Is money holding us back?

ScumLord

I've turned completely to the idea that the monetary system is one of the major limiting factors in the development of the human species. Not only by the fact that each generation has to suffer an economic collapse through no fault of their own but by the fact it limits so much of our daily lives. It's the limiting factor in all national projects, all business decisions and even in your own life, just think of the things you could do and achieve if money wasn't a limiting factor.
It's never that we don't have the know how, technology or resources to do just about anything these days, it's that we never have the money. It seems to be a flawed system and I'm sure in this day and age we can come up with a much better system. Getting rid of the security and bureaucracy that goes into managing money would be a huge burden off society.

While I'm sure systems like the one put forward zeitgeist crowd aren't perfect either I think working towards that ideal is more and more important.

Do you think money is the end all and be all, do you think a moneyless society is possible and do you think current governments should be trying to move towards a moneyless society?

robbie_998

ok.... i'll give you €0 a year to survive on....lets see how you do

brummytom

Yep, we should go back to the old bartering system..


I'll swap you a pair of boxers for a Jaffa cake

Mmcd

Shot in the dark here but Im guessing you're not rich!

WeeBushy

There's a reason why hippy colonies don't work.

SV

brummytom wrote: »

Yep, we should go back to the old bartering system..


I'll swap you a pair of boxers for a Jaffa cake

used or?

Prof.Badass

Mmcd wrote: »

Shot in the dark here but Im guessing you're not rich high!

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Seriosuly though currency is definitely in the top 10 best inventions ever. The reccesion happened because those with power acted irresponsibly. Our economy would be a lot worse off if it relied on bartering.

ScumLord

robbie_998 wrote: »

ok.... i'll give you €0 a year to survive on....lets see how you do

Well that wouldn't work in the monetary system because I need money but if you change the way the system operates then I probably could.

This isn't a hippy commune idea either, it's about getting the most out of what we're capable of. We could easily go top the moon and start mining it for energy now if only it wasn't so cost prohibitive. We have the ability to treat every hospital patient in this country but it's (supposedly but bad management has allot to do with it) too cost prohibitive.

My name is URL

I've always thought something similar tbh

I mean we spend our lives making money so that we can keep on living, and die anyway, loosing it all.

Every cent you make goes back to the people at the top of the pyramid

Only a tiny percentage of the money in the world actually physically exists anyway, the rest is digital currency, not real, wealth that exists soley on the clout of the already rich

WeeBushy

ScumLord wrote: »

This isn't a hippy commune idea either, it's about getting the most out of what we're capable of. We could easily go top the moon and start mining it for energy now if only it wasn't so cost prohibitive. We have the ability to treat every hospital patient in this country but it's (supposedly but bad management has allot to do with it) too cost prohibitive.

How would someone who does an extremely difficult job, or one that requires a lot of talent, be rewarded over someone who is happy to sit on their ass all day doing nothing?

chin_grin

Blowjobs and cheeseburgers.

Hard Larry

Didn't some farmyard animals have the same gripe a few years back and revolted against the farmer? Don't think it ended well.

4 legs good, 2 legs baaaaad!

cson

30 pieces of silver...

If only this had been thought of earlier!

bigeasyeah

Sounds a bit bolshie to me.One cant be expected to tolerate the children of dungfarmers on the playing fields of Eton old boy.
Now fetch me my smoking jacket and be quick about it.

WeeBushy

WeeBushy wrote: »

How would someone who does an extremely difficult job, or one that requires a lot of talent, be rewarded over someone who is happy to sit on their ass all day doing nothing?

Pretty much the reason that the society we live in is the only one that works.. It may not be perfect but incentive and greed drives us forward.

I see what OP is saying but at the heart of it, money is the reward for work and progress.

brummytom

Is it just me or have half the replies here been duplicated?

jif

ill trade you the time I put in to this post for one of your chickens.

WeeBushy

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much the reason that the society we live in is the only one that works.. It may not be perfect but incentive and greed drives us forward.

I see what OP is saying but at the heart of it, money is the reward for work and progress.

Exactly, there's a reason communism doesn't work in practice. Unfortunately, perhaps.

brummytom

SV wrote: »

used or?

If you want

WeeBushy

brummytom wrote: »

Is it just me or have half the replies here been duplicated?

You've been fapping too much, it's giving you double vision

WIZE

WeeBushy wrote: »

You've been fapping too much, it's giving you double vision

And crusty boxers

Hard Larry

BVB wrote: »

And crusty boxers

Swap you them for a wet sock

ScumLord

WeeBushy wrote: »

How would someone who does an extremely difficult job, or one that requires a lot of talent, be rewarded over someone who is happy to sit on their ass all day doing nothing?

Allot of it would be done solely on that persons desire to do the job. One of the main objectives of the zeitgeist method was to build automated factories like they have in Japan. All factory work would be automated. This would free up people for creative and scientific work. With the right education and allowing people to follow their interests into a job they actually want to do would have allot to do with it, even if that's just cooking for people.

jumpguy

Sorry bub, nobody is gonna do anyone any favours for free, doesn't matter how it will benefit mankind. "Will you work in my factory for free?" "Can I have this chocolate bar for free? Actually, since they're free, I think I'll take ten".

WIZE

Hard Larry wrote: »

Swap you them for a wet sock

Are the sticky tissues included

Hard Larry

BVB wrote: »

Are the sticky tissues included

No need for tissues with a sock. The greener way to fap

WeeBushy

ScumLord wrote: »

Allot of it would be done solely on that persons desire to do the job. One of the main objectives of the zeitgeist method was to build automated factories like they have in Japan. All factory work would be automated. This would free up people for creative and scientific work. With the right education and allowing people to follow their interests into a job they actually want to do would have allot to do with it, even if that's just cooking for people.

I want to sit on my arse all day fapping, expecting society to provide my health care, food and entertainment.
When nobody has to work for what they need then very soon you'll find a lot of people sitting on their arses all day fapping.

Hard Larry

WeeBushy wrote: »

I want to sit on my arse all day fapping, expecting society to provide my health care, food and entertainment.
When nobody has to work for what they need then very soon you'll find a lot of people sitting on their arses all day fapping.

You talking about Mods?
:pac:

WeeBushy

Hard Larry wrote: »

You talking about Mods?
:pac:

I hope the mods aren't fapping while reading my posts, a lot of them on AH are guys...

WIZE

Hard Larry wrote: »

Swap you them for a wet sock

Did your mammy not get suspicious only washing one sock at a time

My name is URL

WeeBushy wrote: »

I want to sit on my arse all day fapping, expecting society to provide my health care, food and entertainment.
When nobody has to work for what they need then very soon you'll find a lot of people sitting on their arses all day fapping.

You're only assuming that because you're comparing it to the system that already exists.. In a world without money there'd be no need for greed

always a need for fapping though

Hard Larry

BVB wrote: »

Did your mammy not get suspicious only washing one sock at a time

Ever wonder what happened to the other sock after the wash?

Now you know

WeeBushy

My name is URL wrote: »

You're only assuming that because you're comparing it to the system that already exists.. In a world without money there'd be no need for greed

always a need for fapping though

There might be no need for greed, but there's also no need to be productive as I can adopt the attitude "ah someone else will work to provide everything for me so I can fap".

I think it safe to say, no matter the society we live in there will ALWAYS be a need for fapping.

Sea Sharp

If everybody is rich, then nobody is rich.

Hard Larry

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

If everybody is rich, then nobody is rich.

A bit like the Celtic tiger then?

chin_grin

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

If everybody is rich, then nobody is rich.

Reminds me of that David Byrne (him of Talking Heads) quote: If everything is worth money, then money is worth nothing.

Borneo Fnctn

Money be green fool!

Biggins

ScumLord wrote: »

Is money holding us back?

For a lot of folk it won't be a problem any more after the next budget, if that's the case!

espinolman

ScumLord wrote: »

I've turned completely to the idea that the monetary system is one of the major limiting factors in the development of the human species.

Ok try this , get a ten euro note and put it on the table , now ask it to clean your car or whatever you want cleaned !

Is all money is , is pieces of paper .