Part Worn Tyres

Volvoboy

Got two for my car today, these are the same tyres from eire tyres at €150 each.

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=62159632.124.20800&typ=R-105381&ranzahl=4&Breite=205&Quer=50&Felge=16&weiter=90&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&sort_by=brand&Transport=P&dsco=124

Got 'em in autodepo on the Belgard Rd with about 6mm of thread left, the two of them fitted for €75 :eek:

peasant

Part worn is all well and good ...but how much of that wear was abuse?

johndaman66

Looks like a right good deal that you got to me Volvoboy. Remember you would be paying another few quid for fitting them after you get them from Eire Tyres. I know what I'll be doing next time round that I need tyres!

There was a recent thread on part worn tyres locked...for what reason I'm absolutely baffled.

Guy:Incognito

In fairness Volvoboy, the tyres from eiretyres for €150 arent really comparable to what you got. They are new, you bought 2nd hand. It's not the same.

JohnCleary

Did these go onto a taxi?

Volvoboy

Stekelly wrote: »

In fairness Volvoboy, the tyres from eiretyres for €150 arent really comparable to what you got. They are new, you bought 2nd hand. It's not the same.

They are the same, just with 3mm less on them. For the price of one ''Sunny'' tyre i got two Michelins?

Guy:Incognito

Volvoboy wrote: »

They are the same, just with 3mm less on them. For the price of one ''Sunny'' tyre i got two Michelins?

It's how that 3mm was worn off them I'd be worried about, and why the person felt the need to have them taken off their car. Ireland is not like many European countries with hugely varying weather from Summer to Winter nessecitating changing of tyres. There really isnt a need to change your tyres until they are worn down.

Volvoboy

Stekelly wrote: »

It's how that 3mm was worn off them I'd be worried about.

Think its somwhere in Germany.

johndaman66

peasant wrote: »

Part worn is all well and good ...but how much of that wear was abuse?

Abuse to a tyre would result in added wear I'm thinking peasant. I don't see the issue if the tyre is well within its legal limits. Other than that I'm sure that them them tyres would be checked and double checked for damage to the sidewalls and bulges.

Seems like a better idea to me than spending big bucks on low grade Japanese Japanese baloons (or I mean tyres)...Now a good chance you might have a blow out with them.

Owen

johndaman66 wrote: »

Abuse to a tyre would result in added wear I'm thinking peasant.

Not necessarily. If the original tread depth was say 6mm, it would be possible for someone to scrub off 3mm at a track day in mondello. Hence abuse, with no perceived added wear. It's impossible to say what the tyres were subjected to prior to VB's purchasing them.

Did they end up on the Taxi VB?

Volvoboy

JohnCleary wrote: »

Did these go onto a taxi?

Yes.

Guy:Incognito

johndaman66 wrote: »

Seems like a better idea to me than spending big bucks on low grade Japanese Japanese baloons (or I mean tyres)...Now a good chance you might have a blow out with them.

Might be a shock to a lot of people (not directing it nessecarily at you) but you dont have to go for cheapor poor quality tyres. Seeing as how they are so important, people should feel free to by good ones. Theres plenty of choice in decent makes too.

bazz26

Isn't there the same risk on any second hand car then?

Volvoboy

bazz26 wrote: »

Isn't there the same risk on any second hand car then?

Indeed, the tyres are fully legal.

Owen

From tirereview.com on the subject of part worn tires

They may have been run over or underinflated, and may have sustained irreparable and invisible damage to their structure. Part-worn tires don’t come with a guarantee and buyers have no means of recourse should things go wrong.

johndaman66

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Not necessarily. If the original tread depth was say 6mm, it would be possible for someone to scrub off 3mm at a track day in mondello. Hence abuse, with no perceived added wear. It's impossible to say what the tyres were subjected to prior to VB's purchasing them.

I sincerely fail to see your point PaintDoctor. No matter how the 3mm was worn off the tyres its all wear and the same thing as wearing 3mm off the tyre by flogging it around mondello or up and down the M50 or N7. You end up with the same part worn tyre. Now if the tyre was flaked off kerbs at Mondello that would be a different thing and I'm sure this would be spotted on an examination of the sidewalls of the tyres.

Stekelly wrote: »

Might be a shock to a lot of people (not directing it nessecarily at you) but you dont have to go for cheapor poor quality tyres. Seeing as how they are so important, people should feel free to by good ones. Theres plenty of choice in decent makes too.

Fair enough Stekelly but you don't need to pay over the odds either. I think Volvoboy did get a bargain. Granted they wont last as long as if he got the tyres new but if he changes them before them become illegal I would imagine he will get much better value out of them than if he bought them new. I would agree with you that you don't have to go for low quality tyres but is all good if you get good quality tyres cheaper.

Carstuck

Volvoboy wrote: »

Yes.

Seeing as they are for a taxi and they would be getting heavy usage, wouldn't new ones pay off just as good. Personally I would only put new tyres on my car even if I was only at low milage.

johndaman66

bazz26 wrote: »

Isn't there the same risk on any second hand car then?

And following on from this how many people posting negative comments at what VolvoBoy did can whole heartdly say they would insist on and change the tyres on a used car that they would buy regardless of how much wear is on them? Or a rental car...would ye insist that the tyres are changed in a rental car before driving off?

Owen

johndaman66 wrote: »

I sincerely fail to see your point PaintDoctor. No matter how the 3mm was worn off the tyres its all wear and the same thing as wearing 3mm off the tyre by flogging it around mondello or up and down the M50 or N7. You end up with the same part worn tyre. Now if the tyre was flaked off kerbs at Mondello that would be a different thing and I'm sure this would be spotted on an examination of the sidewalls od the tyres

Unfortuntely, that's not the case. There is a significant amount of structural stress put on a tire when tracked which isn't there when driven on roads. You can't inspect the sidewall to tell the damage, it's inside the sidewall that gets damaged, whereas an inspection of the outside will tell you nothing. I've got a photo somewhere of a classic Mini on a track up north, and the cornering forces have the tire, and wheel 2 inches off line with each other. Obviously not the same on a modern corner - but these are the forces which differentiate track abuse and normal road wear and tear,

Because this is a Taxi that these tires have been put on, I wonder if it's a false economy. I mean that in the sense that if VB has a blowout, or a sidewall decides to bulge a month or two later, and he has to put a spare on which takes time and reduces the number of customers he can serve during the day, or worse again, if he has more than one tire failure, and has to pay for breakdown recovery.

They might be legal, but so's half a pint when you're driving. Doesn't mean it's a good idea though.

Anyway, it's not my car, so if you do get the life out of them, then the gamble pays off.

Big Nasty

I don't see the problem personally. These tyres are obviously coming from a European state with extremes of temperature where they may change twice a year as opposed to Irish, leave 'em on until they're bald tyres. Also I doubt this company could legally sell these tyres without testing to see if they have incurred high stress or have bulges etc. I would take 30% worn good tyres over brand new economy tyres all day long every day!

Volvoboy

Car is fully legal, the tyres are pressure tested, i inspected them before the went onto the car. Saved a few notes and now have a two Branded tyres instead of some Asian ****e.

rebel.ranter

Volvoboy wrote: »

Car is fully legal, the tyres are pressure tested, i inspected them before the went onto the car. Saved a few notes and now have a two Branded tyres instead of some Asian ****e.

He he!!:D:D:D:D

Michelin makes tracks in Asia; tire maker is on lookout for alliance

Article Abstract:

French tire manufacturer Michelin is aiming to regain its no. 1 market position by acquiring or partnering with an Asian firm. Having recently lost its market ranking to Goodyear, which formed a partnership with Sumitomo Rubber Industries Ltd., Michelin is looking towards Japan and South Korea for new business opportunities. The likelihood that the company will grow in response to the Goodyear- Sumitomo arrangement has prompted an increase in shares.
author: Carreyrou, John
Publisher: Dow Jones Publishing Co. (Europe)
Publication Name: Wall Street Journal. Europe
Subject: Business, international
ISSN: 0921-9986
Year: 1999

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Business-international/Michelin-makes-tracks-in-Asia-tire-maker-is-on-lookout-for-alliance.html#ixzz0WOYti0Hs

Volvoboy

rebel.ranter wrote: »

He he!!:D:D:D:D

Very good. :P

johndaman66

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Unfortuntely, that's not the case. There is a significant amount of structural stress put on a tire when tracked which isn't there when driven on roads. You can't inspect the sidewall to tell the damage, it's inside the sidewall that gets damaged, whereas an inspection of the outside will tell you nothing. I've got a photo somewhere of a classic Mini on a track up north, and the cornering forces have the tire, and wheel 2 inches off line with each other. Obviously not the same on a modern corner - but these are the forces which differentiate track abuse and normal road wear and tear,

Because this is a Taxi that these tires have been put on, I wonder if it's a false economy. I mean that in the sense that if VB has a blowout, or a sidewall decides to bulge a month or two later, and he has to put a spare on which takes time and reduces the number of customers he can serve during the day, or worse again, if he has more than one tire failure, and has to pay for breakdown recovery.

They might be legal, but so's half a pint when you're driving. Doesn't mean it's a good idea though.

Anyway, it's not my car, so if you do get the life out of them, then the gamble pays off.

I'll have to agree to differ with your take PaintDoctor. Fair enough I'll acknowledge the fact there is increased stresses placed on the sidewall of the tyres from high speed cornering but all the same I'm wondering at the end of the day if it does result in a signicantly weaker tyre. I do believe that most if not all these tyres come in from Germany where they change their tyres after Summer and Winter. As such I think you would be pretty unlucky if you got tyres that were used on a race track and even if so I'm honestly wondering if they are signicantly weaker, assuming that they are inspected before being refitted also...granted you are taking a certain chance on anything you buy secondhand though and I'm sure VolvoBoy knows this too but its a chance he is willing take for the significant saving.

I have put on new tryes on a car of mine in the past and two of them had bulges on the inner sidewalls with low miles done and not being on a track or anything like so suppose you are taking a certain chance with new tyres too at times. There was a high probability I would have had a blowout in these if i kept driving on them for much longer despite the small mileage on them and knowing the history of them. I would much rather go with partworn tyres of a recognised brand than new tyres of an unheard of brand. I have a friend who always uses partworn tyres and he never had any issues...think ill follow suit.

Alun

johndaman66 wrote: »

I do believe that most if not all these tyres come in from Germany where they change their tyres after Summer and Winter.

What they do in Germany is to put winter or M+S tyres on in the winter. Usually, the summer tyres will just be kept stacked up in a corner of the garage or in the basement over the winter and then put back on again in the spring. If a summer tyre had 6mm of tread on it it'd be lunacy to throw it away for no good reason ... I certainly never did when I lived there.

However, depending on the mileage you'd done in the winter, and whether you'd stuck religiously to the max. speed for the tyres, the winter or M+S tyres could well be shot after one season though.

Matt Simis

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Unfortuntely, that's not the case. There is a significant amount of structural stress put on a tire when tracked which isn't there when driven on roads.

Why are we stuck on Tracked tyres? The amount of cars on tracks compared on the road is so small its an insignificant tiny part of a percentage. The overwhelming odds are these guys are selling good quality part worn (ie used) tyres are coming from tyres people are leaving with garages after switching to winters. What is a professional living in an apartment in Munich want with 4 used summer tyres?

Yes, they could be tracked, but by the same logic a used car could be too. There is also the matter that these places want repeat business, a business in which they are trying to persuade a sceptical consumer. They would not want to sell poor quality, troublesome stock.

No one is saying they are as good as new, but I wouldnt have a problem trying them out (Id be going for some wide, premium brand versions though) if the price is right.
Thanks to potholes and rogue screws Ive had to replace 5 tyres in 2years, some of them less than 6mths old. Our roads are too rubbish to justify paying top dollar on tyres but I dont want cheap rubbish on them.

The Chinese crap that came on the fronts of one of our cars are simply lethal. Brand new and lethal.

bladebrew

where do part worn tyres come from??
i saw some show on discovery recently where they "refurbish" truck tyres,it was terrifying,they shave the old thread off and basically glue a new thread on!!

colm_mcm

How many trackday users use 185-70/14 or whatever a Carina runs. this hysteria around used tyres bugs me, most of the "knowledge" on the net is supplied by tyre companies and distributors.
Every car you buy has 4 used tyres.

Carstuck

Any part worn tyre can look as good as new when shined up, similair to a second hand car. However why are they been changed if they are still within the legal tyre thread? As Irish Summers are the same as Winter, I doubt it thats its the season!

L1011

bladebrew wrote: »

where do part worn tyres come from??
i saw some show on discovery recently where they "refurbish" truck tyres,it was terrifying,they shave the old thread off and basically glue a new thread on!!

They're remoulds; part-worns come from a variety of sources - people changing wheel sizes and disposing of the old ones, crashed vehicles, countries with far stricter tread depth, etc, etc.

They should be fine, but I wouldn't take the risk - I drive my cars fairly hard and only use new, branded, matched, decent speed rated tyres on them. I wouldn't trust remoulds at all having seen the quality of the one that used to be common here!

L1011

colm_mcm wrote: »

Every car you buy has 4 used tyres.

...used on that vehicle, to that vehicles maximum speeds, with that vehicles weight loading, etc.

Matt Simis

Carstuck wrote: »

Any part worn tyre can look as good as new when shined up, similair to a second hand car. However why are they been changed if they are still within the legal tyre thread? As Irish Summers are the same as Winter, I doubt it thats its the season!

Its assumed they arent from Ireland. Also our summers are not the same as our Winter by any stretch. The sooner Irish people stop parading around then crashing in Winter time with their summer tyres the safer we will all be. Thats something useful the RSA could do for a change.
Winters out perform summers at 7 degrees and below.

But thats a topic for another thread (already done, Winters won.. )

MYOB wrote: »

...used on that vehicle, to that vehicles maximum speeds, with that vehicles weight loading, etc.

And why would you possibly believe or assume any of that? You arent given any sort of assurance on the tyres on a used car.

mickdw

bladebrew wrote: »

i saw some show on discovery recently where they "refurbish" truck tyres,it was terrifying,they shave the old thread off and basically glue a new thread on!!

I believe they do the same with jet aircraft tyres as the very strong steel banding in the tyre far outlasts the rubber surface.
Nothing dodgy about this when done properly. I have seen travellers selling remoulds where the new thread just disappears after a few miles!

I would buy part worn from a reputable specialist company. I would not buy them from a scrap yard as there is a much higher chance that the tyre had some undue force put through it.
Following an old thread here, I enquired with a dublin importer of part worn tyres who offered me michelin pilot sport II, 245/40/18 for €60 each fitted. Now these are €210 delivered on camskill plus about 15 to fit so bargain.

galwaytt

MYOB wrote: »

...used on that vehicle, to that vehicles maximum speeds, with that vehicles weight loading, etc.

....you have no way of knowing that. What if the ones on the car, were fitted just before you bought it...........from the same place Volvoboy bought his, used........?

Matt Simis wrote: »

And why would you possibly believe or assume any of that? You arent given any sort of assurance on the tyres on a used car.

Exactly

L1011

Matt Simis wrote: »

And why would you possibly believe or assume any of that? You arent given any sort of assurance on the tyres on a used car.

I've never bought a (properly) used car in my life... and I've no intention of breaking the habit of a (short) lifetime yet. However, if someones giving me the "just had new tyres fitted..." spiel I'd be looking for the receipt to prove it, same as any other "just had..." repairs/maintainence wise.

Volvoboy

I'm supprised there's any canned worms left!! :P