NAAS road 8am this morning

patmartino

Is everyone who drives this road a moron.

WTF are people thinking.

No traffic in nearside lane and the middle and offside lanes jammed with dickheads travelling at 70mph with no space between them.

A big Fcuk you to the stupid cnut in the 04 white Toyota Hiace for nearly causing 8 + accidents in the 4 miles I could see you.

R.O.R

patmartino wrote: »

Is everyone who drives this road a moron.

No traffic in nearside lane and the middle and offside lanes jammed with dickheads travelling at 70mph with no space between them.

And the M50, and probably every other 3 lane road in this country. M1 is slightly different in that all the Morons stay in the outside lane leaving the nearside free, as it's only a 2 lane motorway.

Except the White 09 KE Citroen Van this morning who was travelling on the inside lane, overtaking, then pulling back in. Weird occurance to see anyone else doing that!

cyrusdvirus

Lucan road is a good one too... I love motoring along at 80kph in the nearside lane undertaking others who haven't a clue as to how to drive in a 3 lane roadway

sk8board

R.O.R wrote: »

M1 is slightly different in that all the Morons stay in the outside lane leaving the nearside free, as it's only a 2 lane motorway.

sssssshh, don't tell anyone!

Muckie

Where's the Traffic Corp when you need them! Oh just remembered
there only out on fresh bright sunday mornings shooting fish in a barrel.
Tis like the Wacky Races out there.

bazzachazza

I have been meaning to put up about this very subject.

Why did we waste all that money on these road improvements to 3 three lane roads if all the fecking dopes in this country will only drive in the middle and right lanes.

If they did a traffic survey it would show 90%+ people only drive in the middle and right land.

I got a text from a friend one day who said " Dreadful shame to see you driving such a nice car in the TRUCK lane" sums it up really.

R.O.R

bazzachazza wrote: »

I got a text from a friend one day who said " Dreadful shame to see you driving such a nice car in the TRUCK lane" sums it up really.

But even the Feckin trucks hardly use the inside either. Most of them on the M50 come straight on and over to the middle lane :mad:

It's not just the Irish ones either, even the UK / Continental trucks are middle lane muppets.

bazzachazza

To all the people who read this topic


KEEP LEFT, OVER TAKE IN THE RIGHT LANE ONLY, WHEN YOUR MANEUVER IS FINISHED MOVE BACK INTO THE LEFT MOST LANE AT ALL TIMES

Using lanes properly

It is very important that you understand the purpose of each lane on a motorway. To help explain how and when to move from one lane to another, each lane is given a number. The picture below shows that lane 1 is the lane nearest the hard shoulder. This is also known as the inside lane. On a two-lane motorway, the lane nearest the central median is lane 2 (also called the outside lane). On a three-lane motorway, this lane is lane 3.


Lane 1

The normal 'keep left' rule applies. Stay in this lane unless you are overtaking.

Lane 2

On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished. You may also use this lane to accommodate traffic merging from the left.

On a three-lane motorway, you may stay in this centre lane while there is slower moving traffic in lane 1.

Lane 3

If you are travelling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

Seth Brundle

I drove back from Raheny to Leixlip last night along the M50 (coming off at Blanch) and I was able to drive in lane 1 the whole way except when I overtook some cars (who were in either lane 1 or they were in lane 2 overtaking). Everyone was keeping left, it was soooo weird - surreal!
Then just before the slip for Blanch there was 08KK nissan tootling along in lane 3 - tosser!

Shane732

Muckie wrote: »

Where's the Traffic Corp when you need them! Oh just remembered
there only out on fresh bright sunday mornings shooting fish in a barrel.
Tis like the Wacky Races out there.

I'll tell you where they were - pulling me over for driving through a junction on a bloody AMBER light!!! Not red!! Perhaps the traffic corp are colourblind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr-mafJE5pI

bazzachazza

I hate the idiots that merge and go straight across two empty traffic lanes and drive at less than the speed limit in the OUTSIDE lane.

bazzachazza

Shane732 wrote: »

I'll tell you where they were - pulling me over for driving through a junction on a bloody AMBER light!!! Not red!! Perhaps the traffic corp are colourblind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr-mafJE5pI

Lets not go off topic this is about NOT driving in the left most lane when appropriate

peasant

bazzachazza wrote: »

I hate the idiots that merge and go straight across two empty traffic lanes and drive at less than the speed limit in the OUTSIDE lane.

don't call them idiots ..they are just applying "common courtesy", clearing the way for people coming down the next on-ramp

Shane732

bazzachazza wrote: »

Lets not go off topic this is about NOT driving in the left most lane when appropriate

Noted! I'm just really ticked off about it!!!

faceman

Given there is no provisional driver testing on 2 lane or 2 lane motorway driving, you cant blame people entirely for getting it wrong.

bazzachazza

provisional driver testing

Just because there is no Test is not an excuse for not knowing the basic rules of the road. KEEP LEFT OVERTAKE RIGHT.

You are meant to know the ROTR inside out when you go for your test anyway.

faceman

bazzachazza wrote: »

Just because there is no Test is not an excuse for not knowing the basic rules of the road. KEEP LEFT OVERTAKE RIGHT.

You are meant to know the ROTR inside out when you go for your test anyway.

thats true but is it practical? How many people read the charters of forums before posting? Most people dont at all, some people skim over them and few read them in full. Dont get me wrong, Im not trying to justify the behaviour it all, its a pet hate of mine. But I do think that it should be incorporated into the driving test as practical training for outweighs the theory.

For example, how many people can recite the braking distances at different speeds that you had to learn for your test?

bazzachazza

but is it practical?

It shouldn't be a case of is it practical. You should know this stuff from the start. Especially as a HUGE amount of learner drivers use the motorways before they do their tests.

faceman

bazzachazza wrote: »

It shouldn't be a case of is it practical. You should know this stuff from the start. QUOTE]

Yes but clearly more than just a minority dont. Therefore the existing expectation is unrealistic.

bazzachazza

Verbal questioning or a practical examination where possible should be done on a dual carriageway.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

For example, how many people can recite the braking distances at different speeds that you had to learn for your test?

In France a nice touch on the motorways is chevrons to make out the recommended distance between cars at the speed limit. I found people followed it.

Of course they have truck stops every few miles, motorways between most large towns and between the cities.......


But a few chevrons would be alot cheaper than miles of motorway so i suppose it isnt excusable

a_v525

Another thing, does anyone else hate those people on the M7 all down the commuter belt during rush hour who are in lane 3, then try to "merge" all the way into lane 1 to make their exit!!!!!! Thus blocking up 3 lanes of traffic while they try to edge their way out. If you are exiting at Naas, Newbridge or any other exits up to 15 miles ahead, stay in lane 1 or 2!!!!!!! Dont block all us who have long journeys down to limerick etc by using lane 3 & then trying to make your exit!!!!

JHMEG

bazzachazza wrote: »

You are meant to know the ROTR inside out when you go for your test anyway.

A sizeable amount of motorists never did any driving tests at all. There was a time when the approach to driving test backlogs was to give out licences to whoever had the £5 to pay for them.

My parents for example. Neither ever did a driving test, yet their licences cover EVERY category.

jimmycrackcorm

Perhaps it would be easier to change the law to allow undertaking on a dual or triple lane road. I can't understand why not.

bazzachazza

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Perhaps it would be easier to change the law to allow undertaking on a dual or triple lane road. I can't understand why not.

Simples then you will have one of them IDIOTS change to the lane to the left of them hit you and then sue you cause the rules say overtake on the right even though they had been changed AND THEY HAD NEVER BEEN TESTED ON THEM!!!!

You will never win.

Dartz

If they removed the leftmost lane from the motorways, we wouldn't have this problem.

voteforpedro

just wondering is it legal (if im in lane 1) to undertake cars in lane 2 if they are doing say 50-60 mph and im doing slightly more in lane 1? or should i technically move out to lane 3 and overtake?

Seth Brundle

lane one is the one on the left!

JCDUB

There are big bad-ass signs on the M50 used for reporting traffic disruptions etc. I don't understand why when there are no traffic issues it doesn't just constantly say "Keep Left.Middle Lane is for Overtaking, not tipping along at 70kph!!!" or something along those lines..

It'd be pretty damn easy to do.

I agree wholly with the OP.

Though Ireland has great difficulties still with Road signage.

Esel

JHMEG wrote: »

A sizeable amount of motorists never did any driving tests at all. There was a time when the approach to driving test backlogs was to give out licences to whoever had the £5 to pay for them.

My parents for example. Neither ever did a driving test, yet their licences cover EVERY category.

If your parents have every category, they did not get their licences in that amnesty, but a long time before it.

dudara

I rencently spent 5-6 months driving that road every morning from Dublin to Naas. It's incredible how many people will not use the leftmost lane when it is a available to them.

I eventually wrote a letter to the Irish Times about it, and thed editor published it, but in doing so referred to the outer lane as the FAST LANE. There's half the problem - if people stopped using the words fast/slow/truck lane and used driving/overtaking lanes, then we might start to get somewhere (albeit gradually).

Here's the text of my letter (in suitably overbearing tones so as to suit the Irish Times )

A chara,

I regularly drive on the N7 between Dublin and Naas. Based on my observations, I would like to propose that there is a hitherto unrecognised allergy afflicting the Irish motorist, namely an allergy to the left-most lane.

Perhaps the Road Safety Authority might care to educate drivers how to use multi-lane roads, rather than starting with the more difficult topic of multi-lane roundabouts?

TheBazman

I've driven that road almost every day for 6 years and it's so bloody frustrating. I travel it quite early so there is a lot of space between cars/trucks so I always go back to the left most lane. It means overtaking involves going all the way to the outside lane to overtake middle lane hoggers and back in across two lanes, or else all the way to the outside lane and wait until the person hogging that lane realises that there is actually someone else on the road and pulls in. I (perhaps naively) think that when someone sees the me having to cross two lanes on two occasions just to overtake them that they would realise that "oh maybe I should move in as a courtesy to everyone else in the road"...but alas 6 years in and the answer is still no!

Quint

R.O.R wrote: »

And the M50, and probably every other 3 lane road in this country. M1 is slightly different in that all the Morons stay in the outside lane leaving the nearside free, as it's only a 2 lane motorway.

Except the White 09 KE Citroen Van this morning who was travelling on the inside lane, overtaking, then pulling back in. Weird occurance to see anyone else doing that!

If you want to do the speed limit on any 3 lane road, you have to overtake on the left!
It's almost like drivers think they'll get penalty points for driving in that lane, it's always empty.

testarossa40

JCDUB wrote: »

There are big bad-ass signs on the M50 used for reporting traffic disruptions etc. I don't understand why when there are no traffic issues it doesn't just constantly say "Keep Left.Middle Lane is for Overtaking, not tipping along at 70kph!!!" or something along those lines..

It'd be pretty damn easy to do.

Now, THIS is a class idea!!!

Caliden

It's a rare occurance when you see people who know how to use the lanes on a motorway.

Any trips up North are a blessing as everyone only uses the 'overtaking' lane.....well....to overtake! And then back into the left lane.

DarrenGT4

R.O.R wrote: »

But even the Feckin trucks hardly use the inside either. Most of them on the M50 come straight on and over to the middle lane :mad:

It's not just the Irish ones either, even the UK / Continental trucks are middle lane muppets.

i always use my inside lane while driveing. its only when some muppet in the inside lane is doing like 50mph in the inside lane and your stuck on 55mph and a long way of hauling ahead.

dudara

Letter from today's Irish Times

Madam, – Colin Acton suggests (November 13th) that all households be given instructions on how to use three-lane highways. What’s the point? All households received the rules of the road a couple of years ago, but few have read the new rule, that you may drive on the hard shoulder to allow traffic to pass you.

I drive the N7 each week. It is clear that many road users have never read this rule. Lines of vehicles pile up behind dogged drivers who refuse to use the hard shoulder. And then frustrated boy racers put our lives at risk, trying to pass them. – Yours, etc,

He's talking about using the hard shoulder on the N7 - lunacy, as I can tell you from personal experience. There are 3 lanes on the N7 which is sufficient if you use them correctly.

Rovi

dudara wrote: »

Letter from today's Irish Times



He's talking about using the hard shoulder on the N7 - lunacy, as I can tell you from personal experience. There are 3 lanes on the N7 which is sufficient if you use them correctly.

The N7 doesn't end at Naas, perhaps he's referring to the part that extends from near Portlaoise to Limerick, a good portion of which is single carriageway with a hard shoulder?

dudara

Rovi wrote: »

The N7 doesn't end at Naas, perhaps he's referring to the part that extends from near Portlaoise to Limerick, a good portion of which is single carriageway with a hard shoulder?

Good point - I forgot about that section.

Bonito

bazzachazza wrote: »

I hate the idiots that merge and go straight across two empty traffic lanes and drive at less than the speed limit in the OUTSIDE lane.

Couldn't agree more! Or the dicks in 3 litre jeeps or 4.2 range rovers driving up your hole just because you're car is smaller even though you're over taking someone and cant pull in! Then half way down the road you find yourself over taking them because they let there speed drift down to 80 or 90 on the M50! I swear some people get their licenses in lucky bags now-a-days!

blueband

bazzachazza wrote: »

Just because there is no Test is not an excuse for not knowing the basic rules of the road. KEEP LEFT OVERTAKE RIGHT.

You are meant to know the ROTR inside out when you go for your test anyway.

Absolutely agree. The driving test in this country is a farce as are a large number of the people who drive in it. Typical Irish mentality, do enough to pass the test then ignore every single Rule ever written and do what you want. It's a wonder more people aren't killed on our roads tbh

Know this is veering a little off topic but it's not just motorway driving people can't seem to understand:

Fog lights front and rear - to be turned on when it's dark, when it rains, when there's the slightest bit of mist stopping you from seeing more than 2km into the distance, or when a cloud passes over the sun at noon on a Friday.

Indicators - purely used for christmas decoration, never to be used correctly on a roundabout. Also used when white line is between the wheels of your car to indicate to other motorists that you intend to change lane.....and of course the most critical of all uses, to tell anyone behind you that you have to stand on your brakes as they now have right of way (due to flashing indicator) to pull into your lane.

As to the lack of attention to red lights (or pure ignorance never quite sure)

Sorry, rant over.
Just wrecks my head to see this carry on...

Was on the N4 last week, some clown passed me in the outside lane doing about 95-100kph, was in the middle lane as I wasn't exiting for Celbridge. As we hit the motorway section he overtook someone in inside lane ahead of me, I moved out and was accelerating.
He decided not to move back (even though there was clear road for hundreds of metres), so as I got closer and it was clear he wasn't moving I flashed the headlights once (know not really polite but still...). His reaction? Stand on the brakes in the pissings of rain. Dumb as F*ck. Eventually when he did pull in and I passed (him still at about 100kph) I got the one fingered salute.
Lunacy.

Then again, was listening to The Last Word about a year ago, and a senior Inspector with the Traffic Corp referred to the ROTR as "guidelines not law".....no wonder there's both no respect and no proper enforcement.
Bring in Rudy Giuliani's zero-tolerance policy from NY thats what I say

air

dudara wrote: »

Good point - I forgot about that section.

Classic, you forgot about the 130km of single lane roadway that follows the 70km or so of motorway, you need to get out of Dublin a bit more

JD1763

Thankfully the masses of motoring morons don't read this forum or else I would no longer be able to use the empty third lane on the N2 in the mornings while everyone else sits in the overtaking lane doing 50 mph.

Esel

blueband wrote: »

Then again, was listening to The Last Word about a year ago, and a senior Inspector with the Traffic Corp referred to the ROTR as "guidelines not law".....

Where the ROTS states 'you must....' that means it is the law, where it states 'you should.....' that means it is good driving practice.

a_v525

esel wrote: »

Where the ROTS states 'you must....' that means it is the law, where it states 'you should.....' that means it is good driving practice.

Its a pity that noone outside this thread knows that there even are rules of the road.

Will be driving the full length of the N7 from Naas to Limerick this Friday again, will let you know how I fare!

dudara

air wrote: »

Classic, you forgot about the 130km of single lane roadway that follows the 70km or so of motorway, you need to get out of Dublin a bit more

That's because the N8 is my preferred route of choice when heading south and home. I've every needed to drive the full N7 once in my life.

Skopzz

patmartino wrote: »

Is everyone who drives this road a moron.

WTF are people thinking.

No traffic in nearside lane and the middle and offside lanes jammed with dickheads travelling at 70mph with no space between them.

Why didn't you pass in the slow lane if you felt that angry. It was vacant afterall. Otherwise remain stuck behind the others.


BTW, we don't use "MPH" anymore, we're in the Metric System.......!

patmartino wrote: »

A big Fcuk you to the stupid cnut in the 04 white Toyota Hiace for nearly causing 8 + accidents in the 4 miles I could see you.

Maybe this thread won't last long.