4000 series DVT's

Cookie_Monster

Are these the ugliest trains in the world?

I think they're fairly awful looking!:pac:
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Cookie_Monster

No one And there's me thinkin a bit of light hearted discussion would do some good around here:P

murphaph

Yeah, duck billed platypus they are!

DWCommuter

Yeah there's a Duck thing going on alright. I can also see some Frog in there as well.

Cookie_Monster

The Don Vito stuffed cheek look:pac:

SeanW

I like it, the paint scheme is very nice

it sure beats the bejesus out of that godawful orange paint scheme that was on all the trains up until about 2000.

The only thing ugly about these trains is when they are pushed/pulled by one of the many non-matching 201 painted locos. :mad:

[trainspotter mode]My only regret is that the MK2Ds didn't survive long enough to have at least one set repainted with this scheme. That would have been interesting[/trainspotter mode]
*ducks for cover*

Run_to_da_hills

No, they are actually not the worst, its just the naff colour scheme.

These are what I call an ugly trains.

This one is more like a duck. (Talgo comes in wierd shapes and sizes)



http://www.sdrm.org/news/railfair99/talgo.jpg






And of course mixing carriage sets get up against my grain. :eek:

murphaph

I've been on one of those "513" things in Belgium. A lot of that junk is from North America where style doesn't enter the equation haha.

Cookie_Monster

This one is more like a duck. (Talgo comes in wierd shapes and sizes)


Yeah thats pretty bad alright

tis grand, just big and boxy

WTF is that supposed to be?


again not to bad, reminds me of a toilet seat though



That looks like it's designed to **** you up when it runs you down:pac:

Cookie_Monster

SeanW wrote: »

I like it, the paint scheme is very nice

it sure beats the bejesus out of that godawful orange paint scheme that was on all the trains up until about 2000.

The only thing ugly about these trains is when they are pushed/pulled by one of the many non-matching 201 painted locos. :mad:

That orange was class, really distinctive. the green and grey is crap IMO. The craven orange and black was better than the mk3 all over orange though.

My favourite is the original enterprise liverly though.

corktina

streamlined in one direction and a huge flat-iron freight diesel on the front when heading back....oh dear me....

donvito99

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The Don Vito stuffed cheek look:pac:

Oi!

SeanW

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That orange was class, really distinctive.

Yeah. Distinctively fugly. But, to each his own :pac:

My favourite is the original enterprise liverly though.

It was kinda nice actually, but the new one's not bad either.

My favourite IE paint scheme must be the CDE paint scheme though.

Judgement Day

SeanW wrote: »

I like it, the paint scheme is very nice

it sure beats the bejesus out of that godawful orange paint scheme that was on all the trains up until about 2000.

The only thing ugly about these trains is when they are pushed/pulled by one of the many non-matching 201 painted locos. :mad:

[trainspotter mode]My only regret is that the MK2Ds didn't survive long enough to have at least one set repainted with this scheme. That would have been interesting[/trainspotter mode]
*ducks for cover*

Can't agree with you here - the brief for this paint scheme must have been design the most unserviceable livery for the Irish weather. The only time they looked clean was when the entered service. Never mind they will probably soon follow the MkIIIs and 201 locos. CIE -Complete Ineptitude Expected.

Zoney

The "Mark 4" DVTs are pretty obtrusive - I don't think it matters too much the incongruity between a streamlined DVT and bulky engine at the other end, but the DVT should be lower key (a bit difficult with the yellow patching they seem to require now).

murphaph

I loved and still love the orange and black with the white stripe livery.

dowlingm

Most services aspiring to look "high speed" have concealable couplers at least.

As for the GO Transit look - the "cab car" at the end (233) can also be used as an carriage within a set. There's a 3200hp F59PH or 4000hp MP40 at the far end of those. You're only talking about 133 (F59) -150 (MP40) km/h operation there too.

DWCommuter

corktina wrote: »

streamlined in one direction and a huge flat-iron freight diesel on the front when heading back....oh dear me....

I remember bringing this up with B Kenny. He laughed as he said that the DVT end would be always facing Dublin in order to look good in Heuston while the big locomotive at the other end wouldn't be very noticeable in Cork due to the layout. So you can see how these characters in IE head office think.:rolleyes:

Mailman

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That looks like it's designed to **** you up when it runs you down:pac:

that reminds me of the "man from atlantis" submarine but you'd have to be fairly superannuated to remember than TV show.

DWCommuter

Mailman wrote: »

that reminds me of the "man from atlantis" submarine but you'd have to be fairly superannuated to remember than TV show.

Nice!

Although I think whoever designed that train may have been experiencing a Flash Gordon moment as it resembles the production design of the 1930s serials.

flash_gordon_conquers_the_universe_PDVD_00701.jpg

Check out the helmet and spaceship for comparisons.

flash_gordon_conquers_the_universe_PDVD_00501.jpg

dowlingm

DWCommuter wrote: »

I remember bringing this up with B Kenny. He laughed as he said that the DVT end would be always facing Dublin in order to look good in Heuston while the big locomotive at the other end wouldn't be very noticeable in Cork due to the layout. So you can see how these characters in IE head office think.:rolleyes:

I would have thought a more practical explanation would be that that pulling would be a more favourable mode than pushing out of Cork towards Mallow, given the grades involved.

Judgement Day

dowlingm wrote: »

I would have thought a more practical explanation would be that that pulling would be a more favourable mode than pushing out of Cork towards Mallow, given the grades involved.

You don't seriously expect a twit like Barry Kenny to know something like that?

Carawaystick

the AVE trans are fugly but go at 300km/h and if they're more than 5 minutes or 300 seconds late you get your money back. how about that kind of punctuality barry kenny?

corktina

dowlingm wrote: »

I would have thought a more practical explanation would be that that pulling would be a more favourable mode than pushing out of Cork towards Mallow, given the grades involved.

pushing or pulling doesnt make any difference kineticly as the loco and carriages are all tight coupled. The reason why you have the loco at the country end is that Heuston has an overall roof and the fumey end of the train stays at the open air end or nearly so....and that also is the noisy end....

Captain Chaos

Also it's far easier to change loco's with the DVT at the Huston end. The loco can be released and swaped with another at Inchicore without the whole train having to be shunted to another platform to release the loco. Like wise at Cork, the loco can be quickly swapped with another from Cork shed without a run around.

It was the same deal with the Mk3 push pull trains.