Many Unemployed Graduates out there?

poppet84

Just wondering, as a graduate myself!

It's so hard when you have spent so long and lots of money on college only to graduate and end up on the dole!:(

Dave!

Yep. Well, I'm a graduand technically Don't graduate til the end of the month.

tbh I'd feel more aggrieved if I was one of the thousands of actual experienced and skilled workers who are on the scratcher now.

piby

Well I'm doing a MSc at the mo but if I wasn't I'd more than likely be unemployed!!

Creamy Goodness

i was extremely lucky.

spotted a graduate role in a major online irish company. applied for it, and got the job after 3 rounds of interviews.

there's not a day goes by that i don't consider myself one of the really lucky ones to have walked - not to say i didn't work hard to get it - into a job.

susanroth

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

i was extremely lucky.

spotted a graduate role in a major online irish company. applied for it, and got the job after 3 rounds of interviews.

there's not a day goes by that i don't consider myself one of the really lucky ones to have walked - not to say i didn't work hard to get it - into a job.

I am really glad that you do consider yourself lucky and are not one of those people who think ppl on the dole are just lazy/stupid! Its so frustrating to me when ppl are shocked that I dont have a job, as if i don't want a job. its so demoralizing, especially when there seems to be no end in sight!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Yea, another unemployed graduate here... sucks

susanroth

Jakob Hissing Shootout wrote: »

Yea, another unemployed graduate here... sucks

Would ppl really take work in anything right now or are people holding out for something in their field? What is everyones thoughts on this? I am just wondering if anyone is afraid once they get the crappy retail, food service job are they afraid the will get stuck there?

rainbow kirby

piby wrote: »

Well I'm doing a MSc at the mo but if I wasn't I'd more than likely be unemployed!!

+1

Honestly, if I wasn't doing a masters, I'd take anything just to *be* working and off the dole.

poppet84

susanroth wrote: »

Would ppl really take work in anything right now or are people holding out for something in their field? What is everyones thoughts on this? I am just wondering if anyone is afraid once they get the crappy retail, food service job are they afraid the will get stuck there?

No,I just had an interview on Monday for a temp Christmas Temp job n a retail store...You just have to...can't be picky.Hopefully someday I can do something in my field......Have a feeling it won't be in the next 2 years though!:(

GavinZac

+1 I'm a masters graduate. I thought doing the masters in 2007/2008 would tide me over til the (then) downturn righted itself. Hello 2008/2009 depression

I'm doing a project for Enterprise Ireland in UCC alright to pass the time but the money dried up a couple of months ago.

susanroth

GavinZac wrote: »

+1 I'm a masters graduate. I thought doing the masters in 2007/2008 would tide me over til the (then) downturn righted itself. Hello 2008/2009 depression

I'm doing a project for Enterprise Ireland in UCC alright to pass the time but the money dried up a couple of months ago.

:(Would you take a shop job at this point? i am just wondering if ppl would, I would and have done in the past. Sometimes I feel like I shouldn't have that time, as other friends didn't settle for anything less than they wanted. I just have this huge fear I'm going to be stuck in these crap jobs for life:eek:

the_dark_side

hi everyone... I spotted this yesterday, thought you'd be interested... I'd be out of Ireland like a scalded cat if I had the chance
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62916925

Sleepy

Lots of us with experience as well as our degrees would be willing to take pretty much anything going at this stage rather than try holding out for things. Problem we face is that we're "over-qualified for the role"... :rolleyes:

susanroth

Sleepy wrote: »

Lots of us with experience as well as our degrees would be willing to take pretty much anything going at this stage rather than try holding out for things. Problem we face is that we're "over-qualified for the role"... :rolleyes:

Yeah thats a well used phrase alright and a kicker! Its totally nuts as well, what does it mean even, you'll be too good /smart/experienced for the job.... hhmmm wouldn't that be awful to employ someone like that... The thing is as well, its not as if we are going to find something better in a month or two lets face it. I thought this was generally the fear with taking on graduates I sometimes wonder if you'd nearly be better to knock the degree off for some of these jobs..

Dave!

My mate has a 1st class honours in Economics and a masters in finance but hasn't had a sniff of a job since graduating And he's not an EU citizen, so he can't get the dole ! :eek:

mood

I have a degree and several years experience in my field and I would consider ANY job at all. You can't be picky. This recession could last a very long time!

snowyeoghan

Yup, I'm an unemployed Graduate - two degrees and a Masters (Also two years experience). Finished the MSc in September 09 and have been searching since then. Heading to the states if I don't find anything before February...

It is a crappy feeling going from busy busy college to nothing, but something will come! Keep the faith

dan_d

Sucks guys! I'm working 4 years but I'm pretty sure it won't be for much longer....things aren't good in our place.
Pity our Gov are too thick to realise the brightest people in the country are all looking abroad for jobs now.
Chins up in the meantime though, it can't last forever.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

susanroth wrote: »

Would ppl really take work in anything right now or are people holding out for something in their field? What is everyones thoughts on this? I am just wondering if anyone is afraid once they get the crappy retail, food service job are they afraid the will get stuck there?

I have gone for all the crappy retail, food service jobs. You must be black or from poland to get these jobs, didn't you know? Irish need not apply and all that crap? I actually think that people are avoiding the Irish when it comes to searching for staff.

It's a fcuking joke. What really pisses me off is that most, yes most, of these foreigners cannot do their jobs proparly, can hardly speak a word of english and simply do not appretiate what they have. GTFO I say.

sunnyjim

Jakob Hissing Shootout wrote: »

I have gone for all the crappy retail, food service jobs. You must be black or from poland to get these jobs, didn't you know? Irish need not apply and all that crap? I actually think that people are avoiding the Irish when it comes to searching for staff.

For the guts of a decade, the irish didn't want these jobs. Sure they could walk into any €550 a week job doing anything from lift maintenance, retail etc. If they were working these '****ty' jobs, they would drop them in a second, or just work like they don't give a ****.

Enter the polish, and most other foreign nationals. They respected the fact that they had a job at all, and didn't pull **** like sick days for hangovers, or a 'mental health' day. They worked hard. Now employers are going to continue to give these people jobs, because guess what - they have proven track records.

It's a fcuking joke. What really pisses me off is that most, yes most, of these foreigners cannot do their jobs proparly, can hardly speak a word of english and simply do not appretiate what they have. GTFO I say.

Don't appreciate what they have? They came from their own countrys and have worked every hour available to them so that they can live comfortably. Employers recognise this.

Oh wait, they're foreign. They shouldn't get the jaaaawbs full stop. Ignore the fact that they probably have far more experience doing these '****ty' jobs than you. I'm fairly right wing when it comes to immigration issues, but even I can't see the logic you follow...

tailgunner

Jakob Hissing Shootout wrote: »

I have gone for all the crappy retail, food service jobs. You must be black or from poland to get these jobs, didn't you know? Irish need not apply and all that crap? I actually think that people are avoiding the Irish when it comes to searching for staff.

It's a fcuking joke. What really pisses me off is that most, yes most, of these foreigners cannot do their jobs proparly, can hardly speak a word of english and simply do not appretiate what they have. GTFO I say.

Yeah...

Anyway, I graduated from UCC in September and have been looking for work in my field (IT) ever since. Had applied for lots of graduate programmes and such before I did my exams, but nothing came of any of those unfortunately.

Decided to bite the bullet and apply for a few jobs outside my field recently (retail and the like) and have managed to get a job. Nothing to do with my degree or previous experience, but at this point I'm happy to take what I can get.

mood

The majority of retail and food service staff that have been rude to me have been Irish so why would they be better at doing the job? We can leave and have our country and work else so why should it be different for other nationalities?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

mood wrote: »

The majority of retail and food service staff that have been rude to me have been Irish so why would they be better at doing the job? We can leave and have our country and work else so why should it be different for other nationalities?

Bullcrap and you know it. Companies are hiring foreigners like there's no tomorrow. Any minimum wage job, food industry, retail, you name it, from what I see the majority of workers are foreign. They take whatever crap is thrown at them and they don't complain about it. They are easily abused and employers get away with it.

You are making assumptions that I think all foreigners are useless, I never said that so try reading my posts carefully in future. Why the hell would you hire a polish person with very basic English to deal with customers and take orders for food? It's a joke. I got served today in Dunnes and the only words that the zombie behind the counter could utter were "put in pin" No please, no thank you, no communication skills what so ever. Why are these useless gobsh!tes being hired? Same for the Irish workers, but at least they can communicate.

susanroth

:mad:

sunnyjim wrote: »

For the guts of a decade, the irish didn't want these jobs. Sure they could walk into any €550 a week job doing anything from lift maintenance, retail etc. If they were working these '****ty' jobs, they would drop them in a second, or just work like they don't give a ****.

Enter the polish, and most other foreign nationals. They respected the fact that they had a job at all, and didn't pull **** like sick days for hangovers, or a 'mental health' day. They worked hard. Now employers are going to continue to give these people jobs, because guess what - they have proven track records.



Don't appreciate what they have? They came from their own countrys and have worked every hour available to them so that they can live comfortably. Employers recognise this.

Oh wait, they're foreign. They shouldn't get the jaaaawbs full stop. Ignore the fact that they probably have far more experience doing these '****ty' jobs than you. I'm fairly right wing when it comes to immigration issues, but even I can't see the logic you follow...

Would you stall the ball there!! Granted yes some irish ppl have absolutely no respect for these jobs even when doing them, but some actually would do these jobs and take them seriously(not turn up late, call in sick etc.) Its not fair to put every irish person into the same bracket, just because some employers employed irish "wasters" at some stage doesn't really give them the right to say every irish person will act the same. That is not fair!
Also its not like all foreigners stay in these jobs for life, a lot of them leave when they've made the money they needed, and the irish do the same.
I have no problem with foreigners working here, many of my friends are foreign.
I do have a problem with you saying the irish shouldn't get these jobs as they wouldn't appreciate them. Thats just BS, you can't paint everyone the same, its just not fair.:mad:

susanroth

Jakob Hissing Shootout wrote: »

Bullcrap and you know it. Companies are hiring foreigners like there's no tomorrow. Any minimum wage job, food industry, retail, you name it, from what I see the majority of workers are foreign. They take whatever crap is thrown at them and they don't complain about it. They are easily abused and employers get away with it.

You are making assumptions that I think all foreigners are useless, I never said that so try reading my posts carefully in future. Why the hell would you hire a polish person with very basic English to deal with customers and take orders for food? It's a joke. I got served today in Dunnes and the only words that the zombie behind the counter could utter were "put in pin" No please, no thank you, no communication skills what so ever. Why are these useless gobsh!tes being hired? Same for the Irish workers, but at least they can communicate.

Lets face it, it is ridiculous to hire someone with little or no english to work at service counter. Some places charge 5 or 6 euro for a sandwich, that took about 10 minutes to explain.

mood

susanroth wrote: »

Lets face it, it is ridiculous to hire someone with little or no english to work at service counter. Some places charge 5 or 6 euro for a sandwich, that took about 10 minutes to explain.

This happened during the boom when it was hard to get staff. I bet now only fluent English speaker are being hired for such jobs.

Happy Monday

snowyeoghan wrote: »

Yup, I'm an unemployed Graduate - two degrees and a Masters (Also two years experience). Finished the MSc in September 09 and have been searching since then. Heading to the states if I don't find anything before February...

It is a crappy feeling going from busy busy college to nothing, but something will come! Keep the faith

Buddy - as a former graduate in my mid 30s take my advice.
Go to the States either way - don't consider at your age settling your anything less.

Slippers

Another unemployed graduate here.

HDip in Statistics UCD 2008 2.1 Honours
BSc in Statistics UCD 2006

I finished my higher diploma in May 2008 and my work since then consists of:

two weeks packing bags in Superquinn
one day standing on a street corner counting pedestrians
a one-and-a-half day trial as a sales assistant in a butcher's shop
ten days as a TV extra

I'll turn 27 in March. I'm planning to go back to UCD in September to do an MA Qualifier in Economics. Most of my classmates will be 20-year-olds starting the 3rd year of their degree. I feel like I'm loosing the race of life.

sunnyjim

susanroth wrote: »

:mad:

Would you stall the ball there!! Granted yes some irish ppl have absolutely no respect for these jobs even when doing them, but some actually would do these jobs and take them seriously(not turn up late, call in sick etc.) Its not fair to put every irish person into the same bracket, just because some employers employed irish "wasters" at some stage doesn't really give them the right to say every irish person will act the same. That is not fair!
Also its not like all foreigners stay in these jobs for life, a lot of them leave when they've made the money they needed, and the irish do the same.
I have no problem with foreigners working here, many of my friends are foreign.
I do have a problem with you saying the irish shouldn't get these jobs as they wouldn't appreciate them. Thats just BS, you can't paint everyone the same, its just not fair.:mad:

iamxavior wrote:

Bullcrap and you know it. Companies are hiring foreigners like there's no tomorrow. Any minimum wage job, food industry, retail, you name it, from what I see the majority of workers are foreign. They take whatever crap is thrown at them and they don't complain about it. They are easily abused and employers get away with it.

You are making assumptions that I think all foreigners are useless, I never said that so try reading my posts carefully in future*. Why the hell would you hire a polish person with very basic English to deal with customers and take orders for food? It's a joke. I got served today in Dunnes and the only words that the zombie behind the counter could utter were "put in pin" No please, no thank you, no communication skills what so ever. Why are these useless gobsh!tes being hired? Same for the Irish workers, but at least they can communicate.

Then tell me. Why are employers not giving the jobs to irish people?

I know... I shouldn't paint all irish people in the same light. But it's ok for us to deem all foreign workers as illiterate zombies?

*BTW I have been reading your posts carefully. For all the blather about eastern europeans lack of language, your posts could do with a polish off. Maybe even a spell czech :pac: Seriously though, your posts are quite clear.

miec

Have a 1st class B.A and M.A, ten years admin experience, have been unemployed for six months now, have gone for a variety of jobs, most don't reply or if they do it is that I am over qualified or have been out of the workforce too long (last worked in 2006). I do have an interview at the end of the month (the first since July) and its a job I really want so fingers crossed but it is tough out there. Basically for every job there is out there 100s are going for the one job so any excuse to bin the CVs they will, it is ****ty but I can understand it.

Yeah thats a well used phrase alright and a kicker! Its totally nuts as well, what does it mean even, you'll be too good /smart/experienced for the job.... hhmmm wouldn't that be awful to employ someone like that... The thing is as well, its not as if we are going to find something better in a month or two lets face it. I thought this was generally the fear with taking on graduates I sometimes wonder if you'd nearly be better to knock the degree off for some of these jobs..

As for not taking on graduates, it may be that the employer would feel uncomfortable taking on someone more educated than them, also a graduate might question things more or be more challenging, that would be the assumption.

susanroth

miec wrote: »

Have a 1st class B.A and M.A, ten years admin experience, have been unemployed for six months now, have gone for a variety of jobs, most don't reply or if they do it is that I am over qualified or have been out of the workforce too long (last worked in 2006). I do have an interview at the end of the month (the first since July) and its a job I really want so fingers crossed but it is tough out there. Basically for every job there is out there 100s are going for the one job so any excuse to bin the CVs they will, it is ****ty but I can understand it.



As for not taking on graduates, it may be that the employer would feel uncomfortable taking on someone more educated than them, also a graduate might question things more or be more challenging, that would be the assumption.

How are you out of work since 2006 and unemployed for 6 months?
I'm actually very afraid of interviews now as it seems the pressure will be unbearable! I get nervous enough on a normal basis..
Good luck in your interview!!

SeaFields

Graduated in September and have an MA and a research masters. Have got 14 hours a week in the retail job I have worked in since undergrad and that has to do me.

In the same job there is also a law graduate and pharmacist working as sales assistants. One other graduate (science) that worked there emigrated recently. We also don't appear on any statistics as we are technically working albeit part time for an amount that equates to, or is less than, the dole. I assume this is possibly the case with many other graduates.

Brian Cowen and Brian Lenihan are talking today about "the light at the end of the tunnel"...I don't see it.

P.S. Primetime tonight made for very depressing viewing for any young person looking for work.

sunnyjim

Depressing indeed.

I've got a degree in Med. Chemistry. Nearly a years part time employment with a major name lab during my undergrad, 3 months working in a very specific section of a state lab, and research work completed there too.

No jobs going, except the odd 12 week contract here or there. Back in college myself now.

Rowley Birkin QC

Graduated with first class honours in Planning but couldn't get a sniff of a job so I'm working in a bar in Amsterdam until my MSc. starts in February.

Being on the dole for about two months very nearly drove me crazy. It's a sick system.

martind81

Finished college last friday of may in 2008 and started an engineering job the following monday. Was let go last may and then 8 days later was called back and have been working ever since. Of 35 graduates of my course i'm the only one who has a job that is any way relavent to the course, some have jobs in shops etc but only about 6/7.
I'm lucky i know but its just a pity i hate my job!

susanroth

I wonder is a hdip a recession buster?? Any thoughtd?

NickDrake

anything in debt collection is the next big area

Lockstep

Jakob Hissing Shootout wrote: »

I have gone for all the crappy retail, food service jobs. You must be black or from poland to get these jobs, didn't you know? Irish need not apply and all that crap? I actually think that people are avoiding the Irish when it comes to searching for staff.

It's a fcuking joke. What really pisses me off is that most, yes most, of these foreigners cannot do their jobs proparly, can hardly speak a word of english and simply do not appretiate what they have. GTFO I say.

Would disagree with you there. I was working various jobs for the past few years and while initially, most of my coworkers would be non-Irish, this is certainly no longer the case. Would also strongly disagree with the idea that most foreigners cannot do their job properly; most were extremely hard workers. Certainly more then the Irish in the store.
Was working a lot in retail before I left Ireland and nearly all the new workers were Irish, seeng as so many Eastern Europeans are going home.

GavinZac

susanroth wrote: »

:(Would you take a shop job at this point? i am just wondering if ppl would, I would and have done in the past. Sometimes I feel like I shouldn't have that time, as other friends didn't settle for anything less than they wanted. I just have this huge fear I'm going to be stuck in these crap jobs for life:eek:

I probably will when my commitment to the current project ends (hopefully the next couple of weeks) but its a fairly hard decision - it will look very strange to potential employers having left Dunnes, gotten a masters whilst getting 18 months experience in EMC's product support, and then back to Dunnes Deli stacking meats! But of course, I won't have much choice, rent is due and bills are still coming in. I used up my stamps before these projects started paying so I won't be due much in terms of welfare anyway.

Shaneod21

The problem many graduates face is the lack of experience. When I graduated I was lucky enough to get a job straight away. The important factor for me was the contacts and lucrative internships I had. This is something that employers really desire nowadays.