some advice

Br4tPr1nc3

i wanna ask you guys,
and get a second opinion.

how do you think this rig would perform,
it will be for the likes of modern warfare 2, and cod 4 on full graphics.

Antec 900 Nine Hundred - Gaming Case with 200mm Top Fan - No PSU 118268 106 in stock £77.99 £67.81 £77.99 £67.81

XFX HD 4890 870M 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card 177264 74 in stock £146.50 £127.39 £146.50 £127.39

Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM 143288 495 in stock £57.99 £50.42 £57.99 £50.42

Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 XMS3 i5 Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-24) 1.65V 173122 62 in stock £89.27 £77.62 £89.27 £77.62

Asus P7P55 LX P55 Socket 1156 8 Channel Audio Out ATX Motherboard 176820 40 in stock £96.46 £83.87 £96.46 £83.87

OCZ Stealth XStream 700W PSU - 120mm Fan, 4x 12V Rails 152506 26 in stock £77.93 £67.76 £77.93 £67.76

Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz Socket LGA1156 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor 172755 203 in stock £146.62 £127.49 £146.62

total price will be ~775 euro.

which of these fans would be best?
if i was to decide to over clock it.
http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Cooling-Fans/subcat/Cooling-Fans

Leman_Russ

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

i wanna ask you guys,
and get a second opinion.

Very glad you did!

Antec 900 Nine Hundred - Gaming Case with 200mm Top Fan - No PSU 118268 106 in stock £77.99 £67.81 £77.99 £67.81

-Eyetwitch- The Antec 900 is an awful case. Like, just terribad.

XFX HD 4890 870M 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card 177264 74 in stock £146.50 £127.39 £146.50 £127.39

Eh, alright I suppose, but it's outdated tech. Get a 5850 if you can.

Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM 143288 495 in stock £57.99 £50.42 £57.99 £50.42

Change this for a Samsung F3

Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 XMS3 i5 Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-24) 1.65V 173122 62 in stock £89.27 £77.62 £89.27 £77.62

You seriously do not need to buy this. Get a nice 4GB set of Kingston Valueram. There will be no noticeable difference.
Also, that ram is 1.65 volts. This will make your CPU assplode with assplodyness! Not really, but you need 1.5v ram for the P55 chipset.

Asus P7P55 LX P55 Socket 1156 8 Channel Audio Out ATX Motherboard 176820 40 in stock £96.46 £83.87 £96.46 £83.87

Asus are actually making pretty poor P55 boards tbfh. Go with MSI or Gigabyte.

OCZ Stealth XStream 700W PSU - 120mm Fan, 4x 12V Rails 152506 26 in stock £77.93 £67.76 £77.93 £67.76

Totaly the wrong PSU :P 4 Rails is terrible (and more than likely it's actually 2 rails). Also 700W is too much anyway. Get a Corsair HX650 modular PSU.

Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz Socket LGA1156 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor 172755 203 in stock £146.62 £127.49 £146.62

Ding Ding we have a winner This is the best Price/Performance CPU around atm.

which of these fans would be best?
if i was to decide to over clock it.
http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Cooling-Fans/subcat/Cooling-Fans

I use a Xigmatek Thor's Hammer with two 1900 RPM Kaze Slipstreams on it and I have it at 4GHz stable. But that's a bit overkill :P A Xigmatek Dark Knight will be fine (although you may have to buy the 1156 backplate from ebay separately)

Br4tPr1nc3

thanks for the reply mate.
dont suppose you know if ebuyer deliver to ireland?

AlmightyCushion

I have the antec 900 and I find it a great case. If they had worked in better cable management it would be perfect but even still it's a class case. I don't know why leman hates it so much.

leninbenjamin

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Asus are actually making pretty poor P55 boards tbfh. Go with MSI or Gigabyte

Um, maybe I'm raving, but I've been hearing much better things about the Asus p55 boards than the MSI in particular.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I have the antec 900 and I find it a great case. If they had worked in better cable management it would be perfect but even still it's a class case. I don't know why leman hates it so much.

It's noisy.

Also, when you've owned a case with good cable management features you never ever want to touch something like the 900.

Solitaire

AFAIK only Gigabyte do good P55 mobos (oh, the irony!). Most others have dodgy CPU sockets which can detonate both CPU and mobo. Newer MSIs will have better sockets but don't trust current stock. Asus claimed the problem was due to OCing which it condemns as an act of ultimate evil and no, it wouldn't honour any warranties. At which point some CPUs died at stock due to same sockets. Epic fail :P

Do stay away from OCZ PSUs though

And AFAIK P55 can take DDR3 up to 1.65V.

Br4tPr1nc3

Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz Socket LGA1156 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor 172755 203 in stock £146.62 £127.49 £146.62 £127.49

Sapphire HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI, HDMI Display Port PCI-E Graphics Card 175985 62 in stock £130.61 £113.57 £130.61 £113.57

Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM 173804 1877 in stock £57.99 £50.42 £57.99 £50.42

Gigabyte GA-P55-US3L P55 Socket 1156 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard 174499 5 in stock £93.96 £81.70 £93.96 £81.70

Kingston 1GB DDR3 1066MHz i5 Memory Module CL7 1.5V 128491 6 in stock £19.99 £17.38 £79.95 £69.52

Corsair 650W HX Modular PSU 173104 65 in stock £89.96 £78.22 £89.96 £78.22

Aplus Twin Engine Case - Front 250mm Blue LED Fan Side 250mm Fan - No PSU

hows this update?


they dont have the 5870 on the ebuyer site.

Solitaire

What about any HD5850 stock? 5870 is still very pricey anyway.

HD4890 >>> HD5770. Its worth the extra money. HD5770 is the new meaning of the word "lacklustre" :P

Br4tPr1nc3

nope,
the only 5000 series they have is the 5770 and 5750
so i should go with the 4890 then?

Br4tPr1nc3

which is better.
the gtx260
or the hd 4890

Leman_Russ

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

thanks for the reply mate.
dont suppose you know if ebuyer deliver to ireland?

They do. I buy everything from them Takes between 2-5 days to arrive Registration is a little fiddly though, you have to put in a fake Phone Number (it's not needed anyway) and put REP 123 or REP IRE for your postcode. So long as you do that, everything is golden.

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

nope,
the only 5000 series they have is the 5770 and 5750
so i should go with the 4890 then?

Your best bet is to order everything except the 5850 from ebuyer and pick up a 5850 from Peats in Dublin. Prices are acceptable there, insofar that any hardware you find in Ireland is "acceptable" compared to UK prices :P

As for the nVidia vs ATi, lets just say if the nVidia card was being given away free with hookers and blow, I'd still get the ATi. :pac::pac:

Leman_Russ

Solitaire wrote: »

And AFAIK P55 can take DDR3 up to 1.65V.

That's the LGA1366 X58 chipset iirc. I think LGA1156 P55 is rated for 1.5v DDR3. Running the ram at 1.65 wont do any real damage, but after all, Intel says to use 1.5 Ram for a reason, so you might as well get ram that is rated for 1.5v. Less volts is always better anyway

Effluo

Aplus Twin Engine Case
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123912#

What the heck is that thing?!!!

But seriously Lemon I know it's late, but calm down the negatory comments on the Antec Cases, They are really solid, strong well made cases, with in fairness a few faults but they are certainly not "terribad"! Especially good cases if you move around a lot and their relatively small which may suit some people.


I don't think the p55 is the best price to performance cpu right now when you factor in the cost of the mobo too. For a gaming rig AMD still come out on top, their quads will still last for years to come performing with games.

Also the 4890 is not outdated, there are no games that use dx11 yet and dx11 cards are definitely not cost effective right now either.

650watt corsair (and modular for some reason) is overkill for this build unless the op wants to go xfire, it's too much.
You go on about no cable management in the Antec then you don't want to have cables on the psu. Sure there's a certain coolness to having a modular psu, but there's no extra functionality to them(if there's cable management in the pc.). Even in my Antec 300 it wouldn't make any significant(if any at all) difference as there's a place to put all the cables you're not using.


OP what resolution is the screen that you'll be play these games on?
Also will you be doing anything else on this pc at all other than gaming?

The 5770 is not very good, especially for it's price.
Someone might tell you a bit more about the ram you chose seems odd to me ddr3 but only 1066mhz?

I did this(the attachment) up here for you, it's a more cost effective option with what is a very nice case with great cable management(although the case should be buyers preference). Cannot get over the value of the psu.

Both would play games very well for a long time to come.

plz answer the few questions though as they are important

Just realised i forgot to add in a hard-drive woop woop

Also yes you can get stuff delivered from ebuyer, you have to go through google checkout though postcode "REP 123"

MY gosh we're all up very late tonight!!!

Br4tPr1nc3

ive got a 32" here,
and its max resolution on the rig i have here, is 1600 x 1200
so if the computer can handle that resolution, then ill use it.
but for fps games ill prob use a lower resolution.

i wont be doin much else,
i use my laptop for downloading, and if im lazy watch videos on it.
but i will watch a few videos the rig, but im not fussy about the whole hd stuff.
i just watch whatever lol.

but it is mainly for games.

how much would the 5850 be in peats?
they're fairly expensive on komplett.
and i dont really wana go too far over 800, maybe 850 plus p&p.

Leman_Russ

Effluo wrote: »

Also yes you can get stuff delivered from ebuyer, you have to go through google checkout

I've never needed to use Google Checkout.

Venom

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

how much would the 5850 be in peats?
they're fairly expensive on komplett.
and i dont really wana go too far over 800, maybe 850 plus p&p.

The 5850 is €239 in Peats which is alot cheaper than komplett lol. Problem is Peats are only getting in 2-3 a week as supplies are damm rare

Leman_Russ

Venom wrote: »

The 5850 is €239 in Peats which is alot cheaper than komplett lol. Problem is Peats are only getting in 2-3 a week as supplies are damm rare

Well done Sherlock :P Supply is rare because Demand is sky high, and the manufacturers know it and want to milk the hype as much as they can. The 5850 is just unbelievably insane and there are no shortage of nerds clamouring to get it. It is so good that even non-nerds want it! The 57xx are in great supply because no-one with half a clue is buying one, likewise for the 5870, which is only bought by people who wipe their arses with €50 toilet paper.

leninbenjamin

Solitaire wrote: »

AFAIK only Gigabyte do good P55 mobos (oh, the irony!). Most others have dodgy CPU sockets which can detonate both CPU and mobo. Newer MSIs will have better sockets but don't trust current stock. Asus claimed the problem was due to OCing which it condemns as an act of ultimate evil and no, it wouldn't honour any warranties. At which point some CPUs died at stock due to same sockets. Epic fail :P

Do stay away from OCZ PSUs though

And AFAIK P55 can take DDR3 up to 1.65V.

Gigabytes have the dodgy Foxconn sockets too. AFAIK only a few EVGA boards don't have them.

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

which is better.
the gtx260
or the hd 4890

4890.

Effluo

Hold on a sec... 1600x1200 max resolution?

This sounds pretty suspect to me, Google the exact name of you monitor and see what comes up for it's max resolution. Don't dare go over a 4890(this is a good card for hd and beyond) if all you want is to game at that res, as it's actually not a very high one!

The 5850 would be complete overkill and really a waste of money too(considering their prices are going up due to demand), unless of course you want to have more than 2 screen.

Venom

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Gigabytes have the dodgy Foxconn sockets too. AFAIK only a few EVGA boards don't have them.

Both Gigabyte and DFI have stopped using Foxconn sockets in there motherboards but probably best waiting for Revision 2 boards just to make sure you dont end up with a Foxconn socket. Asus are cnuts who can go **** themselves tho.

leninbenjamin

Venom wrote: »

Both Gigabyte and DFI have stopped using Foxconn sockets in there motherboards but probably best waiting for Revision 2 boards just to make sure you dont end up with a Foxconn socket. Asus are cnuts who can go **** themselves tho.

I'm pretty sure most of the boards you'd come across in retailers today from Gigabyte and DFI would still be the Foxconn stock, but the main thing is there's typically no way of telling. They stopped using them in the manufacturing, yeah, but there was no suggestion of a recall so the unsold stock is out there still.

What's the story with Asus? are they still using Foxconn? I thought they had stopped along with the others.

Venom

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I'm pretty sure most of the boards you'd come across in retailers today from Gigabyte and DFI would still be the Foxconn stock, but the main thing is there's typically no way of telling. They stopped using them in the manufacturing, yeah, but there was no suggestion of a recall so the unsold stock is out there still.

What's the story with Asus? are they still using Foxconn? I thought they had stopped along with the others.

Yeah thats why its best waiting on rev2 versions of the mobo your after just to be sure.

When Gigabyte and DFI both stated they had become aware of the Foxconn socket issue and would no longer be using those sockets, Asus just said they didnt support overclocking which is complete bull**** considering how the company markets its products.

Leman_Russ

I still don't get why people are crying about this. Unless you are overclocking it to 5GHz, it is not an issue.

And if you are overclocking to 5GHz, the CPU isn't gona survive no matter what socket you use.

Venom

Leman_Russ wrote: »

I still don't get why people are crying about this. Unless you are overclocking it to 5GHz, it is not an issue.

And if you are overclocking to 5GHz, the CPU isn't gona survive no matter what socket you use.

People are crying over this due to the very simple fact non overclocked system's using foxconn sockets are blowing as well.

Leman_Russ

Venom wrote: »

People are crying over this due to the very simple fact non overclocked system's using foxconn sockets are blowing as well.

Can you link me some, because I have not heard one single thing about that happening.

Carne

Leman_Russ wrote: »

I've never needed to use Google Checkout.

If you don't mind me asking, how do you pay for your stuff?

leninbenjamin

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Can you link me some, because I have not heard one single thing about that happening.

I found this

Supposed to be some on this thread in extreme systems too although i haven't been bothered to read it all to see.

Leman_Russ

Carne wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking, how do you pay for your stuff?

Through the normal checkout with a 3v pre-paid visa card

Carne

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Through the normal checkout with a 3v pre-paid visa card

I thought they accepted UK credit cards only?

Anti

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Well done Sherlock :P Supply is rare because Demand is sky high, and the manufacturers know it and want to milk the hype as much as they can. The 5850 is just unbelievably insane and there are no shortage of nerds clamouring to get it. It is so good that even non-nerds want it! The 57xx are in great supply because no-one with half a clue is buying one, likewise for the 5870, which is only bought by people who wipe their arses with €50 toilet paper.

Guess i shouldn't mention i bought a second one

Farcear

Anti wrote: »

Guess i shouldn't mention i bought a second one

What sort of frame rates are you getting with that setup???

Leman_Russ

Carne wrote: »

I thought they accepted UK credit cards only?

Well, that is not true, as I have used the 3v visa multiple times.

And Anti, do me a favour and test out your 5850s in a 16x/4x crossfire config for me.

Pretty please with sugar on top? And a bagel!

Br4tPr1nc3

hey guys.
ive ordered my rig.
i went with the 4890.
if theres games out down the line that can use dx11 ill get a 5850.
thanks for the help.
really appreciate it!