Are the garda implementing the points for driving with no NCT?

Scruff · 29-10-2009 10:51am #1

If NCT is out of date and dont have a confirmed booking are they awarding the ludicrous 5 points? Are they awarding the points if out of date and you do have a confirmed booking?

Seth Brundle · 29-10-2009 10:59am

It will depend on who stops you I guess. The offence is for having no NCT, not for haveing no NCT but with a provisional booking!

Tipsy Mac · 29-10-2009 11:11am

Id make sure your tyres are road legal and all lights are working, otherwise they should give you every penalty point they can.

Seth Brundle · 29-10-2009 11:21am

...except for the fact that 'they' can only do you for one offence

Q. What happens if I am stopped and a number of penalty point offences are detected?

Will I receive penalty points for each one? No. Using the scenario from the previous answer it should be borne in mind that the same driver in that scenario could have committed a speeding offence also and have been uninsured. The no-insurance offence is not a fixed charge offence so if convicted in court for driving without insurance and 5 penalty points are imposed then that being the highest number of penalty points attaching to any of the multiple offences involved would be the total number of penalty points endorsed on that drivers licence record on this occasion. The fixed charge for every individual offence, or a fine in court for every individual convicted offence, would apply however.

http://www.penaltypoints.ie/faq.php

29-10-2009 11:27am

kbannon wrote: »

...except for the fact that 'they' can only do you for one offence

http://www.penaltypoints.ie/faq.php

I reckon you are not 100% correct there, if you are stopped and are charged with 2 offences one being 2 points and the other being 1 point you only receive 2 points.

However if you are stopped and are done for 2 two pointers you can receive 4. That's my understanding, I may be wrong.

Seth Brundle · 29-10-2009 11:30am

you can be done for all offences but receive points for only one of them to my knowledge

Fey! · 29-10-2009 11:30am

Considering that the NCT wait is down to 9 days (I booked a car on Monday, October 19th, and had the test last night), there should be very few around with no NCT or panicing because of it.

rebel.ranter · 29-10-2009 11:54am

Any Garda I know say that they will look athe NCT disc if the car looks a bit ropey.
Generally they will let it slide if you have a booking & the car appears to be in reasonable order, it is not the decree from the top though. If there are other issues when you are stopped then they will make a big deal of it.

Scruff · 29-10-2009 12:28pm

Fey! wrote: »

Considering that the NCT wait is down to 9 days (I booked a car on Monday, October 19th, and had the test last night), there should be very few around with no NCT or panicing because of it.

Bah. Going to change the car in the new year and was hoping the wait time would get me there. Dont want to have to spend money on it if needs a lot of work just to hold onto it for a couple of months. Not that its a rust bucket, it got new front tires, brake pads and disc this year.

CountingCrows · 29-10-2009 1:41pm

Scruff wrote: »

Bah. Going to change the car in the new year and was hoping the wait time would get me there. Dont want to have to spend money on it if needs a lot of work just to hold onto it for a couple of months. Not that its a rust bucket, it got new front tires, brake pads and disc this year.

So why don't you get a booking date in December so you can carry it about, then cancel it giving the minimum notice.

Zube · 29-10-2009 4:34pm

Scruff wrote: »

Bah. Going to change the car in the new year and was hoping the wait time would get me there.

Very hard to get rid of any car without an NCT in the current climate, I'd have thought.

Nozebleed · 29-10-2009 4:44pm

sorry for asking this, i dont mean to hijack the thread...just wondering if you get penalty points for driving in the bus lane? a friend of mine got caught yesterday...€80 fine but not sure bout points.

Scruff · 29-10-2009 4:57pm

Zube wrote: »

Very hard to get rid of any car without an NCT in the current climate, I'd have thought.

it'll be 11 years old next year so would be hard to get rid of regardless unless there is a scrapage scheme!

stevie.enright · 29-10-2009 11:08pm

CountingCrows wrote: »

So why don't you get a booking date in December so you can carry it about, then cancel it giving the minimum notice.

Out of curiosity is it possible to keep booking a NCT and cancelling it without paying a surcharge when you do finally take it, assuming you cancel in time each time? A car I bought some time back and is out of NCT since May 2008, Car is verified to be roadworthy by my mechanic but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay the NCT fee for the sake of a few months.

Outkast_IRE · 29-10-2009 11:15pm

Fey! wrote: »

Considering that the NCT wait is down to 9 days (I booked a car on Monday, October 19th, and had the test last night), there should be very few around with no NCT or panicing because of it.

That depends on where your booking i booked in september to get a date in mid november it was the only date in midnovember that or late december :eek:

Hooch · 30-10-2009 1:13am

kbannon wrote: »

you can be done for all offences but receive points for only one of them to my knowledge

Correct, you can be prosecuted (we dont do anyone....except the wives and honeys:D) for all offences, but you can only get penalty points for one offence. So lets say your speeding, while on the phone and overtaking on hatch markings.....you will only get 2 points but will get three fines of €80, 60 and 80.

On the NCT if you are prosecuted for no NCT it is a court appearance. On conviction the 5 points are added. The Garda or Judge have no descression in this regard. They are mandatory.

TestTransmission · 30-10-2009 1:23am

Theres a car parked in my apartment block (being used by a tenant I assume) which has insurance going until june 2010 however,it has no tax since march 2009 or nct since 2007!

How can people get away with driving these cars?

Hooch · 30-10-2009 1:34am

jackncoke wrote: »

Theres a car parked in my apartment block (being used by a tenant I assume) which has insurance going until june 2010 however,it has no tax since march 2009 or nct since 2007!

How can people get away with driving these cars?

Report them!!!!!

You last sentence should have answered the question jack!!

30-10-2009 10:46am

stevie.enright wrote: »

Out of curiosity is it possible to keep booking a NCT and cancelling it without paying a surcharge when you do finally take it, assuming you cancel in time each time? A car I bought some time back and is out of NCT since May 2008, Car is verified to be roadworthy by my mechanic but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay the NCT fee for the sake of a few months.

It's possible to keep doing that, however if you're stopped and the the disc is out that long and your insurance disk shows that you have the car on the road for considerable months a shrewd / vigilant Guard may well twig that you have a test booked next month but the car has been on the road for the last six. If it's due in May you can do it 3 months early. Worth a try but potentially risky.

Henry Ford III · 30-10-2009 11:00am

RoverJames wrote: »

It's possible to keep doing that, however if you're stopped and the the disc is out that long and your insurance disk shows that you have the car on the road for considerable months a shrewd / vigilant Guard may well twig that you have a test booked next month but the car has been on the road for the last six. If it's due in May you can do it 3 months early. Worth a try but potentially risky.

Wouldn't it be easier take the NCT instead of trying to act the mick?

Seth Brundle · 30-10-2009 12:43pm

nice guy always wrote: »

we dont do anyone....except the wives and honeys:D

Ha Ha - its nice to know that AGS members have a good imagination

antodeco · 30-10-2009 2:04pm

My mini was in for its NCT a month ago. Failed on a few things. Got them fixed, except one, so skipping this NCT. Means I will need to do a full NCT next time. Was stopped last night, Garda just waved me on. Car is well looked after, just the usual problems 20 year old cars have!

Gary ITR · 30-10-2009 2:16pm

jackncoke wrote: »

Theres a car parked in my apartment block (being used by a tenant I assume) which has insurance going until june 2010 however,it has no tax since march 2009 or nct since 2007!

How can people get away with driving these cars?

nice guy always wrote: »

Report them!!!!!

You last sentence should have answered the question jack!!

Before you report him are you sure the car is being used? I had a car in a private car park which was insured in case of fire/theft etc but the tax was way out. It was my girlfriends car and she then got a company car so her car went unused till we decided to sell it a good few months later

stevie.enright · 30-10-2009 10:17pm

nice guy always wrote: »

Report them!!!!!

You last sentence should have answered the question jack!!

Do ye guys have anything better to do such as catching proper criminals perhaps or would that be too much like real work and put ye out? Note also that jackncoke never mentioned that the car was on the road for definate. If the car is parked up in private property (which neither of us know) why should the owner be reported could you answer me?

31-10-2009 3:28am

stevie.enright wrote: »

Do ye guys have anything better to do such as catching proper criminals perhaps or would that be too much like real work and put ye out? Note also that jackncoke never mentioned that the car was on the road for definate. If the car is parked up in private property (which neither of us know) why should the owner be reported could you answer me?

From the sounds of your comment I get the impression that you think folks posting on this thread are Gardai

Also if the car is parked on private property why would he ask can he keep booking an NCT and cancel it repeatedly, there is no doubt the car is on the road.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Wouldn't it be easier take the NCT instead of trying to act the mick?

Most definitely, keep in mind that I was answering a specific question and did mention that it was risky

. I wouldn't do it myself.

Esel · 31-10-2009 3:52am

RoverJames wrote: »

From the sounds of your comment I get the impression that you think folks posting on this thread are Gardai

Confused? As to whether or not nice guy always is a member in good standing? Pay attention!

31-10-2009 4:05am

esel wrote: »

Confused? As to whether or not nice guy always is a member in good standing? Pay attention!

Ah yes, I hadn't read some of the posts above, weird way to speak to a Garda on a forum really. You'd want to be all taxed, NCTd and insured

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 10:22am

RoverJames wrote: »

From the sounds of your comment I get the impression that you think folks posting on this thread are Gardai Also if the car is parked on private property why would he ask can he keep booking an NCT and cancel it repeatedly, there is no doubt the car is on the road.

May I suggest that you read the thread properly RoverJames before posting.

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 10:24am

RoverJames wrote: »

Ah yes, I hadn't read some of the posts above, weird way to speak to a Garda on a forum really.

I do not hold the Gardai in very high regard RoverJames for reasons which are irrelevant to and which I will not go into in this thread.

antodeco · 31-10-2009 11:14am

stevie.enright wrote: »

I do not hold the Gardai in very high regard RoverJames for reasons which are irrelevant to and which I will not go into in this thread.

Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, that doesnt mean you should refute someone elses desire to report possible illegal activities (or at least understanding of what could be entailed to be illegal activites)

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 11:26am

antodeco wrote: »

Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, that doesnt mean you should refute someone elses desire to report possible illegal activities (or at least understanding of what could be entailed to be illegal activites)

Fair enough antodeco but jackncoke should not have being initially directed to automatically report somebody like he/she was. While there is a possibilty nobody knows for sure if the other tenant was breaking the law or not. Its lousy trigger happy advice if you ask me

galwaytt · 31-10-2009 12:59pm

jackncoke wrote: »

Theres a car parked in my apartment block (being used by a tenant I assume) which has insurance going until june 2010 however,it has no tax since march 2009 or nct since 2007!

How can people get away with driving these cars?

First of all - it does not have to be taxed to be parked, unless on a public road. Insurance and tax are not related. My Mazda is NCT'd, insured, but not taxed. There again, I'm not using it, so I don't have to. It is a good idea to keep your car insured, even in non-use, in the event of a claim - it can still get stolen and can still burn.

Even car parks like shopping centres do not require tax, but they do require insurance. It has been deemed by the courts that where such areas have common access to the public, insurance is still required for liability reasons. Fair enough. But, being private property, road tax is not required.

antodeco wrote: »

Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, that doesnt mean you should refute someone elses desire to report possible illegal activities (or at least understanding of what could be entailed to be illegal activites)

Yes, you're right, but where did (Jack) state he 'desired' to report ? What he actually asked, was, 'How can people get away with driving these cars? '

Finally, jack, on your post: it is entirely possible that the owner insured the car in 09 (more then likely, June 09, for 12 months....), and taxed it up to March 09). March duly came and went, tax expired. What has that go to do with the expiry date of the insurance ? Nothing, becuase it's irrelevant to tax - they do not coincide, nor is there a need to.

Gary ITR · 31-10-2009 1:08pm

stevie.enright wrote: »

I do not hold the Gardai in very high regard RoverJames for reasons which are irrelevant to and which I will not go into in this thread.

And if you would like to keep posting here you better reign in your attitude. Nice Guy Always has made no secret of the fact that he is a member of the Traffic Corps so it actually is his job to chase up traffic offences.

Hooch · 31-10-2009 2:37pm

stevie.enright wrote: »

Do ye guys have anything better to do such as catching proper criminals perhaps or would that be too much like real work and put ye out? Note also that jackncoke never mentioned that the car was on the road for definate. If the car is parked up in private property (which neither of us know) why should the owner be reported could you answer me?

Hold on......how can you say I dont?? Do major ciminals not use the roads??

So in short no I dont have anything "better" to do. Im employed by the Dept of justice and appointed to a Divisional Traffic Corps. My job is to reduce the incidence of serious and fatal traffic collisions and to reduce, detect and prosecute breaches of the road traffic act as well......and of course all the other offences that may present themselves.

And how can jackncoke get real answered here.....reporting it to the local station will allow meembers to check if it is in a public place......in which case they can prosecute.

stevie.enright wrote: »

I do not hold the Gardai in very high regard RoverJames for reasons which are irrelevant to and which I will not go into in this thread.

Im sure the feel is mutual......

stevie.enright wrote: »

Fair enough antodeco but jackncoke should not have being initially directed to automatically report somebody like he/she was. While there is a possibilty nobody knows for sure if the other tenant was breaking the law or not. Its lousy trigger happy advice if you ask me

Suprisingly enough this is the first time anyone has ever said i've given lousy trigger happy advice.......if anyone agrees i'd love for them to point it out, Thanks

I serious think you need to remove that chip and relax abit. If you cant post like an adult in a mature manner with facts, then dont post on an adult forum.

Hooch · 31-10-2009 2:57pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Even car parks like shopping centres do not require tax, but they do require insurance. It has been deemed by the courts that where such areas have common access to the public, insurance is still required for liability reasons. Fair enough. But, being private property, road tax is not required.

An MPV parked in a public place needs to have Tax displayed.

Public place is defined as follows in the Road Traffic Act 1961

Irish Statute Book wrote:

"public place" means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 6:56pm

Onkle wrote: »

And if you would like to keep posting here you better reign in your attitude. Nice Guy Always has made no secret of the fact that he is a member of the Traffic Corps so it actually is his job to chase up traffic offences.

Ok, and does Nice Guy Always job entail giving bad advice to members of the public on boards.ie?

TheNog · 31-10-2009 7:12pm

stevie.enright wrote: »

Ok, and does Nice Guy Always job entail giving bad advice to members of the public on boards.ie?

Can you show us where this bad advice is? I have read the thread and he didnt make any mistake.

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 7:29pm

nice guy always wrote: »

Hold on......how can you say I dont?? Do major ciminals not use the roads??

Yes they do but are only done for revenue generating motoring offences to a large degree on the roads

nice guy always wrote: »

So in short no I dont have anything "better" to do.

You said it my friend...

nice guy always wrote: »

Im employed by the Dept of justice and appointed to a Divisional Traffic Corps. My job is to reduce the incidence of serious and fatal traffic collisions and to reduce, detect and prosecute breaches of the road traffic act as well......and of course all the other offences that may present themselves..

Do the Garda Traffic Corps really fulfill this function though I genuinely ask you? I am all too sick to the teeth of seeing the Traffic Corps pulling for insignificant minor offences that do not endanger road users. Such as pulling people on moving into hatched sections when coming up to a cross if traffic is not moving in either direction. I know this is an offence too but from my experience on the roads the Traffic Corps do not have their priorities right and are concentrating too much on these mundance offences. Other more dangerous offences such as detecting wreckless speeding in known black spots or dangerous lane swapping in fast dual carriageways don't seem to be policed properly at all if you ask me.

nice guy always wrote: »

And how can jackncoke get real answered here.....reporting it to the local station will allow meembers to check if it is in a public place......in which case they can prosecute.

The alternative being sorting out real crime as oppossed to investigating something that may (or may not) be a small insignificant offence in the scheme of things such as having a car parked in a public place with no valid motor tax or nct displayed. If you were to give advice here would the best advice to jackncoke be to try to ascertain id the car is parked on a public place first and then report it, with the added possibilty that it may cause unrest between him/ her and their neighbours. I'm sure you would not like to see the Gardai's limited time and resources wasted either?

nice guy always wrote: »

Im sure the feel is mutual.......

Surprised?

nice guy always wrote: »

Suprisingly enough this is the first time anyone has ever said i've given lousy trigger happy advice.......if anyone agrees i'd love for them to point it out, Thanks

I serious think you need to remove that chip and relax abit. If you cant post like an adult in a mature manner with facts, then dont post on an adult forum.

I'm most very relaxed my friend and think that you are the one nursing a chip on your shoulder. Never being accused of acting in a immature manner before on boards or by my real world friends for that matter. As I suggested before would it not be better idea for you to post sound correct advise as oppossed to posting on a forum at all?

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 7:34pm

TheNog please see below for where bad advice was given

nice guy always wrote: »

Report them!!!!!

You last sentence should have answered the question jack!!

31-10-2009 8:23pm

stevie.enright wrote: »

May I suggest that you read the thread properly RoverJames before posting.

I reckon before you post you'd want to have a serious think about what you are posting. I'll keep your advice in mind though, cheers

Gary ITR · 31-10-2009 8:29pm

stevie.enright wrote: »

Ok, and does Nice Guy Always job entail giving bad advice to members of the public on boards.ie?

That wasn't bad advice. You clearly have an issue with the Gardai but you aren't going to use this forum as a platform to air your attacks.

Now if you want to discuss the topic from the OP go ahead. If not please refrain from posting in this thread. If you have any issues with this feel free to PM me.

TheNog · 31-10-2009 8:32pm

stevie.enright wrote: »

TheNog please see below for where bad advice was given

There is no bad advice there.

stevie.enright · 31-10-2009 9:06pm

Onkle wrote: »

That wasn't bad advice.

TheNog wrote: »

There is no bad advice there.

I'll agree to differ with both of yer opinions on this one lads.

Are the garda implementing the points for driving with no NCT?

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