Is Oz in recession? I Hear conflicting reports...

Goiter

I was wondering whether or not to go to Oz this December. I hear people going on about not finding jobs, but then I was talking to an Ozzie girl who had recently left Australia, she was saying that there was no recession at all. When I google recession and Australia I also get mixed results. It seems that this time of year is the best (summer and christmas rolled into one).

Reading threads in the forum though suggests the WHV itself and it's 6 month employment restriction makes it very hard for us to get any work. Is this true for any sector, even factory work, laboring or packing shelves at a supermarket?

I don't have a degree or a trade but I don't really care what work I go into, as long as I can work in the city.

I was thinking of going into Melbourne, but Sydney is an option aswell.

Xavi6

No it's not in a recession, and it never really was tbh

Mellor

Xavi6 wrote: »

No it's not in a recession, and it never really was tbh

At least not like Ireland,
Industries have slowed down, but there are still plenty of jobs

m@cc@

It's not in a recession but be prepared to be patient when looking for a job, no matter what you're looking for.

hussey

Decemeber is a BAD time to get a job, as this is peak season in sydney anyway, there is a HUGE amount of people land on sydney around then for xmas and new year, so casual labour has a lot of competition, and then throw in the fact at most professional businesses don't bother hiring a few weeks before xmas ....

if you come over in Dec, working will be hard, but it is also the best time to have a good time etc

m@cc@

hussey wrote: »

Decemeber is a BAD time to get a job, as this is peak season in sydney anyway, there is a HUGE amount of people land on sydney around then for xmas and new year, so casual labour has a lot of competition, and then throw in the fact at most professional businesses don't bother hiring a few weeks before xmas ....

if you come over in Dec, working will be hard, but it is also the best time to have a good time etc

+1

Same goes for accomodation.

Goiter

hussey wrote: »

Decemeber is a BAD time to get a job, as this is peak season in sydney anyway, there is a HUGE amount of people land on sydney around then for xmas and new year, so casual labour has a lot of competition, and then throw in the fact at most professional businesses don't bother hiring a few weeks before xmas ....

if you come over in Dec, working will be hard, but it is also the best time to have a good time etc

When do you think would be the best time to come over, in regards to getting work?

hussey

winter ... but seriously, the summer time is peak, but people also start to move after summer, so people will leave to go elsewhere and jobs will be exchanged , personally I think late Jan is a good time. but summer in sydney rocks

Doc

A lot of peoples WHV’s also run out at this time of year so although there is a lot of competition there are also jobs that become available. People are reluctant to give jobs to people on WHV because of the 6 month restriction but there are jobs out there.

Mellor

Doc wrote: »

A lot of peoples WHV’s also run out at this time of year so although there is a lot of competition there are also jobs that become available. People are reluctant to give jobs to people on WHV because of the 6 month restriction but there are jobs out there.

LOL, almost everyone I know currently working (that has been here for over 6months) has been working for more than 6 months in the one job.
I'm probably approaching it soon, and no mention of me leaving

Doc

Mellor wrote: »

LOL, almost everyone I know currently working (that has been here for over 6months) has been working for more than 6 months in the one job.
I'm probably approaching it soon, and no mention of me leaving

Well their working illegally then and personally I wouldn’t risk it if you want to stay past 1 year.

m@cc@

Doc wrote: »

Well their working illegally then and personally I wouldn’t risk it if you want to stay past 1 year.

As far as I'm aware, if a company wants to keep you longer than 6 months, they just need to contact the Dept. of Immigration and the majority of the time, as long as it's for the sake of a month or two, there's no questions asked.

hussey

No mate, that's not true .... the dept of immigration would not say that, they might turn a blind eye, which is different than actually giving that advice

Goiter

Can you go over to Oz on a holiday visa without a return ticket (show them traveller checks to show you're independant) and then when you find a job, apply for your visa yourself in Australia (since it can take as little as a few hours)??

I just don't want to waste a visa or find out that i can't find a job, and then have to fruit pick for a few months just to get another one to use years later.

Thanks for the info so far guys.

m@cc@

hussey wrote: »

No mate, that's not true .... the dept of immigration would not say that, they might turn a blind eye, which is different than actually giving that advice

Sorry, maybe my wording was wrong. I just meant they won't make you jump through hoops to make it happen.

m@cc@

Goiter wrote: »

Can you go over to Oz on a holiday visa without a return ticket (show them traveller checks to show you're independant) and then when you find a job, apply for your visa yourself in Australia (since it can take as little as a few hours)??

I just don't want to waste a visa or find out that i can't find a job, and then have to fruit pick for a few months just to get another one to use years later.

Thanks for the info so far guys.

I'm a little confused by the question. You won't get a job without a visa in your hand.

Zambia

Goiter wrote: »

Can you go over to Oz on a holiday visa without a return ticket (show them traveller checks to show you're independant) and then when you find a job, apply for your visa yourself in Australia (since it can take as little as a few hours)??

I just don't want to waste a visa or find out that i can't find a job, and then have to fruit pick for a few months just to get another one to use years later.

Thanks for the info so far guys.

Imagine the interview.

"Have you a work visa?"

"Give me the job and I will get one":(

Mellor

hussey wrote: »

No mate, that's not true .... the dept of immigration would not say that, they might turn a blind eye, which is different than actually giving that advice

No he's right. But there are conditions, it has to be a skilled job, and one your are critical to. Example, an engineer on a job that has ran over time. There is a form to fill out afaik.

Doc wrote: »

Well their working illegally then and personally I wouldn’t risk it if you want to stay past 1 year.

I don't see how it would affect the second year, even though its technically illegal,

Goiter wrote: »

Can you go over to Oz on a holiday visa without a return ticket (show them traveller checks to show you're independant) and then when you find a job, apply for your visa yourself in Australia (since it can take as little as a few hours)??

I just don't want to waste a visa or find out that i can't find a job, and then have to fruit pick for a few months just to get another one to use years later.

You can't apply for the visa from inside australia (2nd WHV is different). You have to fly out to NZ or somewhere, its hardly worth it.

hussey

"Working for longer than six months with the same organisation, regardless of whether the duties or location of the employee change, is generally not allowed. A Working Holiday visa holder may, work for independently owned franchises located in different areas for up to six months at each, as long as the franchisees are different employers with different Australian Business Numbers.

You cannot stay in the same job beyond six months by using different employment agencies, business affiliates or sub-contracting arrangements.

If you hold a second Working Holiday visa, you may return to work for a further six months for an employer with whom you worked on your first Working Holiday visa."

Maybe you are right mellor - I wonder what the 'generally' means in this sense
(taken from http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/obligations.htm)

mandrake04

There was no recession in Australia because for there to be a recession the GDP would have to have contract in two successive quarters. Only Q4 last year GDP contracted by 0.6% probably because people were being a bit careful, Q1 of 2009 recovered and the threat of a recssion subsided.

The issue with jobs is that many Aussies have returned from UK, Middle East, Europe & USA seeking jobs and they have to be catered for first.

Mellor

hussey wrote: »

Maybe you are right mellor - I wonder what the 'generally' means in this sense
(taken from http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/obligations.htm)

If you read on to the next paragraph it covers it. A period of less than one month, but i'd say thats abused too if granted.

mandrake04 wrote: »

There was no recession in Australia because for there to be a recession the GDP would have to have contract in two successive quarters.

I think you are being over-analytical. We all know what the economic definition is, at anyone who watches the news.
But the OP was using the phrase to get a general feel of the world.

In practical terms, there is no difference (to the man on the street in terms of jobs etc) between a country that had 0.1% growth over two consecutive quarters, and one that had -0.1%
Yet one is in recession.

I remember the day it was announced Ireland is officially in recession. Was no different to the previous 3 months, (except maybe for the scare mongering aspect, which is another issue)

lg123

hussey wrote: »

"Working for longer than six months with the same organisation, regardless of whether the duties or location of the employee change, is generally not allowed. A Working Holiday visa holder may, work for independently owned franchises located in different areas for up to six months at each, as long as the franchisees are different employers with different Australian Business Numbers.

You cannot stay in the same job beyond six months by using different employment agencies, business affiliates or sub-contracting arrangements.

If you hold a second Working Holiday visa, you may return to work for a further six months for an employer with whom you worked on your first Working Holiday visa."

Maybe you are right mellor - I wonder what the 'generally' means in this sense
(taken from http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/obligations.htm)

is this enforced? has anyone here had to leave their job because of the 6 month rule?

Kaka86

im going over on my own ...start of feb ....flying into sydney...just wondering ...anyone know a good hostel...and how do you go about getting work...have WHV but seriously considering stayin for good ...

mood

I'm over 30. Is it possible to get a visa at my age?

mandrake04

Mellor wrote: »

I think you are being over-analytical. We all know what the economic definition is, at anyone who watches the news.
But the OP was using the phrase to get a general feel of the world.

In practical terms, there is no difference (to the man on the street in terms of jobs etc) between a country that had 0.1% growth over two consecutive quarters, and one that had -0.1%
Yet one is in recession.

I remember the day it was announced Ireland is officially in recession. Was no different to the previous 3 months, (except maybe for the scare mongering aspect, which is another issue)

I was just answering the question with a straightforward answer, bottom line is that Australia is no way the same basket case as Ireland.

hussey

lg123 wrote: »

is this enforced? has anyone here had to leave their job because of the 6 month rule?

Yes, nearly everyone

mood wrote: »

I'm over 30. Is it possible to get a visa at my age?

if you are under 31 then yes, if over 31, then no working holiday visas

mood

hussey wrote: »

Yes, nearly everyone


if you are under 31 then yes, if over 31, then no working holiday visas

But there are other options surely. I am over 31.

hussey

yes skilled migrant, business sponsorship, holiday ....
any details on what you do might help

mandrake04

mood wrote: »

But there are other options surely. I am over 31.

Yes these options are open to you

1. Temporary Employer Sponsorship visa 4 Year (Subclass 457) Tricky enough to get a sponsor
2. Permanent Employer Sponsorship visa (Subclass 121/856) If you have correct skills and then very very lucky to get a sponsor
3. General Skills Migration (Subclass 175) Easy enough If you have the correct skills but could take 3-4 Years
4. Marry an Australian Last resort

Wuggectumondo

I'm just back from Sydney and Melbourne. There were loads of jobs like waitressing, shop work, office work, hotel work and farming.

Doc

Wuggectumondo wrote: »

I'm just back from Sydney and Melbourne. There were loads of jobs like waitressing, shop work, office work, hotel work and farming.

That’s a bit misleading I had friends who couldn’t find work here in Melbourne and had to go home. Don’t get me wrong there are jobs here just not as easy to find as you’re making out.

Wuggectumondo

I wasn't trying to exaggerate. In one street I walked up there were 4 signs looking for wait staff (1 was in a pizza place but anyway it's a job!!). But that was about an hour from Melbourne- you've more luck venturing outside the city into the smaller towns.

I'd say the people who go home prob stay right in the city centre looking for jobs- where the most competition is. I came across the jobs an hour - 2 hours from the city. Although I've 3 friends in Sydney who got jobs there no problem and 2 in Brisbane.

There is always fruit picking work in Australia too and traffic control.

m@cc@

Doc wrote: »

That’s a bit misleading I had friends who couldn’t find work here in Melbourne and had to go home. Don’t get me wrong there are jobs here just not as easy to find as you’re making out.

There are jobs out there and just because your friends had to go home doesn't make that not so. What people do need to know is that if they are on a WHV, they are the cattle fodder of employees no matter what qualifications they have and as such, they should be prepared to accept jobs which reflect this. Sitting in a hostel in front of a computer won't find you a job, actually getting up of your behind and enquiring in shops and pubs will.