pleaded guilty to reckless homicide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭howyanow


    has anyone heard or read of the scuba diver that was found dead in the middle of a forest fire?apparently the scuba diver is diving away happy out when a helicopter is called in to dump water on a forest fire that is raging nearby,diver gets picked up when helicopter refills bucket from the sea and scoops up the diver,then drops him onto the forest fire with all the water!is this an urban myth or not,i cant remember where i read/heard it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Ditch


    howyanow wrote: »
    has anyone heard or read of the scuba diver that was found dead in the middle of a forest fire? ~ is this an urban myth or not?


    Pure Bull! :D

    http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/scuba.asp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    howyanow wrote: »
    has anyone heard or read of the scuba diver that was found dead in the middle of a forest fire?apparently the scuba diver is diving away happy out when a helicopter is called in to dump water on a forest fire that is raging nearby,diver gets picked up when helicopter refills bucket from the sea and scoops up the diver,then drops him onto the forest fire with all the water!is this an urban myth or not,i cant remember where i read/heard it.
    I did hear that a long time ago, probably buull**** but who cares, great story. Great thread op!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    A personal favourite


    Polish farmer Krystof Azninski staked a strong claim to being Europe's most macho man by cutting off his own head in 1995. Azninski, 30, had been drinking with friends when it was suggested they strip naked and play some "men's games". Initially they hit each other over the head with frozen turnips, but then one man upped the ante by seizing a chainsaw and cutting off the end of his foot. Not to be outdone, Azninski grabbed the saw and, shouting "Watch this then," he swung at his own head and chopped it off.

    "It's funny," said one companion, "when he was young he put on his sister's underwear. But he died like a man."


    Note: No swans were injured in the making of this death!
    probably the best post I have ever read on Boards.ie. People are fuucking mad!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    weiland79 wrote: »
    Apparently every year on average 4 Americans will kill themselves whilst watering their Christmas tree....... with the lights plugged in!

    (I have no evidence of this, is that a prerequisite to post here?):D

    Oh, yeah I'd believe that one alright, Americans being.....well..... Americans:p
    krd wrote: »
    And about 30 die from pulling vending machines down on themselves.

    I wouldn't doubt you on that one either but having said that I'm sure a lot of us have being in situations where we'll try anything to get that snickers or pack of hunkey doreys out that seem to be just barely hanging on there!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Man, 28, Dies After 'Guzzling' Viagra During 12-Hour Romp

    A Russian man died after guzzling a bottle of Viagra to keep him going for a 12-hour orgy with two female pals.

    The women had bet mechanic Sergey Tuganov $4,300 that he wouldn’t be able to follow through with the half-day sex marathon.

    But minutes after winning the bet, the 28-year-old died of a heart attack, Moscow police said.

    “We called emergency services but it was too late, there was nothing they could do,” said one of the female participants who identified herself only as Alina.

    Link

    What a way to go. The only thing I wonder is if the women were as ugly as sin if he needed a $4,300 incentive to have a threesome with them?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 25,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Link

    What a way to go. The only thing I wonder is if the women were as ugly as sin if he needed a $4,300 incentive to have a threesome with them?


    Correction they bet him $4,300 for a 12 HOUR threesome, to be fair, it doesn't matter how savage the 2 women were I'd be bollixed after 2 hours lets alone 12, haha.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭ImGettinPaper


    lockie1983 wrote: »
    Correction they bet him $4,300 for a 12 HOUR threesome, to be fair, it doesn't matter how savage the 2 women were I'd be bollixed after 2 hours lets alone 12, haha.
    I'd be bollixed after 2 and a half minutes :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Has to be King Edward II.
    He was murdered by having a red hot poker shoved up his arse :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Batsy


    The death of the evil SS leader Heinrich Himmler in 1945 in the hands of the British is viewed by some as a little bit strange. There are supposedly secret British documents regarding his death which cannot be looked at until 2045.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Batsy


    Has to be King Edward II.
    He was murdered by having a red hot poker shoved up his arse :eek:

    He certainly was. He was killed in Berkeley Castle in Gloucestershire in 1327 for being gay. Despite having a wife he had at least two male lovers - Piers Gaveston and Hugh Despenser. His killing was arranged by his wife, Queen Isabella, and her lover, Roger Mortimer. Bishop Adam Orleton of Hereford told them that Edward II had committed sodomy, which was a capital offence. Apparently his screams could be heard far and wide.

    That was in the days before the PC Brigade and the Health and Safety loons came along and is the reason why we can only burn EFFIGIES of Catholics on Guy Fawkes Night.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Some of these stories are giving me the willies. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    Something like 12 people die in the US every year from falling onto upturned knives and forks in their dishwashers :eek:. I've made sure mine are always pointed downwards ever since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    In September 1927 dancer Isadora Duncan happened to express her admiration for a Bugatti sports car owned by Benoit Falchetto, a garage owner in Nice. Anticipating that Isadora’s interest might extend to purchasing it, Falchetto offered to take her for a test drive. Since Isadora was lightly dressed, with only a silk scarf around her shoulders, Falchetto offered her his leather driving coat. But she declined. “Good-bye, my friends, I am off to glory,” she called out, theatrically throwing her scarf behind her as the Bugatti pulled away. Seconds later the trailing scarf became entangled in one wheel of the car, and Isadora was strangled.

    Her children died in a freak accident years before too, very weird!
    The children were in the car with their nurse, returning home after lunch with Isadora and Paris Singer. The driver stalled the car while attempting to avoid a collision with another car. He got out to hand-crank the engine, but forgot to set the parking brake. The car rolled across the Boulevard Bourdon, down the embankment and into the river. The children and the nanny drowned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭Jordo141


    Via Wikipedia:
    Francis "Franky" Brohm, 23, of Marietta, Georgia was leaning out of a car window and decapitated by a telephone pole support wire. The car's intoxicated driver, John Hutcherson, 21, drove nearly 12 miles to his home with the headless body in the passenger seat, parked the car in his driveway, then went to bed. A neighbor saw the bloody corpse still in the car and notified police. Brohm's head was later discovered at the accident scene.
    How do you not notice that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Lorrs33


    Jordo141 wrote: »
    Via Wikipedia:
    How do you not notice that?

    The same way we don't notice the glasses on our heads when we're looking everywhere for them. It's just one of those things :D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Batsy wrote: »
    He certainly was. He was killed in Berkeley Castle in Gloucestershire in 1327 for being gay. Despite having a wife he had at least two male lovers - Piers Gaveston and Hugh Despenser. His killing was arranged by his wife, Queen Isabella, and her lover, Roger Mortimer. Bishop Adam Orleton of Hereford told them that Edward II had committed sodomy, which was a capital offence. Apparently his screams could be heard far and wide.

    That was in the days before the PC Brigade and the Health and Safety loons came along and is the reason why we can only burn EFFIGIES of Catholics on Guy Fawkes Night.

    Lovely Stuff!

    http://great-castles.com/berkeleyghost.php

    Visitors to the castle can still see a deep dungeon in the old keep, into which were once thrown the rotting carcasses of animals, accompanied every so often, it is said, by the corpses of common people who had offended the powerful Lord Berkeley. The stench rising from this disease-ridden and malodorous pit must have been unbearable, but it also provided an exquisitely horrific way to punish those of noble birth who had incurred the wrath of the Berkeley family. A windowless cell can be seen close by. Here, unfortunate nobles would be locked away, with only the stinking air from the nearby dungeon to breathe. It provided a convenient method by which to dispose of those who could not be seen to have been murdered, since few people could survive long in the dreadful and fetid atmosphere.
    It was this living hell that Edward II found himself confined in 1327, after he was deposed by his wife, Queen Isabella, and her lover, Roger Mortimer. It was their intention that a few days in the dreadful chamber would bring about the king’s death. But his constitution surprised them. He did become ill, but he recovered and managed to survive five months in the loathsome cell. Clearly a more direct approach was required, and so the queen instructed Edward’s jailers, Sir John Maltravers and Sir Thomas Gurney, to dispose of her husband as they saw fit.
    And so on September 21, 1327, Edward II suffered the most horrible death of any British monarch. The two men seized Edward and pinned him face down to the bed, whereupon “a kind of horn or funnel was thrust into his fundament through which a red-hot spit was run up his bowels”. Such was the king’s agony that his screams are said to have been heard far beyond the castle walls, and have echoed down the centuries on the anniversary of his death ever since."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭lynsalot


    2011: Acton Beale, 20, died after falling from a balcony in Brisbane, Australia, the only person known to have died while participating in a fad known as 'planking'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭iopener


    i read a good book about stupid ways that humans die,cant remember what is was called any ways the one story that i can remember was about a young kid in america who went to a seaside town for his holidays, he sees the local kids cycle their bikes off the pier into the sea,i'l have a go at that he says and i'll show them how it's done.well the boy ties a rope to himself and the handle bars and cycle off the pier.the poor kid thought he would just be float to the surface with a bike attached,er no.locals couldn't get him out in time to save him poor sod.what he didn't realise is the local kids collect their bikes when the tide goes out.not nice but true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    The strangest for me is the Dyatlov Pass incident.

    Link

    'The lack of eyewitnesses has inspired much speculation. Soviet investigators determined only that "a compelling natural force" had caused the deaths. Access to the area was barred for skiers and other adventurers for three years after the incident. The chronology of the incident remains unclear because of the lack of survivors.

    Investigators at the time determined that the hikers tore open their tent from within, departing barefoot into heavy snow and a temperature of −30 °C (−22 °F). Although the corpses showed no signs of struggle, two victims had fractured skulls, two had broken ribs, and one was missing her tongue.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Plug wrote: »
    The strangest for me is the Dyatlov Pass incident.

    Link

    'The lack of eyewitnesses has inspired much speculation. Soviet investigators determined only that "a compelling natural force" had caused the deaths. Access to the area was barred for skiers and other adventurers for three years after the incident. The chronology of the incident remains unclear because of the lack of survivors.

    Investigators at the time determined that the hikers tore open their tent from within, departing barefoot into heavy snow and a temperature of −30 °C (−22 °F). Although the corpses showed no signs of struggle, two victims had fractured skulls, two had broken ribs, and one was missing her tongue.'

    This one is an interesting one indeed, but what about the radiation that was found on the victims ? also the broken tree-tops in the vicinity. Something damn strange happened here. Why would you cut your way out of your tent from the inside out to get out.

    It was surely an unusual scenario these victims encountered, that's for sure. The radiation is puzzling though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Batsy wrote: »
    The death of the evil SS leader Heinrich Himmler in 1945 in the hands of the British is viewed by some as a little bit strange. There are supposedly secret British documents regarding his death which cannot be looked at until 2045.

    the official story is that he commit suicide. Where did you hear that about the documents?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I reckon the Dyatlov Pass incident is explainable enough, well an explanation that doesn't involve odd stuff. There's an avalanche theory that seems more plausible. Though a couple of problems with that. One, there wasn't any evidence of one. Two, they were camped in an area not prone to them and if one had occurred it would have missed the camp by a large distance. They were experienced hikers so picked the right spot to avoid such, though why they didnt stay in the shelter of the relatively close forest rather than stay in a very exposed spot is puzzling in itself. Maybe something in the forest had freaked them earlier? Wolves, bear?

    Anyway, witnesses report lights in the sky which gave rise to UFO stuff, though I would add a more prosaic, if not interesting in of itself possible explanation for the lights and their deaths and possibly the hushing up of the case. Soviet jet fighters being tested. Avalanches roar, make horrendous sounds. The campers settle down for the night in an avalance area, but where they are they reckon they're safe. Later in the evening after dark a couple of jets roar down the valley at low level. Jets of that era were very loud. They awaken, hear this roar and thinking avalanche panic to get away from the tents. So they run into the dark away from the noise in various states of undress. As the cold bites they start to suffer hyperthermia, one known side effect of this is people start taking their clothes off. Mad though that seems. Critical thinking goes out the window too.

    So IMHO most of them die of the cold, the injured ones were found at the bottom of a small ravine, so stumbling in terror and confusion in the pitch dark falling head first even a small enough distance would cause head and other body trauma. The missing tongue? Predation by scavengers. Scavengers often go for the tongue(and eyes) of corpses, a fresh snowfall would have covered them up so preventing more scavenging until the bodies were found.

    As for the radiation found, that seems to be hearsay many years after the event, so unless fresh evidence supports it I'd be dubious myself.

    Still it was a horrible death no matter what happened and still gives a chill up the spine.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I reckon the Dyatlov Pass incident is explainable enough, well an explanation that doesn't involve odd stuff. There's an avalanche theory that seems more plausible. Though a couple of problems with that. One, there wasn't any evidence of one. Two, they were camped in an area not prone to them and if one had occurred it would have missed the camp by a large distance. They were experienced hikers so picked the right spot to avoid such, though why they didnt stay in the shelter of the relatively close forest rather than stay in a very exposed spot is puzzling in itself. Maybe something in the forest had freaked them earlier? Wolves, bear?

    Anyway, witnesses report lights in the sky which gave rise to UFO stuff, though I would add a more prosaic, if not interesting in of itself possible explanation for the lights and their deaths and possibly the hushing up of the case. Soviet jet fighters being tested. Avalanches roar, make horrendous sounds. The campers settle down for the night in an avalance area, but where they are they reckon they're safe. Later in the evening after dark a couple of jets roar down the valley at low level. Jets of that era were very loud. They awaken, hear this roar and thinking avalanche panic to get away from the tents. So they run into the dark away from the noise in various states of undress. As the cold bites they start to suffer hyperthermia, one known side effect of this is people start taking their clothes off. Mad though that seems. Critical thinking goes out the window too.

    So IMHO most of them die of the cold, the injured ones were found at the bottom of a small ravine, so stumbling in terror and confusion in the pitch dark falling head first even a small enough distance would cause head and other body trauma. The missing tongue? Predation by scavengers. Scavengers often go for the tongue(and eyes) of corpses, a fresh snowfall would have covered them up so preventing more scavenging until the bodies were found.

    As for the radiation found, that seems to be hearsay many years after the event, so unless fresh evidence supports it I'd be dubious myself.

    Still it was a horrible death no matter what happened and still gives a chill up the spine.

    It just says Forensic radiation tests had shown high doses of radioactive contamination on the clothes of a few victims, not sure what to make of that. Interesting though.

    Military testing...

    A 2008 conference at the Urals State Technical University, together with the Dyatlov Group Memorial Foundation, concluded that military testing was the likeliest explanation.

    No state agency has responded to Yury Kuntsevich’s requests for information except for the FSB, which said that all those involved in the case had long died, so there was no more information to provide. Kuntsevich, however, obtained additional evidence corroborating the theory.

    According to a 2009 witness statement from a former serviceman, the Soviet military carried out exercises in the area. The bomber would cast bombs on a parachute; to enable pilots to see where the bombs landed, they were accompanied by burning fuel that could have accounted for the rotating lights, the burns on the bodies and the radiation.


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