Breeder's Cup.

Merry Deal

Anyone know why the Breeder's Cup is later this year?

Shan75

It's later than last year but is not that late overall and has been on in November more often than October.Apparently generally it is to do with where it is being staged and in warm weather area it will be November while in cold weather area such as New York it will be in October.

Merry Deal

Shan75 wrote: »

It's later than last year but is not that late overall and has been on in November more often than October.Apparently generally it is to do with where it is being staged and in warm weather area it will be November while in cold weather area such as New York it will be in October.

Thanks Shan.
I had come to associate it more with the last weekend in October.
What you say about the weather makes a lot of sense.
Whatever the weather, it is one of the greatest meetings of the year and long may it continue!

Shan75

Merry Deal wrote: »

Thanks Shan.
I had come to associate it more with the last weekend in October.
What you say about the weather makes a lot of sense.
Whatever the weather, it is one of the greatest meetings of the year and long may it continue!

Absolutely agree.I love the Breeder's Cup and now it is two days it gets better and gives our horses more of a chance with more turf races although the Pro-Ride surface of Santa Anita is in the Europeans favour anyway.

Merry Deal

Shan75 wrote: »

Absolutely agree.I love the Breeder's Cup and now it is two days it gets better and gives our horses more of a chance with more turf races although the Pro-Ride surface of Santa Anita is in the Europeans favour anyway.

Yes, we really are spoiled these days.
Not long over the Arc, and the Ascot Festival before that, and now one of the highlights of the year coming up.
And some mouth watering jumps meetings on the way with the season just beginning!

finbarrk

I was in Santa Anita a few years ago when it was on there in October and the heat was unreal. I remember Ouija Board being covered in a lather of sweat in the parade ring and I asked Fallon was she ok with the heat. He didn't answer me so I halfed my bet to $250 and she still won!

Merry Deal

finbarrk wrote: »

I was in Santa Anita a few years ago when it was on there in October and the heat was unreal. I remember Ouija Board being covered in a lather of sweat in the parade ring and I asked Fallon was she ok with the heat. He didn't answer me so I halfed my bet to $250 and she still won!

She was outstanding.
You don't get many of those in a season!

Hawk Wing

finbarrk wrote: »

I was in Santa Anita a few years ago when it was on there in October and the heat was unreal. I remember Ouija Board being covered in a lather of sweat in the parade ring and I asked Fallon was she ok with the heat. He didn't answer me so I halfed my bet to $250 and she still won!

Ouija Board won in Dallas and Churchill Downs

Merry Deal

Hawk Wing wrote: »

Ouija Board won in Dallas and Churchill Downs

Was still a great horse!
Thanks for the info.

Warper

Goldikova to emulate the great Miesque this weekend by winning back-to-back Mile's. Cant wait - definitely the nap of the meet. Got the coffin draw but she would want to be dead to get beat here.

Merry Deal

Warper wrote: »

Goldikova to emulate the great Miesque this weekend by winning back-to-back Mile's. Cant wait - definitely the nap of the meet. Got the coffin draw but she would want to be dead to get beat here.

She will need to be exceptional to emulate Miesque.
That coffin draw won't help but, hopefully, her well charted ability
will see her through.

Johner

What time does the first race start our time?

Have to buy a few crates for this.

UpInClass

2009 Breeders' Cup ~ ODDS & ENTRIES:
www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=43051

HAPPY BREEDERS' CUP!!!

Merry Deal

UpInClass wrote: »

2009 Breeders' Cup ~ ODDS & ENTRIES:
www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=43051

HAPPY BREEDERS' CUP!!!

You too!

Merry Deal

Johner wrote: »

What time does the first race start our time?

Have to buy a few crates for this.

At The Races starts coverage on Friday and Saturday at 5pm,
as far as I can see.
Enjoy the crates!

eire750

lay rip van winkle..long season and noises coming out of o brien yard not great..i think mastercraftmans there no 1 horse over there but very short in the betting.
also i had a big bet on conduit last year but i am not so confident this year..any thoughts folks

premierstone

eire750 wrote: »

lay rip van winkle..long season and noises coming out of o brien yard not great..i think mastercraftmans there no 1 horse over there but very short in the betting.
also i had a big bet on conduit last year but i am not so confident this year..any thoughts folks

the part in bold is reason to back it not to lay it imo, its not like O'Brien hasnt done it before

eire750

premierstone wrote: »

the part in bold is reason to back it not to lay it imo, its not like O'Brien hasnt done it before

correct! my gut feeling is he may be over the top by now but thats the beauty of betting on horses - they wouldnt bring him over if he wasnt 100%...so you may well be right

Hawk Wing

O'Briens juveniles are the only ones worth backing this time of the year, all the older horses are always a mile over the top after a hard season, Coolmore like the prestige of having a runner in the big breeders cup races, a pity they does not train them accordingly

Warper

Hawk Wing wrote: »

O'Briens juveniles are the only ones worth backing this time of the year, all the older horses are always a mile over the top after a hard season, Coolmore like the prestige of having a runner in the big breeders cup races, a pity they does not train them accordingly

Some of O'Briens older horses have run crackers in the BC - think Rock of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, High Chaparral and Henrythenavigator last year. But for 2 bad rides with ROG and GC they should have joined HC in winning a BC race. O'Brien and Murtagh always believed that RVW was his best horse this year and it would be great to see him win. The yanks will more than likely back Zenyatta which would see RVW drift to 3 or 4 to 1 on US prices.
Alfred Nobel is the pick for the Juvenile.

Shan75

Johner wrote: »

What time does the first race start our time?

Have to buy a few crates for this.

6 BC races on Friday with first race at 8:35pm and last race at 11:45pm

8 BC races on Saturday with first race at 6:45pm and last race at 11:45pm

Shan75

For anybody interested there are videos of every past Breeders' Cup race available here.

http://www.breederscup.com/greatestmoments.aspx?divisionname=classic&year=2008

eire750

Warper wrote: »

Some of O'Briens older horses have run crackers in the BC - think Rock of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, High Chaparral and Henrythenavigator last year. But for 2 bad rides with ROG and GC they should have joined HC in winning a BC race. O'Brien and Murtagh always believed that RVW was his best horse this year and it would be great to see him win. The yanks will more than likely back Zenyatta which would see RVW drift to 3 or 4 to 1 on US prices.
Alfred Nobel is the pick for the Juvenile.

alfred nobel is 8/1..decent value and o brien compares him to johanasburg

Nulty

eire750 wrote: »

lay rip van winkle..long season and noises coming out of o brien yard not great..i think mastercraftmans there no 1 horse over there but very short in the betting.
also i had a big bet on conduit last year but i am not so confident this year..any thoughts folks

Rip for the Classic

Racing Post:

Aiden O'Brien

"I was very worried this morning. You could see the journey in him and he's been a little bit quiet the last few days, but as he went round the track this morning I was very happy, as happy as you can be after a slow piece of work. He didn't lose his movement. His foot seems fine.

"We won't really know if the season has taken its toll until he runs, but Rip is a very brilliant horse, probably the most natural athlete we've ever had.

"This horse gives it all. You have to be careful talking about him because the feel you get from him this morning makes you maybe say too much. The feel, the movement that he has.

"This is a very special horse and I have no doubt that we have never before come here with a horse of this calibre. If we can get him to perform close to what he can do, he should give a really good account of himself."

Theres no way I'd lay rip van winkle....no way. If anything I'd just let him run.

Warper

How many times though have we hear O'Brien talk utter s**te about his horses. The usual superlatives come out to enhance the horses stud value. Basically what he is saying is RVW is probably the best horse he ever had - next year he will be saying the same thing about Steinbeck and St. Nicholas Abbey, he does it every year.

But ya, I couldnt lay RVW myself - I mean what price would you lay him at that people will take. He is a sure drifter on Sat on the US PMU and the UK prices on him are an absolute joke. Either way it should be a great night's racing though.

Johner

Father Time in the first for me.

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Johner

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The fact that Father time has won on this surface is the only thing swaying me away from Mastery.

Shan75

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http://www.breederscup.com/webcam.aspx

Shan75

Great start for Aidan O'Brien and Murtagh.

Whyno

Great ride...Role on a coolmore romp

Shan75

Going for House of Grace to beat Lillie Langtry in the next.

BobbyD10

Great win for Midday I must say, really battled well.

Shan75

Agreed Midday was very good.

Just the Distaff left today and I have a fancy for Proviso.I can see Careless Jewel leading from the start and being collared at about the furlong marker by Proviso who hopefully will show her turn of foot which I believe is superior to the rest of this field.Music Note is classy on dirt but I don't think she possesses the required turn of foot to win on the Pro-Ride surface.If Careless Jewel is allowed too soft a lead she may be hard to beat but it is very unusual to win from the front at Santa Anita.

meriwether

I was looking forward to this all week, cleared the diary, banished herself, have ATR at home.

But by god its dragging on a bit now.

Shan75

Shan75 wrote: »

Agreed Midday was very good.

Just the Distaff left today and I have a fancy for Proviso.I can see Careless Jewel leading from the start and being collared at about the furlong marker by Proviso who hopefully will show her turn of foot which I believe is superior to the rest of this field.Music Note is classy on dirt but I don't think she possesses the required turn of foot to win on the Pro-Ride surface.If Careless Jewel is allowed too soft a lead she may be hard to beat but it is very unusual to win from the front at Santa Anita.

Insane pace set by Careless Jewel and set the race up for the deep closing Life is Sweet.

Johner

Midday saved me last night.

UpInClass

Photos from Friday...
2009 BC MARATHON... Man of Iron & John Murtagh ($14.80)





More photos @ http://www.network54.com/Forum/326106/thread/1257592368/last-1257598329/Photos+from+Friday

GOOD LUCK on Day 2 of Breeders' Cup!
Dell Yount
UpInClass Racing Forum (USA)
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thirtypence

what pub in dublin city will show the races saturday night?

Warper

2 superstars of the meeting were obviously Goldikova and Zenyatta. It really was a special Classic which had to be the performance of the year. Conduit also deserves credit but it was a pretty poor race - Spanish Moon being second fav illustrates this.

Coolmore had another shocker and have to avoided at all costs in the future - horrible record in the BC.

UpInClass

BC photos - Saturday
http://www.network54.com/Forum/326106/thread/1257660296/last-1257690290/Photos+from+Saturday

BC Classic photos -
http://www.network54.com/Forum/326106/thread/1257672788/last-1257690058/2009+BC+Classic+photos