WWE in creating new stars shocker

DM_7

While champions may be the old reliables I am to see so many people getting valuable screen time. Most of it has happened since the last Draft.

We got to see CM Punk as champion. While the run was short enough in the end It was a great run and with some luck he will find himself in the mix at mania to cement a great 12 months for him. He really did become a star since the draft.

The Miz is the Us champion. He again moved in the draft and wwe immediately set about increasing his profile by having him take on Cena. While he lost out to John his stock did rise. Since then he has continued his great promos, changed his wrestling gear to look less of a joker and improved his in ring performance.

Dolph Ziggler has had some tremendous TV time in great matches with Rey Mysterio and John Morrison. His recent development is in stark contrast to the guy promoted just in time for a suspension on RAW.

Outside the Draft we have seen the debuts of Sheamus and Drew McIntyre. WWE have really fast tracked Sheamus. He is really looking like a superstar since the RAW move in particular. Drew got a place on smackdown and has stood out. Having him beat people up makes him look like a real bad ass while Vince saying he is the future really helps fans accept him as a danger to more established wrestlers.

Legacy are around a litlle longer but their work with DX really put them over. The fans are dying for them to turn on Randy and when it happens WWE could have a great Feud on their hands.

Kofi Kingston was well looked after by WWE. He was the US champion for a good while and repeatedly overcame the odds as champion. WWE timed the dropping of his accent and elevating him to feuding with a top star perfectly. Randy Orton spent the last 12 months as the guy on RAW while Kofi was working away in the background. Then when it came time for Randy to take a step back Kofi was perfectly placed to be moved up the ladder by getting him involved with Orton.

While WWE haven't really pushed Evan Bourne and Jack Swagger as well as the guys above recent weeks show promise that wwe would like to push them and I hope they do.

So have WWE started to do what we wanted? Are they doing it well with slow builds rather than pushing people to fast?

Well done WWE. Please don't **** it up.

chopperbyrne

It's hardly a shocker. Since the early eighties WWF/E has consistently made new stars.

Not newsworthy at all.

Red Sleeping Beauty

chopperbyrne wrote: »

It's hardly a shocker. Since the early eighties WWF/E has consistently made new stars.

Not newsworthy at all.

Well since Hogan's last full time gig in 1992 they were forced into making new stars for the main event and they struggled to settle on a Hogan replacement for some time. Bret Hart, then Luger, then Bret, then Diesel then Shawn. None really seem to have the longevity and scope that Hogan's run had.

Savage's run aside from the time Hogan held the belt first to say about 91 he was the guy. Warrior of course had a run with it but it was obvious that Hogan would be going over again for the belt at WM. It was when Hogan's imminent retirement and departure for Hollywood that they nutured Michaels and Bret for singles roles.

Although all this is only relevant if your definition of star is someone who makes it to the top and is champion and is main eventing and all that.


Edit:Oh and wasn't most of the WWF's 80's roster made up of talen Vince bought or lured into the WWF from the likes of the AWA or other territories?

Bubs101

None of them are really stars though except CM Punk. The Miz is a reality TV star and a star of my life but that's all. the rest of them are a bunch of fags in tights to most people. This thread could have been made 3 years ago but with Carlito, Masters and Deuce and Domino highlighted

Paulegend

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Well since Hogan's last full time gig in 1992 they were forced into making new stars for the main event and they struggled to settle on a Hogan replacement for some time. Bret Hart, then Luger, then Bret, then Diesel then Shawn. None really seem to have the longevity and scope that Hogan's run had.

Savage's run aside from the time Hogan held the belt first to say about 91 he was the guy. Warrior of course had a run with it but it was obvious that Hogan would be going over again for the belt at WM. It was when Hogan's imminent retirement and departure for Hollywood that they nutured Michaels and Bret for singles roles.

Although all this is only relevant if your definition of star is someone who makes it to the top and is champion and is main eventing and all that.


Edit:Oh and wasn't most of the WWF's 80's roster made up of talen Vince bought or lured into the WWF from the likes of the AWA or other territories?

how is that different from luring them from IWW of ROH or the other smaller territories that where bought out by WWE


i agree with everything else doh. they where forced to find a replacement for an old Hulk Hogan(even back in the 80.s he looked old:D)

but in fairness they have had longevity in some stars such as HBK(albeit lured like hulk was), triple H, The Undertaker, the rock and stone cold could have lasted another 15 years.

Paulegend

Bubs101 wrote: »

None of them are really stars though except CM Punk. The Miz is a reality TV star and a star of my life but that's all. the rest of them are a bunch of fags in tights to most people. This thread could have been made 3 years ago but with Carlito, Masters and Deuce and Domino highlighted

why does everyone like CM Punk so much??????

ok im not looking to start an arguement i just wanna see what you guys see.

all i see is a slight variation of Kurt Angles "i drink milk" gimmick. the guy cant wrestle. he is good at cutting promos but thats all i can really see in him.

Glico Man

The only guy that I can think of that had the longevity of Hogan was Stone Cold, but due to the dicky neck retired about 3/4 years early, he could still be going now really.

The Rock too, but bigger paychecks and choosing when to work caught his eye

Paulegend

well Undertaker triple H and HBK have lasted longer than most modern lads.

im glad jerico came back because WWE has alot of talent on the verge of making a step up to tv but for awhile it didnt have enough top talent.

i really think they need to make ECW proper ECW with a hardcore championship and even a Extreme tag championship oto give it an extra edge or else change the name back to velocity

Glico Man

Getting Jericho to return was possibly the best move the WWE have made in a long time.

If only they hadn't changed their target audience to those slightly younger, we could enjoy him on the mic a bit more, like he used to be when he was tearing shreds off of Steph

michael.etc...

I disagree with alot of the stuff being said here.
DM-Ice I understand what you're saying about Slow-builds for these guys, but i don't think it's intentional, nor do i think it's working. The powers-that-be clearly have issues with committing themselves to pushing unproved talent, and often panic when someone doesn't get over as a top star immediatlely. They show no patience whatsoever, and combined with a needless fear of "hurting" their existing top acts, that's why the efforts to push guys like The Miz have faltered. Out of all those guys, the only one, as has been said, who is a star, is CM Punk. Apart from him, which of these other guys have headlined? Unfortunately, the top of the card in the WWE is ridiculously stale and unless they remove HHH, HBK, The Undertaker, Big Show, and find fresh opponents for Orton, Cena, Punk, Jericho and Edge, it isn't going to change.

Legacy have been in a huge, high-profile feud of course- but that doesnt translate as them being an over, drawing act in their own right. They need more credibility, more authority, and more clean wins, if they're to be percieved as stars when they split from Orton.
Guys like Sheamus and McIntyre are enjoying a swift push at the moment- but only time will tell if this is sustained. Guys like Heidenrich, Luthor Reigns, Burchill, and Snitsky were all give immediate pushes (more so than our two...) and it amounted to nothing because they were slotted into roles they weren't suited for, and eventually creative had nothing for them. If Seamus earns a big PPV singles match next month, and it falls flat- WWE aren't going to acknowledge that it's too soon, and he hasn't been exposed enough to casuals, for them to genuinely care or take him seriously. Instead, they'll decide the shortcomings were entirely down to him.
I think the most telling examples of their poor usage of fresh faces, is he lack of development of Swagger, Bourne and MVP. Fans clamoured for MVP during past MITB matches. Where will he be this year? Yep, probably in exactly the same spot.

Paulegend wrote: »

why does everyone like CM Punk so much??????
ok im not looking to start an arguement i just wanna see what you guys see.
all i see is a slight variation of Kurt Angles "i drink milk" gimmick. the guy cant wrestle. he is good at cutting promos but thats all i can really see in him.

I think Punk was brought up because he's clearly the standout "new" guy, to be pushed all the way to the top- not because Bubs was saying he's better than anyone.
I don't know what to think though if you claim he "can't wrestle". His movements are unconventional, and un-WWE like, but I think that's what alot of people enjoy about him- he's different. If you check out some of his hour-long matches in ROH with Samoa Joe, or his despicable heel work against James Gibson, or his heroic babyface performances against Austin Aries and Jimmy Rave you might think differently. He's really underrated in terms of psychology and his inventiveness and i think because he's such a strong character, people look past the fact that he's really versatile.
His gimmick is nothing like Angle's milk drinking dork who was a villain because he was geeky, stumbled into feuds, and rubbed his Olympic medals in people's faces. Punk is an altogether more unpleasant character who despises the life-style choices of others, believes in what he says, and preaches to fans in a sanctimonious manner, while taking shortcuts.

how is that different from luring them from IWW of ROH or the other smaller territories that where bought out by WWE

The big difference here, is that the those territories had big, national stars in their own right- who were polished peformers ready for the big time. It's world's apart from a promotion like IWW, or even ROH, were there is much talent, but the wrestlers are peforming for a different fan-base, and aren't proven drawing cards, and don't have name value on the scale the WWE is seeking.

DM_7

To clarify I am talking about creating not created. I say stars as in important guys not superstars like the Rock.

I have followed the board here since March and in that time numerous threads and god knows how many posts are made saying how wwe need to create new stars. So I do feel recent developments are newsworthy when it comes to this board. In particular as mentioned in my OP I am talking about the time since the draft. If people want to talk about the mistakes of the past go for it. But your choosing to ignore the progress WWE made within the specific time frame I am talking about.

They haven't created any stars yet apart from Punk.

But to me it looks like they are in the process of creating new stars. Still plenty of work to do with the guys but they are on the right path as far as I can see.

I hope they follow through on the good work done in recent months and think WWE deserve praise for at the very least providing the foundations of a new set of stars. With some luck thye Next Rock of maybe a Kurt Angle is in there.

flahavaj

Michael etc owning this thread as usual.

Biggest problem I have with this thread are the Hogan/Austin comparisons. Do people not realise these guys were total once-off, one in a lifetime talents, who not only were exceptionally good at what they do, came along at exactly the right time for their personas and gimicks to strike a chord with the audience? the likes of Austin and Hogan come along once every 20 years and even then, as I said they need everything else to fall into place for them to really strike gold.

We're not due another superstar on that kind of level for at least another decade.

Rjd2

flahavaj wrote: »

Michael etc owning this thread as usual.



We're not due another superstar on that kind of level for at least another decade.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So what exactly is Chris Masters?

All those who think that Punk has really made it, have you missed his programme with Taker? That really helped establish him.
The thing about all those guys that Icey named and their push is what happens when Mania comes around? Well they all be thrown into the cluster**** that is MITB, or will Vince actually showcase them in the big matches? Cena, Orton, Hunter, Taker and HBK may have something to say about that.......

michael.etc...

^^^

This ties in with what I was saying. HHH has been headling for ten years straight, with breaks only for injury. Taker has been a headliner/featured star since what, 91? That's nearly TWO DECADES. And Shawn Michaels first headlined a PPV in 1992.
For me, because of the top-of-the-card-rut, even Cena (who has been on top for four years no), is stale, because of the repetitve scenarios and opponents he's been placed in. Their progress in devloping talent is too restricting, limited, and narrow-minded, and far too generous to those already on top. HHH's recent Powerslam interview was very telling- they know what they need to do- but they have no idea how to use/develop the talent they have at their disposal. The Miz's feud with John Cena is the perfect example- as is the booking of Punk against Undertaker.
DM-ICE I'm all for what you were saying- but I think it's way too soon to be optimistic. In all likelihood- come Mania, Kofi will be in that ladder match once more.

Furious-Red

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Rjd2

True, it’s frustrating because guys like Taker and Hunter could lose clean to Maria and it still would not hurt them. You look at Taker’s feuds with Edge, Orton and Punk and they are all very one sided. Taker sadly seems cool with losing clean to big talentless blokes such as Show and even ****ing Kozlov, but for anyone else unless it’s an insane swerve or ridiculous interference, it’s a no no. I won’t get started on Hunter!
Coincidentally I did read report yonks ago that guys like Rey, Edge, Jeff and Jericho who were all on SD were not half as protective of their spots compared to someone like Hunter and were much more supportive of the younger guys. Jeff worked his ass off to get Punk over for example.

Cactus Col

Rjd2 wrote: »

True, it’s frustrating because guys like Taker and Hunter could lose clean to Maria and it still would not hurt them. You look at Taker’s feuds with Edge, Orton and Punk and they are all very one sided. Taker sadly seems cool with losing clean to big talentless blokes such as Show and even ****ing Kozlov, but for anyone else unless it’s an insane swerve or ridiculous interference, it’s a no no. I won’t get started on Hunter!

But in Taker's case, part of it must be to protect his character. His feuds with Edge, Orton, and Batista have certainly helped establish those wrestlers as main event acts. I would say the same for CM Punk. As good as fighting Jeff Hardy is, Undertaker is on a completely different level to him.

I do think WWE is now primed with great young talent that have the potential to make the leap into the main event. In the next 5 years the only current main eventers I expect to still be wrestling (in wwe at least) are Punk, Edge and John Cena.

geeky

Cactus Col wrote: »

In the next 5 years the only current main eventers I expect to still be wrestling (in wwe at least) are Punk, Edge and John Cena.

Please God I hope you're right.

Paulegend

Cactus Col wrote: »

But in Taker's case, part of it must be to protect his character. His feuds with Edge, Orton, and Batista have certainly helped establish those wrestlers as main event acts. I would say the same for CM Punk. As good as fighting Jeff Hardy is, Undertaker is on a completely different level to him.

I do think WWE is now primed with great young talent that have the potential to make the leap into the main event. In the next 5 years the only current main eventers I expect to still be wrestling (in wwe at least) are Punk, Edge and John Cena.

id be kinda worried about edges injuries though.

id love to see the the motor city machine guns in WWE. TNA seems to be killing them

DM_7

The positive way WWE pushed Kofi, Sheamus, Drew at Survivor Series.

Then what happened on RAW makes me think I started this thread a few days too early.

Bounty Hunter

haha i had a feeling this thread might get bumped today

DM_7

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

haha i had a feeling this thread might get bumped today