42% Increase In Suicides Recorded

Takk

The number of suicides registered in the first three months of this year was over 42% higher than in the same period last year.

The Central Statistics Office puts the figure for the period at 106.

74 suicides were registered in the first three months of last year.

The Vital Statistics report says that more than 4 in 5 suicides were male.

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OP Edit: Helpful links from National Office For Suicide Prevention

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citizen_p

blame it on the recession, works for everything else.



people having money problems... leads to realationship problems etc... etc...

depressing stuff

minidazzler

Worst thing is alot of suicides are kids these days, In the past 2 years I know 5 people between the ages of 15 and 19 who killed themselves.

All male.

Mossy Monk

Mousey- wrote: »

people having money problems... leads to realationship problems etc... etc...

depressing stuff

It is sad that someones mind can see no other way out.

The_Kew_Tour

Just like to know the percentage difference from Rural to Urban.

I come from Rural area from home and I have known few people all male to have lost there own life.

Its such a sad thing and I always feel sorry for those poor people as its hard maybe for them to think that there way out of there problem(s)

Fo Real

Society has taken the traditional male role away from young men thereby making them "redundant" or "useless". The rise in suicide rates is sad but not shocking, I'm afraid.

Bob_Harris

It's just from the first 3 months.

In a broader sense the numbers are coming down.

Takk

Bob_Harris wrote: »

It's just from the first 3 months.

In a broader sense the numbers are coming down.

Irish Times wrote:

The figures upset the downward trend in officially recorded suicides witnessed in the State over the past five years.

Last year, the number who took their own lives fell from 460 to 424, which represented a 16-year low.

However, many experts believe the figures underestimate the true extent of the problem.

Link

Yes (as reported above) but I'd imagine such an increase, in comparison to the same period last year, would suggest a possible overall increase for the year as a whole.

Either way, they're people, not statistics.

Bob_Harris

Takk wrote: »

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Yes (as reported above) but I'd imagine such an increase, in comparison to the same period last year, would suggest a possible overall increase for the year as a whole.

Either way, they're people, not statistics.

People counted = statistics.

jumpguy

With the collapse of the construction industry, most unemployed are males, often with no relevant qualifications to get them any skilled jobs, and with every other unskilled job in the country picking up and shipping out. Families are left moneyless, blame is thrown around, it can get too much.

I suppose it's only to expected suicides will go up in such a serious recession, but 42% is pretty huge.

Rebelheart

jumpguy wrote: »

With the collapse of the construction industry, most unemployed are males, often with no relevant qualifications to get them any skilled jobs, and with every other unskilled job in the country picking up and shipping out. Families are left moneyless, blame is thrown around, it can get too much.

I suppose it's only to expected suicides will go up in such a serious recession, but 42% is pretty huge.

Lads have been more prone to suicide for as long as the statistics have been compiled, and that is far longer than the collapse, or emergence, of the Celtic Tiger. Women tend to attempt suicide much more, and then have talks or therapy and get back on track. Lads, as usual, cut the bullsh!t and just do it.

Life is possibly if not probably overrated anyway!

Riddle101

It certianly is a tragic thing, the worst thing is, is that the people who commit suidide proberly didn't get any help. Proberly because they are afraid to speak up and tell people they have a problem. It's proberly even worse for someone who was abused as a kid, or has abusive parents. There needs to be a more urgent way to help suiciders.

liah

Rebelheart wrote: »

Life is possibly if not probably overrated anyway!

That's an absolutely awful thing to say, not to mention completely untrue especially in a first world country.

Life is amazing and it astonishes me how often people take it for granted. There's so much beauty in the world.

mike65

Registered suicides are one thing actual suicides are another, how many single vehicle crashes are deliberate for example?

CreepingDeath

Takk wrote: »

42% Increase In Suicides Recorded

I blame the cameramen.

My name is URL

It won't change unless people recognise depression and withdrawl. I suffered with depression for a few years after leaving school, apparently

I never felt 'sad', but I was hugely withdrawn from things, and my mates noticed it because one of their brothers suffered from it too.

Even family members don't always notice a change in a person because it manifests itself so gradually.

I never acknowledged that I was depressed until my friends confronted me over it, it's a difficult thing to admit to yourself, and even more difficult to admit to others because it makes it feel like you've somehow failed at life while everyone else is getting on fine with theirs.

Even after I admitted to myself that I was depressed and anxious, I didn't seek help.. it took a panic attack for me to talk to someone qualified to deal with it, if I didn't have that panic attack I'd probably still be the same, or worse off by now.

Moral of the story is that people just need to talk about stuff more, talk to anyone.. and help will find you

netwhizkid

liah wrote: »

That's an absolutely awful thing to say, not to mention completely untrue especially in a first world country.

Life is amazing and it astonishes me how often people take it for granted. There's so much beauty in the world.

I beg to differ, Ireland is not a first world country and imo is at the bottom of the 2nd world ladder.

We live in an absolute kip of a country where every woman has totally unrealistic expectations from men. Add to this our economy has collapsed, meaning a serious lot of young men are out of work, coupled to the fact it rains here 320 days a year and the vast social outlet for people is drink and alcoholism.

Seriously I consider a 42% rise to be far worse than expected, our lives are crap and we are marooned as a race on this hell hole of an island. Add to this the massive stigmata attached to Mental Illnesses and pathetic Mental Health Facilities and it is no wonder that people are killing themselves.

It is very sad but most of this is due to simple demo graphs such as the economy, weather (three years of constant rain) and our entire consciousness as a total begrudger of a nation.

Dudess

While I agree with your points that I haven't quoted...

netwhizkid wrote: »

Ireland is not a first world country and imo is at the bottom of the 2nd world ladder.

We live in an absolute kip of a country where every woman has totally unrealistic expectations from men.

our lives are crap

Wtf?

wudangclan

Dudess wrote: »

While I agree with your points that I haven't quoted...

Wtf?

you don't reasonably expect him to answer that,do you? :P

liah

netwhizkid wrote: »

I beg to differ, Ireland is not a first world country and imo is at the bottom of the 2nd world ladder.

We live in an absolute kip of a country where every woman has totally unrealistic expectations from men. Add to this our economy has collapsed, meaning a serious lot of young men are out of work, coupled to the fact it rains here 320 days a year and the vast social outlet for people is drink and alcoholism.

Seriously I consider a 42% rise to be far worse than expected, our lives are crap and we are marooned as a race on this hell hole of an island. Add to this the massive stigmata attached to Mental Illnesses and pathetic Mental Health Facilities and it is no wonder that people are killing themselves.

It is very sad but most of this is due to simple demo graphs such as the economy, weather (three years of constant rain) and our entire consciousness as a total begrudger of a nation.

The more and more posts I've seen from you the more I have to wonder.

"Women have totally unrealistic expectations from men?" It works both ways, you know. The opposite could be argued incredibly easily.

Our lives are not crap. I have no money, I've been bouncing around from place to place for the last year being homeless on quite a few occasions where I have had to sleep on the street. The last week I've had very little to eat and many times before I've gone well over a week with less than a full meal. I've had horrible things done to me by the people I care about and even worse things done by strangers. I've by no means had what anyone would consider a "good" or "easy" life, and yet I still consider life to be precious and to be honest, when people like you can sit there and say all that it just makes me incredibly sad.

Life is amazing and full of beauty. You are lucky to live in this "kip" of a country and not a place like Africa or the Middle Eastern war zones. You have food, a home, family, friends-- more than can be said for me, anyway. You have an internet connection, which means a wealth of information at your fingertips. You have a tv screen and probably a car. You either have a job or the government or your family provides for you. You have it pretty good, so don't you dare preach to me about the woes of the world.

Just open your goddamn eyes. Don't you see how amazing the people around you are? Don't you listen to the beauty of music? Don't you see the intricacies of nature? Even the simple things like the birds singing when I wake up in the morning remind me that life is something I'm very happy I'm lucky enough to experience. There's so much to see and do, so many wonderful people to meet. There's just as much, if not more, good as bad.

Just because you choose to take a negative outlook on things doesn't mean there's no positive-- it's up to you how you see the world. And to be honest, I feel bad for you if you truly believe what you just wrote.

mikemac

Not a lot of understanding of these issues I think. Not when you have national politicans labelling people selfish bastards. I've forgotten which TD but it was well reported at the time

I'm from a rural area and suicide is a big issue. I read somewhere more young men take their own life then die from road crashes.
We have the bank holiday weekends announcements, advertisements and road safety campaigns.

Not so much for suicide preventation though to be fair I saw an TV ad tonight from the HSE. It was a very well together ad too, has a guy in a hoody and then the same guy talking about their alter ego, very effective imo

Dudess

But if a person's in that dark place where they feel ending it is the only way to stop the pain, well, seeing the positive isn't an option for them. They literally can't.

liah

Dudess wrote: »

But if a person's in that dark place where they feel ending it is the only way to stop the pain, well, seeing the positive isn't an option for them. They literally can't.

I know. I've been there. My whole family has been diagnosed with clinical depression. I don't know how, but I managed to work my way out of it. I've been at both ends of the street.

Besides, I'm not talking about people who are depressed, I'm talking about people like Rebelheart and netwhizkid who think it's okay to sit behind their monitors going on about how awful the world is when really they're just too lazy to look around and see what makes it beautiful.

seraphimvc

i blame the weather.as always

fryup

suicide rates have gone up??

well after recently watching an episode of Home & Away i can well believe it

Dudess

@liah

Ah, I see.

Oh yeah, people in their comfortable homes, with **** all to worry about, who ramble about Ireland being a "banana republic" etc are just talking sh1t.

netwhizkid

Dudess wrote: »

While I agree with your points that I haven't quoted...

Wtf?

netwhizkid wrote:

Ireland is not a first world country and imo is at the bottom of the 2nd world ladder.

We live in an absolute kip of a country where every woman has totally unrealistic expectations from men.

our lives are crap

I stand by what I said, some people think Ireland is some great country, however it is not. I hardly consider us a 1st world country, we have far too many problems for that. Look at our government, our disastrous rip-off healthcare, our farcical infrastructure. Hundreds of thousands of us are crippled by debts that may never be repaid. We compare Ireland to other countries and we simply do not cut it.

If you live in rural Ireland you may as well be living in siberia, your social life usually resolves around a pub maybe 5 miles away and the nightmare of going out then involves waiting for taxis (like 1hr easy) or else dodging the gauntlet that is DUI. Nearly everything is a battle in this country to get done, try dealing with the public service and you will soon have all your hair pulled out. Add to this beautiful country our excellent:mad: weather and it takes a fairly heartless person to not get down from time to time.

Then let me come to my second excerpt, Women, in particular Irish women. At young ages of between 17 to 30 in most normal hetro males, finding that girl is a big part of life.

Most girls at this age are happy to string guys along have a little fun and then dump them. Alot of Irish girls are not ready to settle until into their thirties and mid thirties. A lot of Irish men from about 21 off would settle. Then there is the massive unrealistic expectations, women demand that you be in a good job, with a nice (massive) house which you own because renting is wasted money.

These sort of demands put massive psycho-logical pressure on men and often lead to fighting within relationships. Then you have our Catholic guilt mentality which sees lust and sex put into the same bracket as paedophilia, getting some under the sheets with the lights turned off would be lucky in this country. Our women are about as liberal as GWB in this department, every guy likes his 15mins however his 15mins is usually not too often. Obviously it is wrong of me to tar all Irish women with this brush but infairness it does cover alot of them.

jumpguy

Rebelheart wrote: »

Life is possibly if not probably overrated anyway!

Yeah well it's all we got and it's better than nothing.

netwhizkid wrote: »

I stand by what I said, some people think Ireland is some great country, however it is not. I hardly consider us a 1st world country, we have far too many problems for that. Look at our government, our disastrous rip-off healthcare, our farcical infrastructure. Hundreds of thousands of us are crippled by debts that may never be repaid. We compare Ireland to other countries and we simply do not cut it.

If you live in rural Ireland you may as well be living in siberia, your social life usually resolves around a pub maybe 5 miles away and the nightmare of going out then involves waiting for taxis (like 1hr easy) or else dodging the gauntlet that is DUI. Nearly everything is a battle in this country to get done, try dealing with the public service and you will soon have all your hair pulled out. Add to this beautiful country our excellent weather and it takes a fairly heartless person to not get down from time to time.

Then let me come to my second excerpt, Women, in particular Irish women. At young ages of between 17 to 30 in most normal hetro males, finding that girl is a big part of life.

Most girls at this age are happy to string guys along have a little fun and then dump them. Alot of Irish girls are not ready to settle until into their thirties and mid thirties. A lot of Irish men from about 21 off would settle. Then there is the massive unrealistic expectations, women demand that you be in a good job, with a nice (massive) house which you own because renting is wasted money.

These sort of demands put massive psycho-logical pressure on me and often lead to fighting within relationships. Then you have our Catholic guilt mentality which sees lust and sex but into the same bracket as paedophilia, getting some under the sheets with the lights turned off would be lucky in this country. Our women are about as liberal as GWB in this department, every guy likes his 15mins however his 15mins is usually not too often. Obviously it is wrong of me to tar all Irish women with this brush but infairness it does cover alot of them.

We are a first world country - although we have governmental problems such as expense scandals, so does England. Our health care is poor in comparison to other countries, but at the end of the day, most people who are ill are treated in hospitals. Our infrastructure is good in the East, and has improved alot in the West after the Celtic Tiger. You could compare the same with North and South Italy, is Italy not a first world country?

That's abit dramatic - it's nothing like living in Siberia. In Siberia, you're local access to anything is probably a 5 hour jet ride away.
However I agree with alot of your points - there isn't much to do, but that's rural life. Some people like that simple, quiet life though. There's no market for such entertainment in the country. That's capitalism, not Ireland. If you don't like that, move to a town or city (not saying that in an aggressive way).

Yeah, women. I can't really comment because I only have experience with Irish women. With all due respect, I think you may be talking of some frustration in your life.



In summary, I'm not a massive lover of Ireland either. I wouldn't mind moving. That said, it's not exactly unbearable either. I don't like the drink culture, and the rural setting myself, and the many social stigmas Irish people have. We have crappy weather and we've got alot of problems, socially, politically, and now economically etc. But it is a first world country.

liah

netwhizkid wrote: »

Most girls at this age are happy to string guys along have a little fun and then dump them. Alot of Irish girls are not ready to settle until into their thirties and mid thirties. A lot of Irish men from about 21 off would settle. Then there is the massive unrealistic expectations, women demand that you be in a good job, with a nice (massive) house which you own because renting is wasted money.

These sort of demands put massive psycho-logical pressure on me and often lead to fighting within relationships. Then you have our Catholic guilt mentality which sees lust and sex but into the same bracket as paedophilia, getting some under the sheets with the lights turned off would be lucky in this country. Our women are about as liberal as GWB in this department, every guy likes his 15mins however his 15mins is usually not too often. Obviously it is wrong of me to tar all Irish women with this brush but infairness it does cover alot of them.

You really must've got screwed over by a girl because this isn't the first thing along these lines I've seen you post that's that venomous towards Irish women. As I said before, the EXACT same thing could be said about men, particularly the parts I've bolded.

They're definitely not all like that, I wouldn't even say the majority are. You've just had a bad apple or two. And yeah, it is wrong of you to tar them all with the same brush.

As for the rest of the stuff, try looking at the little things in your day-to-day life. And at least you have health care.

Agent J

To be honest i dont trust the CSO stats on this one.

How many cases of Open verdicts returned from the coroner in the same time period?

Im not saying all are suicides at all but there is still a stigma attached so officially if there is anyway around declaring it a suicide officals tend to err on the side of caution.

Good quote i came accross about suicide once.

"Permanent solution to a temporary problem"

deadhead13

In Scotland, a country that traditionally has had a very high suicide rate, a national strategy and action plan to prevent suicide was launched in 2002. Student doctors, nurses, social workers..etc undergo Applied Suicide Intervention Training which is intended as suicide first-aid training. To date 900,000 people have recieved this training. There has been a 42% reduction in male sucide in Scotland since 2000. While there are other factors to consider in explaining the fall, a proactive programme of early prevention and intervention does work.

Whereas in Ireland a plan was launched that was meant to be adopted as formal HSE national policy for mental health provision called "A vision of Change". 3 years later, it is sitting on a shelf someplace. A couple of politicians will trot out the same old sound bites over the next few days, but no extra funding will be given to suicide prevention and services in the december budget and nothing will change...well no, thats not strictly true... the suicide rate will most likely continue to rise.

omahaid

Dont worry everyone, we have Gay Byrne to tell us "Slow down boys". Who says "Dont kill yourself boys"? Who says "Someone cares boys"? No one does. Its not popular to save boys, only blame them.

amacachi

Agent J wrote: »

To be honest i dont trust the CSO stats on this one.

How many cases of Open verdicts returned from the coroner in the same time period?

If you can find the last thread on this forum about suicide there was a link to the official stats county-by-county and in one year Leitrim had no suicides but the years either side had around 10-12. I wonder if there was a change in who was presiding over inquests. The official stats are the lowest number of suicides there could be, God only knows how much higher it is.

How apt this thread was started tonight.

mega man

doesnt suprise me.

a man without a job is useless.

put the irish weather on top of that and the fcuking politicians...

amacachi

deadhead13 wrote: »

In Scotland, a country that traditionally has had a very high suicide rate, a national strategy and action plan to prevent suicide was launched in 2002. Student doctors, nurses, social workers..etc undergo Applied Suicide Intervention Training which is intended as suicide first-aid training. To date 900,000 people have recieved this training. There has been a 42% reduction in male sucide in Scotland since 2000. While there are other factors to consider in explaining the fall, a proactive programme of early prevention and intervention does work.

Whereas in Ireland a plan was launched that was meant to be adopted as formal HSE national policy for mental health provision called "A vision of Change". 3 years later, it is sitting on a shelf someplace. A couple of politicians will trot out the same old sound bites over the next few days, but no extra funding will be given to suicide prevention and services in the december budget and nothing will change...well no, thats not strictly true... the suicide rate will most likely continue to rise.

**** that, let's just have more money funnelled into warning everyone that if you get in to a car with a young male driver then you will die.

Bob_Harris

mega man wrote: »

a man without a job is useless.

**** you, you're useless.

baileyjackson

this doesn't surprise me.

in my house there are 3 people [1m2f] on antidepressants,
of the 2 go to counselling.

Things are just bad, its the boredom thats getting to people.

Just hold on, i find it sad because suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem,

kippy

1. To those of us who don't rate the country we live in, move elsewhere, see what its like there. Almost everywhere has its negatives, most of which you only ever see when you actually live there for a long spell. I wont go into it in further detail as others have done it already, but this country aint that bad if you can voice the opinion that its a ****hole in the firstplace to a global audience from the comfort of your own home. People don't realise how bad things can actually be and perhaps this is part of the issue. Unrealistic expectations and not being able to deal with them.

2. The recent slowdown in the economy/jobs etc/ isnt really the MAIN cause of suicides.

3. As mentioned the statistics in this have been skewed for years.

4. There are a number of factors in suicide. Mental illness is one of the main ones and there can be a number of trigger factors also.

5. Having said all of the above, I do believe the attitude change to suicide in this country HAS NOT been a good thing overall, especially among younger people. Bebo, facebook, text messaging etc have lead to a number of things. Real time publishing of feelings and intent by the person who commits the act, often times leaving behind a lot of people with some possible guilt for what happened and more importantly, a kind of "shrine" or public area such as bebo or facebook where the person who committed the act gets condolences from their friends etc - somewhat glamorizing the act and perhaps giving those that are near the edge ideas that if they do this they will at least get some attention. Years ago, it looked down on shamefully and not talked about at all, while this MAY not be the best option, it certainly had its merits. I personally knew two people who committed suicided in the past five years, both below 20, in secondary school/college with NO worries in the world. Two minor relationship issues possibly which may have been a trigger and some possible mental illness as well, but you would never know they had mental problems until it was too late. How would one have approached the subjects with them in the weeks leading upto the acts that would have changed things? Hindsight as ever is 20/20 but without them asking for help, what was one to do?

6. We still dont know a hell of a lot about mental illness and how to treat it, let alone spot it and do something about it without being called busy bodies etc and this is surely an issue, but deep down, personally, I do believe there is and has been an attitude change, and not for the better amount younger people. Perhaps the value of life has been lost somewhat but things are definitely bad and wont get any better without some kind of study/intervention. We spend millions on far less important issues, this issue has the potential to hit anyone at any time.

7. While mental illness may be a factor people need to realise that life is going to throw some crap at you, you need to learn and be taught how to deal with it. Perhaps we've taught our kids too much goody goody stuff and when the real " often times minor" crap hits the fan they cant deal with it. Then again I could be completely wrong.

All of the above is my own personal experience and apologies for sweeping generalisations. As I said, I knew two people personally and know of another 5 within the same age bracket who have committed the act in the past 5 years. Depression is also an issue I am somewhat familiar with, but dont think all our woes can be blamed upon that, there has to be other factors at work and if it depression is the issue, it needs to be figured out why it is on the rise amoung young people and what causes it. I realise chemical imbalances usually get the hit for it, however I firmly believe there are trigger events and how to deal with these is key to irradicating the issue.

My name is URL

Look at the results of this poll, it just goes to show the seriousness of the problem here.. even if there's a margin of error =o

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59986427

TheZohanS

mega man wrote: »

doesnt suprise me.

a man without a job is useless.

put the irish weather on top of that and the fcuking politicians...

Banned for trolling.

People can lose their job through no fault of their own, it does not make anyone useless.

Bob_Harris wrote: »

**** you, you're useless.

Banned for personal abuse.

Mr Benevolent

its the boredom thats getting to people

Funny enough this is probably close to the truth. Boredom means overthinking, overthinking can lead to skewed ideas, skewed ideas can lead to depression/mental illness and perhaps people lose perspective and killing themselves.

Let's be blunt here, the internet may well be to blame for some of this. The internet is now seen as the font of all knowledge and the medium for interacting with virtual strangers, like we all are to each other. About the only thing we have in common is that we're mostly Irish and have an internet connection. I frequent the Motors forum, so I have something in common with most of the guys in there, I'm sure you all have your favourite forum too. Plenty of people have very few friends except on the internet, and it's just not an acceptable substitution IMO. Facebook and Bebo are the very opposite of socialisation.

I'm currently in Brisbane, I know no-one except my girlfriend and have $150 to my name. The people in our apartment are frankly not communicative and my girlfriend works long hours. I've been here nearly 2 months and can't find a job (only got my first interview a few days ago and no word back yet), so I spend most of my time on the internet looking for one. It's a downward spiral. At least in Ireland I could go for a walk with a friend, talk to my brother, whatever.

Eventually I'm either going to get very depressed or head back to Ireland on my own. Frankly I'd prefer to go home if things get that bad, at least there I'd havemy family, the dole, a better chance of getting a job and do a few nixers here and there (when I'm working, that is).

So yes, I can see why people might get very depressed in various situations. Yes, my situation is of my own making and I know how to get out of it, but the point holds.

K4t

Dudess wrote: »

Oh yeah, people in their comfortable homes, with **** all to worry about, who ramble about Ireland being a "banana republic" etc are just talking sh1t.

Why?

Call Me Jimmy

baileyjackson wrote: »

Just hold on, i find it sad because suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem,

I know I've said this before but, why does everyone assume the problem is temporary?

Ste.phen

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I know I've said this before but, why does everyone assume the problem is temporary?

Because the perception from a third party is that there are no problems that can't be fixed SOMEHOW. Even drastic change is better than giving up entirely.

It's obviously not so black and white for the person in question, but they're not the one making the statement I guess.

pickarooney

TheZohan wrote: »

Banned for trolling.

Care to explain why you judge that post to be trolling? Maybe you have extra information but on the face of it there's nothing remotely wrong with the post.

TheZohanS

pickarooney wrote: »

Care to explain why you judge that post to be trolling? Maybe you have extra information but on the face of it there's nothing remotely wrong with the post.

I banned him because of the Charter Rule:

Making the natives restless

General trolling, a lot of people have lost their jobs, they are not useless.

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And above is why I am banning you.

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