Swine flu vaccine - Go Poland

SLUSK

Poland refuses to buy any swine flu vaccine until it has been properly tested and the corporations behind this vaccines are wiling to accept liability for any damage it might cause.
http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/live/article/361921--polish-pm-poland-not-buying-swine-flu-vaccination-unless-it-has-been-properly-tested

Isn't it funny that the most sane policies in this issue seems to come from an eastern european country with a "dodgy" reputation?

mike65

Anyone know how many sick people in Poland have been killed by not having it so far?

SLUSK

According to this report from the ECDC there is no offical data available from Poland.
http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/Documents/091106_Influenza_AH1N1_Situation_Report_0900hrs.pdf

mike65

Hmmm trustworthy bunch then.

Scofflaw

This isn't politics, this is "I believe vaccines are incredibly dangerous even though there's no actual evidence" tinfoil hattery. Moving to CT.

moderately,
Scofflaw

syklops

SLUSK wrote: »

Isn't it funny that the most sane policies in this issue seems to come from an eastern european country with a "dodgy" reputation?

What dodgy reputation?

Run_to_da_hills

You could be damn sure that when Lisbon is fully implemented Poland and any other EU country will not have a choice on the matter if they decide to hold back on a dodgy vaccine if the EU Parliament decides to go ahead with them. And it will get worse, their roll out will become manditory.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You could be damn sure that when Lisbon is fully implemented Poland and any other EU country will not have a choice on the matter if they decide to hold back on a dodgy vaccine if the EU Parliament decides to go ahead with them. And it will get worse, their roll out will become manditory.

Which part of the Lisbon treaty allows the EU to have mandatory vaccinations exactly?

Cause I don't think there is a part that allows it.

I love it, now we have two sets of nonsense in the same thread.
Nonexistant powers of the Lisbon treaty and nonexistant dangers of vaccines.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Which part of the Lisbon treaty allows the EU to have mandatory vaccinations exactly?

Every part of it, If an unanimous decision is made on certain issue at EU Parliament it will over rule any decision made by minority states. You should know this already. :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Every part of it, If an unanimous decision is made on any issue at EU Parliament it will over rule any decision made by a minority state. You should know this already. :rolleyes:

Yea that's called democracy.

But which part allows them to vote in mandatory vaccinations?

I ask but I know full well there is nothing in the Lisbon treaty that allows them.
And even if it was there I doubt you'd be able to point it out because I still doubt you've not actually read the thing.

Seriously you're just making this stuff up.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Yea that's called democracy.

But which part allows them to vote in mandatory vaccinations?

I ask but I know full well there is nothing in the Lisbon treaty that allows them.
And even if it was there I doubt you'd be able to point it out because I still doubt you've not actually read the thing.

Seriously you're just making this stuff up.

Can you point out any clause in the Lisbon Treaty that assures us that they can't possibly make laws and amendments that could roll out mandatory vaccinations for EU citizens in future?

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Can you point out any clause in the Lisbon Treaty that assures us that they can't possibly make laws and amendments that could roll out mandatory vaccinations for EU citizens in future?

No.
But I can't show a section that assures us that they can't possibly make laws and amendments that could roll out mandatory moon mining service either.
So therefore they must be planing to send us to the mines on the moon right?

Rdth, you made the claim that the Lisbon treaty allowed the EU to enforce mandatory vaccinations.
Can you back this up or is it another one of your fictions?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

No.
But I can't show a section that assures us that they can't possibly make laws and amendments that could roll out mandatory moon mining service either.
So therefore they must be planing to send us to the mines on the moon right?

I am sure the US and Soviet parties would not be too content if the EU decided to open up mining on the moon, it would also have to be economically practical to do such. :rolleyes:

King Mob wrote: »

Rdth, you made the claim that the Lisbon treaty allowed the EU to enforce mandatory vaccinations.
Can you back this up or is it another one of your fictions?

What fictions? Anything I have mentioned so far has had a link reference to back up my statement. :rolleyes:

If something is considered by the EU Parliament for the "safety" or the "protection" of the population of European community I am sure we could expect any measure rolled out. Whether its smartcards, in car tracking devices, bugging your mobile phone and storing your emails, protecting us with vaccines etc.

We already have Smartcard ID being discussed to protect us from terrorists, Indect tracking to monitor the movements of dissidents.

Nothing surprises me and you have not answered my question. Is there anything in Lisbon that states that we can be protected from any measures such as mandatory vaccination if the EU Parliament decides.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am sure the US and Soviet parties would not be too content if the EU decided to open up mining on the moon, it would also have to be economically practical to do such. :rolleyes:

But you see I'm making that up.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What fictions? Anything I have mentioned so far has had a link reference to back up my statement. :rolleyes:

You said:

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You could be damn sure that when Lisbon is fully implemented Poland and any other EU country will not have a choice on the matter if they decide to hold back on a dodgy vaccine if the EU Parliament decides to go ahead with them. And it will get worse, their roll out will become manditory.

You have not show anything to support this.

What part of the Lisbon Treaty allows them to enforce mandatory vaccinations.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Nothing surprises me and you have not answered my question. Is there anything in Lisbon that states that we can be protected from any measures such as mandatory vaccination if the EU Parliament decides.

I have answered that question.

But since you have no issue about making unsupported claims about the Lisbon treaty, I'm going to say yes there is a section in the Lisbon treaty that protects us from such measures.

bonkey

There's no conspiracy theory being discussed here.

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