Tackling Crime

Staff Sergeant

Hi all,

Gardai in Ireland have a hugely difficult job to do. Some may not agree with this statement, but I believe that while crime grows and developes and methods used by criminals improve, I would suggest that regular members of An Garda Siochana may not have the ability to deal with evolving crime, ie tiger kidnappings, drug importation, gang feuding. This puts the majority of Gardai, the regular members, at a disadvantage when you consider that these regular members are the first responders the majority of the time.

Some might say that there are Specialised units in An Garda Siochana equiped to deal with more serious crime, this is true, but regular members of the force attend to all calls and reports of crime regardless of the nature of the call.

Yes Gardai have now been issued with Pepper Spray, but how does this measure up to how Crime is growing.

What do you think? Is the See Saw fairly weighted?

Thanks for your time....

pirelli

I think this thread might be more suited to the emergency services.

Ireland has a relatively small population and is quite a small country. However in comparison just across the Irish sea is Great Britain which has the capacity in place to deal with a large population and this results in better technology and better CCTV distribution and police response time.


Irelands weakness is in rural areas where there is no real surveillance and poor infrastructure although if the gardai wanted i am sure they could work out a strategy. The gangs had a huge success with raids on armored vehicles and they are now still enjoying relative success on ATM raids and tiger kidnappings.


Dublin is a densely populated area, and there are Garda cameras but a proportion of them are not working at any given time. As an example the camera on dame street was broken in 2007 and i bet its still broken.These gangs could have been caught alot sooner.Personally i think the gardai are not improving, the main problem is that they are allowed to continue to be a poorly performing force and this attitude becomes acceptable and this is a negative outcome in general.

Gardai desk manners are as many might know are really bad, despite this being an issues since 1999 they have improved only meagerly. I am happy to see the new promise pledges and human rights you can see in the garda stations however there remains gardai whom are very poor at records and managing data and clerical work.I think you will find that the gardai create more token prosecutions from shoddy performance running stations than proper police work. Even if we threw money at these goons with the best technology they would mess it up.


In saying all of that, I have noticed that there is a gender issue in the gardai with female officers far more competent than the male counterpart. A ban garda will usually follow up and close out a crime and always completes paperwork efficently. The male mulla by comparison is reliably incompetent and dreadful at paperwork dealing with members of the public and following up on complaints. If they are ever competent it is because they are gay.

What ever the criteria is in the recruitment process should be radically changed to get more competent officers or indeed i might be wrong and its true what the Gardai say , that the damn computer just doesn't work properly an its the same all over the country.

Reloc8

I'm not sure what you're asking.

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Hi all,

Gardai in Ireland have a hugely difficult job to do. Some may not agree with this statement, but I believe that while crime grows and developes and methods used by criminals improve, I would suggest that regular members of An Garda Siochana may not have the ability to deal with evolving crime, ie tiger kidnappings, drug importation, gang feuding. This puts the majority of Gardai, the regular members, at a disadvantage when you consider that these regular members are the first responders the majority of the time.

In fact in respect of tiger kidnappings and drug importation it is pretty unlikely that a 'regular member' as such will be the first respondent. They are much more likely to be involved detection & prevention of more common crimes aside from those relatively rarer situations which develop right in front of them so to speak. Tiger kidnappings, as has begun to be somewhat widely known, have a specific set of protocols for the garda reaction (I am not commenting on their adequacy or whether they are correct - I'm not an expert). Where drug importation is detected, it is again a more specialised team of garda which react.

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Some might say that there are Specialised units in An Garda Siochana
equiped to deal with more serious crime, this is true, but regular members of the force attend to all calls and reports of crime regardless of the nature of the call.

This is indeed true - the vast majority of crime is confronted by what you are calling 'regular members'. But not generally those you are very specifically trying to highlight above.

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Yes Gardai have now been issued with Pepper Spray, but how does this measure up to how Crime is growing.

What do you think? Is the See Saw fairly weighted?

Thanks for your time....

Is what you are really asking whether all Gardai should be issued with firearms ?

Tipsy Mac

Problem is even if we had twice the police force it's absolutely useless unless you have prisons to hold criminals in which at the moment we don't have enough space and are releasing dangerous criminals early.

I'd imagine for Gardai it's fairly demoralising to catch a criminal and see them released early due to lack of prison space.

Reloc8

Equally in respect of the type of crime which affects most people, irrespective of the size of the force, its the number of well-trained and skillful gardai out on the streets which will have the most effect, in all of preventing, detecting and prosecuting crime, and also in helping people through the aftermath.

I have huge respect and admiration for the majority of gardai which I have met, and I know I would find it difficult to impossible to do their jobs.

the locust

Reloc8 wrote: »

it is pretty unlikely that a 'regular member' as such will be the first respondent.
This is indeed true - the vast majority of crime is confronted by what you are calling 'regular members'. But not generally those you are very specifically trying to highlight above.

I agree with you in part but disagree with the above. Regular members are nearly always the first there, unless its an ambush/sting type operation

If a robbery, kidnapping or whatever happens the injured party will ring the local garda station who will immediately dispatch these local regular members who are likely nearby - whilst other national units who are working on something else are made aware and when they get there take over. I agree with the OP that regulars 95% of the time will be first at scene.
But what is the OP's question?

Reloc8

the locust wrote: »

I agree with you in part but disagree with the above. Regular members are nearly always the first there, unless its an ambush/sting type operation

If a robbery, kidnapping or whatever happens the injured party will ring the local garda station who will immediately dispatch these local regular members who are likely nearby - whilst other national units who are working on something else are made aware and when they get there take over. I agree with the OP that regulars 95% of the time will be first at scene.
But what is the OP's question?

Yep I was asking that myself lol.

What I was getting at was that he particularly mentioned tiger kidnapping and drugs importation - now in those situations its not going to be the local gardai who are called on to intervene first (actually in case of drugs importation involving a mule at e.g. the airport it might be but I think he's more getting at a situation involving a controlled delivery which may or may not be at a port and is more likely to have involved serious and/or armed criminals present or near scene).

Robberies, assaults, you-name-its - that's certainly going to be the nearest man or woman in blue who's available to get there.

TheNog

pirelli wrote: »

I think this thread might be more suited to the emergency services.

Ireland has a relatively small population and is quite a small country. However in comparison just across the Irish sea is Great Britain which has the capacity in place to deal with a large population and this results in better technology and better CCTV distribution and police response time.


Irelands weakness is in rural areas where there is no real surveillance and poor infrastructure although if the gardai wanted i am sure they could work out a strategy. The gangs had a huge success with raids on armored vehicles and they are now still enjoying relative success on ATM raids and tiger kidnappings.


Dublin is a densely populated area, and there are Garda cameras but a proportion of them are not working at any given time. As an example the camera on dame street was broken in 2007 and i bet its still broken.These gangs could have been caught alot sooner.Personally i think the gardai are not improving, the main problem is that they are allowed to continue to be a poorly performing force and this attitude becomes acceptable and this is a negative outcome in general.

Gardai desk manners are as many might know are really bad, despite this being an issues since 1999 they have improved only meagerly. I am happy to see the new promise pledges and human rights you can see in the garda stations however there remains gardai whom are very poor at records and managing data and clerical work.I think you will find that the gardai create more token prosecutions from shoddy performance running stations than proper police work. Even if we threw money at these goons with the best technology they would mess it up.


In saying all of that, I have noticed that there is a gender issue in the gardai with female officers far more competent than the male counterpart. A ban garda will usually follow up and close out a crime and always completes paperwork efficently. The male mulla by comparison is reliably incompetent and dreadful at paperwork dealing with members of the public and following up on complaints. If they are ever competent it is because they are gay.

What ever the criteria is in the recruitment process should be radically changed to get more competent officers or indeed i might be wrong and its true what the Gardai say , that the damn computer just doesn't work properly an its the same all over the country.

You could have just written "I hate Gardai". Much quicker and more efficient use of your time.

McCrack

TheNog wrote: »

You could have just written "I hate Gardai". Much quicker and more efficient use of your time.

I agree. The gender and sexuality bit about clerical efficiency is pure nonsence.

The whole piece is a complete generalisation.

To address the OP I'm not sure what the Q is but is crime actually on the up on the last couple years? The Garda's annual report and CSO figures will tell you this.

Hooch

McCrack wrote: »

I agree. The gender and sexuality bit about clerical efficiency is pure nonsence.

The whole piece is a complete generalisation.

To address the OP I'm not sure what the Q is but is crime actually on the up on the last couple years? The Garda's annual report and CSO figures will tell you this.

To be fair I think we can all agree to take the CSO figures with a pinch of salt!!:D

O/P can you rephrase the question for us??

If its in relation to the protective equipment issued I think we have enough now. We have the ASP which we recieved in 2007.....a big step for AGS to go away from the old wooden baton. We now have O/C spray.....a bloody leap for AGS in the right direction.

The RSU units being deployed means we now have armed support as close as possible without carrying ourselfs. They also have tazer capability.

My opinion is we dont need every member to have firearms. In fact im totally against it....TOTALLY!!! Im also against Tazer being carried by every member but I am in favor of we'll say one person per unit per district carrying one while working. Have everyone Tazer trained and rotate the carrying of it. Maybe issued them to specialised units like detective branch and maybe same idea of rotation for Traffic units.

I think the above is what your asking but not sure....and not sure its in the right forum. Hope this helps

Staff Sergeant

If a robbery, kidnapping or whatever happens the injured party will ring the local garda station who will immediately dispatch these local regular members who are likely nearby - whilst other national units who are working on something else are made aware and when they get there take over. I agree with the OP that regulars 95% of the time will be first at scene.
But what is the OP's question?[/quote]


Thanks for the interest so far. I purposely left my post vague, hoping to get different opinions based on what the reader took from the post.

(1) In essence I would like to know if the public have confidence in An Garda Siochana as it is today. Considering the public perception of rise or fall in crime.

(2) How can we improve An Garda Siochana, if there is a lack of confidence or support.

I was also trying to find out if people responding to the post had an understanding of policing in ireland, informed or uninformed opinion.

Staff Sergeant

nice guy always wrote: »

To be fair I think we can all agree to take the CSO figures with a pinch of salt!!:D

O/P can you rephrase the question for us??

If its in relation to the protective equipment issued I think we have enough now. We have the ASP which we recieved in 2007.....a big step for AGS to go away from the old wooden baton. We now have O/C spray.....a bloody leap for AGS in the right direction.

The RSU units being deployed means we now have armed support as close as possible without carrying ourselfs. They also have tazer capability.

My opinion is we dont need every member to have firearms. In fact im totally against it....TOTALLY!!! Im also against Tazer being carried by every member but I am in favor of we'll say one person per unit per district carrying one while working. Have everyone Tazer trained and rotate the carrying of it. Maybe issued them to specialised units like detective branch and maybe same idea of rotation for Traffic units.

I think the above is what your asking but not sure....and not sure its in the right forum. Hope this helps

Thanks for your reply, hopfully we may never see the day every member is armed.

Should we have RSU (regional support unit) in Dublin?

Staff Sergeant

pirelli wrote: »

I think this thread might be more suited to the emergency services.

Ireland has a relatively small population and is quite a small country. However in comparison just across the Irish sea is Great Britain which has the capacity in place to deal with a large population and this results in better technology and better CCTV distribution and police response time.


Irelands weakness is in rural areas where there is no real surveillance and poor infrastructure although if the gardai wanted i am sure they could work out a strategy. The gangs had a huge success with raids on armored vehicles and they are now still enjoying relative success on ATM raids and tiger kidnappings.


Dublin is a densely populated area, and there are Garda cameras but a proportion of them are not working at any given time. As an example the camera on dame street was broken in 2007 and i bet its still broken.These gangs could have been caught alot sooner.Personally i think the gardai are not improving, the main problem is that they are allowed to continue to be a poorly performing force and this attitude becomes acceptable and this is a negative outcome in general.

Gardai desk manners are as many might know are really bad, despite this being an issues since 1999 they have improved only meagerly. I am happy to see the new promise pledges and human rights you can see in the garda stations however there remains gardai whom are very poor at records and managing data and clerical work.I think you will find that the gardai create more token prosecutions from shoddy performance running stations than proper police work. Even if we threw money at these goons with the best technology they would mess it up.


In saying all of that, I have noticed that there is a gender issue in the gardai with female officers far more competent than the male counterpart. A ban garda will usually follow up and close out a crime and always completes paperwork efficently. The male mulla by comparison is reliably incompetent and dreadful at paperwork dealing with members of the public and following up on complaints. If they are ever competent it is because they are gay.

What ever the criteria is in the recruitment process should be radically changed to get more competent officers or indeed i might be wrong and its true what the Gardai say , that the damn computer just doesn't work properly an its the same all over the country.

Very surprised and disappointed by this ill informed and abusive reply.

Staff Sergeant

McCrack wrote: »

I agree. The gender and sexuality bit about clerical efficiency is pure nonsence.

The whole piece is a complete generalisation.

To address the OP I'm not sure what the Q is but is crime actually on the up on the last couple years? The Garda's annual report and CSO figures will tell you this.

Thanks for the interest so far. I purposely left my post vague, hoping to get different opinions based on what the reader took from the post.

(1) In essence I would like to know if the public have confidence in An Garda Siochana as it is today. Considering the public perception of rise or fall in crime.

(2) How can we improve An Garda Siochana, if there is a lack of confidence or support.

I was also trying to find out if people responding to the post had an understanding of policing in ireland, informed or uninformed opinion.

On An Garda Siochana's annual report and the central statistics office figures re: crime, reality may be different.

Staff Sergeant

Reloc8 wrote: »

I'm not sure what you're asking.



In fact in respect of tiger kidnappings and drug importation it is pretty unlikely that a 'regular member' as such will be the first respondent. They are much more likely to be involved detection & prevention of more common crimes aside from those relatively rarer situations which develop right in front of them so to speak. Tiger kidnappings, as has begun to be somewhat widely known, have a specific set of protocols for the garda reaction (I am not commenting on their adequacy or whether they are correct - I'm not an expert). Where drug importation is detected, it is again a more specialised team of garda which react.




This is indeed true - the vast majority of crime is confronted by what you are calling 'regular members'. But not generally those you are very specifically trying to highlight above.




Is what you are really asking whether all Gardai should be issued with firearms ?

Thanks for your reply. I will disagree with your reply, in that, when it comes down to the Tiger Kidnappings etc.. Regular uniform members are as likely to be involved or to come accross such a crime, as it occurrs. This is always an extremely dangerous situation. First reports of crime are nearly always made to a uniform member in a garda station, who passes the report on to a uniform car or any available units. A uniform car will respond if it is free.

What members of the public will see, is the aftermath in the media, and at that stage An Garda Siochana has had time to organise and to get the correct Gardai in place to appropriately deal with the crime. When a serious crime is detected and arrests are made, detectives will investigate and bring to court. This is what the public see in the papers and on the news.

Again thanks for your reply, I hope i cleared up what I was asking in the initial post, in earlier replys.

RoddyDennis

To echo a comment made earlier about it being demoralising for a Garda to watch a criminal being put back out onto the streets after only a short period of time, I would like to add my own two cents.

Staff Sergeant, I don't think it's so much a lack of confidence in the Gardai themselves that the general law abiding public would have, but the judicial system. I have had only one run in with the law in my entire life, and thankfully I wasn't convicted. Now I know this is going to sound quite hypocritical of me given that I got away with a slap on the wrist, but also take into account that I had not broken the law before or since. But my point is this, how can the Gardai fight crime effectively when their hands are tied by a very lenient judicial system?

Whitewater-AGS

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. I will disagree with your reply, in that, when it comes down to the Tiger Kidnappings etc.. Regular uniform members are as likely to be involved or to come accross such a crime, as it occurrs. This is always an extremely dangerous situation. First reports of crime are nearly always made to a uniform member in a garda station, who passes the report on to a uniform car or any available units. A uniform car will respond if it is free.

What members of the public will see, is the aftermath in the media, and at that stage An Garda Siochana has had time to organise and to get the correct Gardai in place to appropriately deal with the crime. When a serious crime is detected and arrests are made, detectives will investigate and bring to court. This is what the public see in the papers and on the news.

Again thanks for your reply, I hope i cleared up what I was asking in the initial post, in earlier replys.

And You'll find that every member here will disagree with you.
Regular uniform members as far less likey to respond to tiger kidnappings ect never mind take a report of one and first reports of crime are almost always to 999/112 and not local stations unless said crime is being reported in person which does not happen all that often.

I mean do you honestly think that when a tiger kidnapping is reported that uniform members will rush to the bank and employee's home????

Staff Sergeant

Whitewater-AGS wrote: »

And You'll find that every member here will disagree with you.
Regular uniform members as far less likey to respond to tiger kidnappings ect never mind take a report of one and first reports of crime are almost always to 999/112 and not local stations unless said crime is being reported in person which does not happen all that often.

I mean do you honestly think that when a tiger kidnapping is reported that uniform members will rush to the bank and employee's home????

I accept your point whitewater. Tigerkidnappings was mentioned but it's a poor example used by me. There is a better structure now to deal with Tigerkidnappings specifcally.

I am highlighting serious crime in general. Gun crime motivated by Gang feuding and drugs. I don't want to go to far of point, but if someone calls 999/112, gardai are still dispatched to the incident. This discussion is not just about Tigerkidnappings just because it was mentioned as an example by me, I'm just looking for views on An Garda Siochana as it is today, and modern crime.

Thanks for your response.

pirelli

TheNog wrote: »

You could have just written "I hate Gardai". Much quicker and more efficient use of your time.

I don't hate the gardai, I dislike the mixture of solicitors and gardai that generate toxic costs to my income. If the state solicitor make a mistake in paperwork it might result in citizen dealing with a garda. Then it escalated from there into more blunders ( non recorded productions, bad summons etc) and ends up at a solicitors. This becomes part of the solicitors livelihood and takes up the majority of court time and states costs and also Garda time.

So in this respect the gardai congest the court system so much that its unfair for them to point the finger and say the courts let criminals walk free.

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Thanks for the interest so far. I purposely left my post vague, hoping to get different opinions based on what the reader took from the post.

(1) In essence I would like to know if the public have confidence in An Garda Siochana as it is today. Considering the public perception of rise or fall in crime.

(2) How can we improve An Garda Siochana, if there is a lack of confidence or support.

I was also trying to find out if people responding to the post had an understanding of policing in ireland, informed or uninformed opinion.

Im a member of the public and as you have stated you deliberately left your post vague.. I don't have confidence in the gardai and would fear for my life if they were armed. We have capital laws that protect gardai in most cases and any attempt on their life would be severely punished.

I personally don't have pepper spray or a bullet prove jacket and radio for Aerial and land cover. Many murders have been painted in the media by the gardai "as persons known to the gardai" when they are just innocents victims. The gardai also have the option of using a tazer which may or may not be applicable to ireland.

Staff:

Your coming onto a legal forum that has general mix of legal professionals which isnt generally a fair population sample. Most legal professionals hold gardai in a higher regard then the victims of crime. A portion of legal professionals make a living dealing with the gardai.

If you were to ask victims of crime and people who have to deal with gardai at the desk or as complainants and or witnesses then you might get a more general opinion. The nog hasn't given his opinion on the gardai or allowed you to assess how informed he is on the working of the garda, he can pick through as many posts as he likes it still doesn't make me less informed.
I personally dealt with the gardai after several crimes. ( I was the victim )
I gave the an honest account and my opinion . I gave my reasons.

Dismiss my opinion and seek the publics opinion from a legal forum and go home thinking your wonderful. It isn't the truth!.you will be back here next year with more horror stories brushed under that ever growing lump of a carpet.

1. Running over O'Toole in Lucan. Garda press release information he was known to the Gardai.

2. Beating the **** out of shell protesters only to have an board pleana finally agree with them.



I dont hate the garai and i dont keep a list of their crimes. In future i will keep a list of their atrocities and just copy and paste it into the next thread where a garda tries to conduct market research on a legal forum hardly the most appropriate place.


Staff S: by conducting a research into public confidence of the gardai on this forum would be like like inquiring into a forum of mortgage advisors on whether the general public have a high level of confidence in bank managers. There are rules to market research and it requires a level and standard which staff sergeant you are abusing on behalf of the gardai


Why not go to a fianna fail convention and ask them what they think of Berie Ahern, i am sure they will all love him.


P.s I don't hate Bertie Ahern either its just my opinion.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Problem is even if we had twice the police force it's absolutely useless unless you have prisons to hold criminals in which at the moment we don't have enough space and are releasing dangerous criminals early.

I'd imagine for Gardai it's fairly demoralising to catch a criminal and see them released early due to lack of prison space.

Prison space is not the only problem. Lots of other reasons as to why a criminal may be let off.

Also, with more gardai on the streets crime would drop a considerable amount. The fact that there are few gardai on the streets doesn't help deter criminals. Don't forget all the crimes being committed on a whim in a "moment of madness".

While I am not the biggest fan of the gardai, I know that they are doing an excellent job in the majority of cases.

Originally Posted by Staff Sergeant View Post
Thanks for the interest so far. I purposely left my post vague, hoping to get different opinions based on what the reader took from the post.

(1) In essence I would like to know if the public have confidence in An Garda Siochana as it is today. Considering the public perception of rise or fall in crime.

(2) How can we improve An Garda Siochana, if there is a lack of confidence or support.

I was also trying to find out if people responding to the post had an understanding of policing in ireland, informed or uninformed opinion.

1) I don't like dealing with the gardai. I have had too many bad dealings with them. The use of corporal punishment on me by a garda in the South East when I was a young lad left a chip in my tooth. Nobody should be hit by a garda in certain circumstances. I can elaborate more on this if you want.

Being told that I was never going to get a licence for a fire arm, with no underlying reason whatsoever. That wasn't by the FO either, was an older seargent (he had nothing to do with the licencing process, from what I could see). I got my licence in the end, not too long after mind you.

I find that a lot of complaints I put forward to the Gardai seem to fall on deaf ears, or, they simply cannot do anything about it. I witnessed a man beating a woman in a car while he was driving, the Garda at the end of the phone said there is nothing they can do about it. Like, what? How can they not do something about that?

I drive a lot, and witness a lot of lunatics on the road. I make complaints on a regular basis, but I will never know if those complaints will be followed through. If there was a system in place that the person who makes the complaint was informed that the Gardai were in contact with the person who was breaking the law (but didn't go into detail) it would be great, so people have confidence that something is being done about it.

I have also had quite some good experiences with the Gardai. I woke up one morning to find a Garda knocking on my BEDROOM door, our front door was open, we were all asleep and didn't hear the doorbell. I opened my bedroom door in my boxors to the Gardai who said "I think you have been robbed". I thought it was a dream. Student accomodation down in carlow, our house door wasn't locked. My flatmates computers, and another flatmates car was stolen. All was recovered within a few days. None of my stuff was touched (keep everything in my own room), but I found the Gardai to be very pleasent and informed my friends quite well.

2) From all my dealings with the Gardai, I find the majority of them to be quite ignorant. There is no sence of customer service, many do not have great skills when talking to the general public. People really do not like this. I would suggest a course, or something like it, to improve communication skills. Something simple to make Gardai aware that we are more like customers and they are providing a serivce. We all know the amount of crap you guys put up with, but when we go to a Garda station, I rather not be treated like a criminal. I am not a criminal, I have never been in trouble with the Gardai, never been arested, I am unknown to the Gardai and want to be treated well when I make a visit to your stations. It's a very basic and very essential skill to have really.

Staff Sergeant

pirelli wrote: »

I don't hate the gardai, I dislike the mixture of solicitors and gardai that generate toxic costs to my income. If the state solicitor make a mistake in paperwork it might result in citizen dealing with a garda. Then it escalated from there into more blunders ( non recorded productions, bad summons etc) and ends up at a solicitors. This becomes part of the solicitors livelihood and takes up the majority of court time and states costs and also Garda time.

So in this respect the gardai congest the court system so much that its unfair for them to point the finger and say the courts let criminals walk free.

Im a member of the public and as you have stated you deliberately left your post vague.. I don't have confidence in the gardai and would fear for my life if they were armed. We have capital laws that protect gardai in most cases and any attempt on their life would be severely punished.

I personally don't have pepper spray or a bullet prove jacket and radio for Aerial and land cover. Many murders have been painted in the media by the gardai "as persons known to the gardai" when they are just innocents victims. The gardai also have the option of using a tazer which may or may not be applicable to ireland.

Staff:

Your coming onto a legal forum that has general mix of legal professionals which isnt generally a fair population sample. Most legal professionals hold gardai in a higher regard then the victims of crime. A portion of legal professionals make a living dealing with the gardai.

If you were to ask victims of crime and people who have to deal with gardai at the desk or as complainants and or witnesses then you might get a more general opinion. The nog hasn't given his opinion on the gardai or allowed you to assess how informed he is on the working of the garda, he can pick through as many posts as he likes it still doesn't make me less informed.
I personally dealt with the gardai after several crimes. ( I was the victim )
I gave the an honest account and my opinion . I gave my reasons.

Dismiss my opinion and seek the publics opinion from a legal forum and go home thinking your wonderful. It isn't the truth!.you will be back here next year with more horror stories brushed under that ever growing lump of a carpet.

1. Running over O'Toole in Lucan. Garda press release information he was known to the Gardai.

2. Beating the **** out of shell protesters only to have an board pleana finally agree with them.



I dont hate the garai and i dont keep a list of their crimes. In future i will keep a list of their atrocities and just copy and paste it into the next thread where a garda tries to conduct market research on a legal forum hardly the most appropriate place.


Staff S: by conducting a research into public confidence of the gardai on this forum would be like like inquiring into a forum of mortgage advisors on whether the general public have a high level of confidence in bank managers. There are rules to market research and it requires a level and standard which staff sergeant you are abusing on behalf of the gardai


Why not go to a fianna fail convention and ask them what they think of Berie Ahern, i am sure they will all love him.


P.s I don't hate Bertie Ahern either its just my opinion.

Pirelli you are assuming a lot.

I never said I am a member of An Garda Siochana. It may apppear so from the way this topic has been structured. Someone else suggested that i am a man, i never said I was. That actually tells me something too.

There is a specific reason why I have posted this topic on this forum. And why I'm asking these questions.

I don't think I would get a fair idea of what people think about Gardai on Boards.ie. (on a legal forum). I have considered that a lot of people in disadvantaged areas may not have access to the internet, and may not frequent Boards.ie even if they had.

I do intend to speak with people from all walks of life using a variety of methods.

Thanks to those who have posted replies. Pirelli you shouldn't be so quick to make assumptions.

Staff Sergeant

Gianni Yellow Hijacker wrote: »

Prison space is not the only problem. Lots of other reasons as to why a criminal may be let off.

Also, with more gardai on the streets crime would drop a considerable amount. The fact that there are few gardai on the streets doesn't help deter criminals. Don't forget all the crimes being committed on a whim in a "moment of madness".

While I am not the biggest fan of the gardai, I know that they are doing an excellent job in the majority of cases.



1) I don't like dealing with the gardai. I have had too many bad dealings with them. The use of corporal punishment on me by a garda in the South East when I was a young lad left a chip in my tooth. Nobody should be hit by a garda in certain circumstances. I can elaborate more on this if you want.

Being told that I was never going to get a licence for a fire arm, with no underlying reason whatsoever. That wasn't by the FO either, was an older seargent (he had nothing to do with the licencing process, from what I could see). I got my licence in the end, not too long after mind you.

I find that a lot of complaints I put forward to the Gardai seem to fall on deaf ears, or, they simply cannot do anything about it. I witnessed a man beating a woman in a car while he was driving, the Garda at the end of the phone said there is nothing they can do about it. Like, what? How can they not do something about that?

I drive a lot, and witness a lot of lunatics on the road. I make complaints on a regular basis, but I will never know if those complaints will be followed through. If there was a system in place that the person who makes the complaint was informed that the Gardai were in contact with the person who was breaking the law (but didn't go into detail) it would be great, so people have confidence that something is being done about it.

I have also had quite some good experiences with the Gardai. I woke up one morning to find a Garda knocking on my BEDROOM door, our front door was open, we were all asleep and didn't hear the doorbell. I opened my bedroom door in my boxors to the Gardai who said "I think you have been robbed". I thought it was a dream. Student accomodation down in carlow, our house door wasn't locked. My flatmates computers, and another flatmates car was stolen. All was recovered within a few days. None of my stuff was touched (keep everything in my own room), but I found the Gardai to be very pleasent and informed my friends quite well.

2) From all my dealings with the Gardai, I find the majority of them to be quite ignorant. There is no sence of customer service, many do not have great skills when talking to the general public. People really do not like this. I would suggest a course, or something like it, to improve communication skills. Something simple to make Gardai aware that we are more like customers and they are providing a serivce. We all know the amount of crap you guys put up with, but when we go to a Garda station, I rather not be treated like a criminal. I am not a criminal, I have never been in trouble with the Gardai, never been arested, I am unknown to the Gardai and want to be treated well when I make a visit to your stations. It's a very basic and very essential skill to have really.

Thanks for this detailed post.

pirelli

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Pirelli you are assuming a lot.

I never said I am a member of An Garda Siochana. It may apppear so from the way this topic has been structured. Someone else suggested that i am a man, i never said I was. That actually tells me something too.

There is a specific reason why I have posted this topic on this forum. And why I'm asking these questions.

I don't think I would get a fair idea of what people think about Gardai on Boards.ie. (on a legal forum). I have considered that a lot of people in disadvantaged areas may not have access to the internet, and may not frequent Boards.ie even if they had.

I do intend to speak with people from all walks of life using a variety of methods.

Thanks to those who have posted replies. Pirelli you shouldn't be so quick to make assumptions.

Someone suggested your a man! That's very assumptive of them.

Please don't waste your thread debating with me staff sergeant, I have given my opinion and I feel its more than constructive and whether your gay or just like military names is your business. I personally have never seen a female sergeant and the chances your one are laughably slim.

I think i would feel comfortable with the assumption your male and that your fact gathering mission might have been easier for everyone had you been less vague in what you were asking. I think i can live with myself for introducing the risky subject of gender, but as the last OP mentioned in his experience with the gardai, i have also experienced and you can damn sure it wasn't a ban Garda roughing someone up. It might sound ridiculous but it is a strange fact that statistically male gardai are more aggressive and its just a fact of life and the same goes for prison guards. Men in these positions act like pricks while females act more professionally.

Men can act better in some certain situations also such as certain physical labour which is just better suited to men. All i am saying is that you show me a organization that has an natural selection ( not token females) of people with more or less equal genders and you will have a successful organization.

That's one problem with the Gardai they are not people they are ..poorly selected and usually male ... and very poor at office work and terrible at admitting they are wrong.

I will say i should say they are improving.

pirelli

Staff Sergeant wrote: »

Pirelli you are assuming a lot.

I never said I am a member of An Garda Siochana. Pirelli you shouldn't be so quick to make assumptions.

I never said you were either. :mad::mad:

Staff Sergeant

Thanks everyone for the interest so far, but posters like Pirelli are taking this topic off the intended track. I'm genuinely interested in what people on this forum have to say on this topic. Pirelli seems to be intentionally trying to pick holes in my posts. this is the last time i will reply to Pirelli because anyone reading the posts so far will think this is just a farce.

Pirelli according to this part of your second last post,

"I dont hate the garai and i dont keep a list of their crimes. In future i will keep a list of their atrocities and just copy and paste it into the next thread where a garda tries to conduct market research on a legal forum hardly the most appropriate place".

you do believe I'm a Garda, or am I wrong again?
Your posts as I have said, are full of abuse, it's not exactly what I was expecting, but your entitled to your opinion. You have made your point and I won't be replying to you directly anymore, your welcome to direct your abuse elsewhere.

Tom Young

I can feel an infraction or set thereof in my waters. Or is it a banning?

dahamsta

It's the poor tigers I feel sorry for.

Turner

pirelli wrote: »

I personally have never seen a female sergeant.

You do know there are female gardai of all ranks. It may surprise you that the Assistant Commissioner for Crime and Security in the State is in fact a woman!:eek:!


What does a supporter of Rough Justice and a Shell To Sea sympathiser think of that!!! :eek::eek::eek:

pirelli

Chief--- wrote: »

You do know there are female gardai of all ranks. It may surprise you that the Assistant Commissioner for Crime and Security in the State is in fact a woman!:eek:!


What does a supporter of Rough Justice and a Shell To Sea sympathiser think of that!!! :eek::eek::eek:

I wont let you know what i think so as not to denigrate the hard work she put in to get there but i am pleased to hear that. :rolleyes: